The h Bar

user228700

10:00 AM

@JohnRennie Oh, really? Hmm, okay, what dyou guys eat for breakfast, lunch and dinner? (And I mean normal people who include vegetables in their diet -__-)

John Rennie

Some people have dinner around 8 p.m. while others have their meal immediately after work around 5 p.m. The earlier meal is often described as tea.

user228700

Oh, wtf, five? How do they not feel hungry later on?

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H Don't know.

Personally I eat a big lunch around 3 p.m. then I don't eat again apart from maybe some fruit or other snack.

user228700

No dinner?!?!

user228700

Wow, that's impressive.

John Rennie

10:02 AM

I eat so much for lunch that it takes me until the next morning to feel hungry again.

Slereah

What kind of weirdo stars a paper on wavefront sets

user228700

@JohnRennie x'D Omg, I see.

John Rennie

The meals that you've posted pictures of would just be a starter for me :-)

But I eat around the usual 2,500 Calories per day. I just eat it in one big meal instead of spreading it out over several meals.

user228700

Ah, I see :-) Hey, when does it start snowing over there? (On a hiatus from studying for a bit, (just today lol :-P) and am very curious to know)

Slereah

>2,500 Calories per day.

You'll never make it

John Rennie

10:06 AM

@Kaumudi.H It depends where you are in the UK. The city I live in, Chester, is very close to the Atlantic coast so it's warmed by the sea and it hardly ever snows here. In the north of Scotland or in high areas like the Peak District it has already snowed.

In general England doesn't get a lot of snow. In winter the average temperature usually stays slightly above zero.

Slereah

Same here

Then again I'm basically next to England

John Rennie

@Slereah in La Belle France?

Slereah

Right next to the channel!

user228700

Oh man, it doesn't snow? Okay. I've never been to a place where it snows :-( Is it truly beautiful and magical and u know...everything?

Slereah

I could be in Dunkerk in like 30 minutes

John Rennie

10:08 AM

When you're a child snow is just great. When you're middle aged it's just a pain.

user228700

I see...dang it.

John Rennie

I live about half an hours drive from the Welsh hills and it's nice to go walking there in the snow. But that's when I can come home after I've got bored with snow :-)

When it snows in Chester the snow gets trodden into half melted slush and mixed up with dirt from the roads. So it's dirty and wet and generally a pain.

user228700

Man, you have gots to quit bragging! You know what's half an hour (well, depends on the traffic) away from my house?

John Rennie

Well Chester is a lot smaller than Chennai.

user228700

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooum_River

John Rennie

10:12 AM

My brother lives in London, and half an hour just takes him to ... more London.

user228700

:-P

user116211

Well, irony, one can say, it's cloudy here with forecast of drizzle; it's chilly too; no sun.

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H That doesn't sound the sort of river you'd want to go swimming in ...

user228700

> "The river is narrow, placid, slow and meandering. The river is primarily fed by discharge from tank and water bodies and has seen a steady drop in freshwater over the years, a primary reason for its present-day condition."

user228700

> "This has, eventually, made the river, in its 18-km-long stretch in the central district, a stinking cesspool."

Slereah

10:13 AM

I'm not sure being near the country is a bragging things

Only people who don't live in the country really think the country is nice

user228700

@JohnRennie Exactly!

John Rennie

This is our river. The river Dee.

user228700

@Slereah Yeah, I was wondering about that. Why, tho?

John Rennie

But you wouldn't want to swim in it because it's flipping cold!

user116211

@JohnRennie It's looking the classic Medieval river! Any one will fall in love with it.

Slereah

10:14 AM

The grass is always greener etc

user228700

@JohnRennie: Chester can be classified as "country"?

Slereah

I wouldn't mind living in the country but it's mostly because I never leave my house and I hate people

user116211

@Slereah huh!

Slereah

Living in the city is a pretty noisy mess

I'm right next to a university

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H Chester is a market town.

Slereah

10:16 AM

Those fucks wake me up at 4 AM

user116211

@Slereah WTH ;/

Slereah

not to mention the many sirens

John Rennie

It's not country but it's only five miles from edge to edge so the country is a few minutes drive away.

user116211

You should file a complaint.

user228700

@JohnRennie Okay. So do you ever get tired of...just, too much nature?

Slereah

10:18 AM

It's a university, what can I do

There's a neverending supply of young people

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H I grew up in a tiny village in the country called Wookey Hole. It's great when you're a child, but when you get to your late teens it suddenly dawns on you that there's absolutely nothing to do.

user116211

@JohnRennie Sounds thrilling.

John Rennie

For anything interesting you have to go 20 miles to the nearest big cities like Bath or Bristol, and there are no buses in the evening. So if you don't drive you're stuck.

user116211

English city/town names are friggin' awesome.

Slereah

Or you WALK

Lazy youth

John Rennie

10:20 AM

@Slereah 20 miles?

user228700

Omg, that place looks so so beautiful! :'-)

user228700

(Yeah, I need to go places after these friggin' exams!)

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H it's great if you're a child or a pensioner. It's rubbish for anyone in between.

user228700

But of course, yes, the "there's nothing to do" thing can definitely get annoying, I guess.

Slereah

@JohnRennie Barely two days of walk!

user228700

10:22 AM

I go here for my summer vacations...well, used to:

user228700

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelakkara

John Rennie

And you need to be a rich pensioner because there are no buses and taxis fares are appallingly high. £15 for a round trip to the nearest town, Wells, which is 1.5 miles away.

user116211

@Slereah Can you? I remember a German WW2 soldier walking all across the Siberia. Horror.

user228700

And I would be done within 2 days. Going from the city to stay in a place like that for two months is paralyzing, to say the least. Well, it used to be amazing when I was smaller and there were a lot more trees to climb...

Slereah

I don't think the english countryside is like Siberia

John Rennie

10:24 AM

@Kaumudi.H Exactly. When you're a child it's great.

user116211

@Slereah yes, point.

Slereah

My thesis advisor was from Russia

maybe he would know

user116211

Siberia is a killer frost.

user228700

@JohnRennie I imagine u spent all that time studying so u could go to Cambridge eh? :-P

Slereah

I hear it is quite chilly

user116211

10:26 AM

indeed

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H there was nothing else to do! :-)

Slereah

he just read the ingredients on his toothpaste every day

He had nothing else to read

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H maybe you should go to Chelakkara to revise :-)

user228700

Say, this place Wookey hole, has it been featured in famous books? I feel like I've heard the name before...

user116211

He played lots of games too and used punch cards, he mentioned earlier.

user228700

10:29 AM

@JohnRennie God, no. I feel like dying when I go there.

user228700

@MAFIA36790 Punch cards?

Slereah

Maybe you heard it in Star Wars

The Wookie hole

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H It's a popular tourist destination because there's a large and spectacular cave there. Various TV series have filmed in the cave. There was a Doctor Who episode filmed there. Maybe you're thinking of that.

@Slereah that's a bit below the belt

Doctor Who in Wookey Hole

user228700

@JohnRennie Ohh, I see! Yeah, maybe...

user228700

Omg, what? That cave, wow...

John Rennie

10:32 AM

I spent a summer working as a guide taking tours round the caves.

user116211

@JohnRennie, guess what...

user116211

I got the Elementary Hat!

John Rennie

@MAFIA36790 Cool :-)

user116211

:)

user116211

I will now find Napoleon of Crime ;)

user228700

10:33 AM

@JohnRennie What, really?!

user228700

How did u get to do s'thing like that?!

user116211

@JohnRennie JohnR, the more I hear about you, the more I'm becoming a fan; you should write a book on your adventures.

Kenshin

helloo

user228700

@MAFIA36790 Ikr?! @JohnRennie: God, u're cool.

Slereah

what a bunch of dorks

user228700

10:35 AM

Heyya @Kenshin :-)

John Rennie

Lot's of people worked as guides in the caves. It isn't any great claim to fame. The pay was rubbish and after the first few days it was pretty boring!

Slereah

well you are just guiding a bunch of rocks

not very thrilling

John Rennie

They used to get students to do it the holidays because we were desperate for money and would do anything

user116211

@Slereah, did you do anything thrilling?

user228700

@JohnRennie Ah, I see.

Slereah

10:37 AM

I once blew up a washing machine with friends

3

It was quite thrilling

John Rennie

You have explosive friends?

user228700

How did u do it?

user228700

@JohnRennie No. Stop. Please.

user116211

@Slereah O.o

Slereah

No, but they had explosives in their possession

user116211

10:38 AM

don't tell me you used TNT for that.

Slereah

No

Just flash powder

user116211

good

Slereah

pyrofire.eu/detail.php?product=697

good stuff

Kenshin

TNT sux

John Rennie

Front Load Washer Total Carnage - Washer goes Chain Chomp on me

►

user228700

10:39 AM

@Kenshin: I hope u mean the company.

Kenshin

of course

user228700

:-D

Slereah

"Delova rana´s really produced only in the Czech Republic and always only from fresh chemical compositions!"

To be fair their explosives are kind of shit and some don't work, but the ones that do

hard to find better stuff in western europe

user116211

@Slereah Lumo might use it often.

user116211

BTW, didn't check his blog for long.

user228700

10:41 AM

Hey, @Kenshin: Did u hear? It might arrive today!

noway

Lumo's fine

dats awesom

He's not a crank

He's just a giant dick

user228700

It is! Either today or tomorrow. :-D

user228700

10:43 AM

...probably tomorrow tho. @JohnRennie: It's still sitting at the depot.

Kenshin

does ur family hvae a car @Kaumudi.H

user116211

The Reference Frame has an all new wallpaper!! Lubos is celebrating Christmas!!

user116211

And again, that commie Bohm's exorcism ;/

user228700

@Kenshin Yep, a black santro.

Slereah

"Both the pilot wave theory and the many worlds are irrational and both of them ultimately contradict important and well-established facts about the physical world. Both of them are motivated by the champions' attachment to "realism" – a euphemism for the observer-independent i.e. classical physics. If I had to choose, I would choose the Bohmists as the much worse physicists among the two. They're in a much deeper denial of modern physics."

Still a grinch though

Kenshin

10:47 AM

cool so u can get the depot

do drive it Kaumu

what age do u get your licence in india

user228700

@Kenshin Sadly, 18.

Kenshin

wow that's old

user116211

> You know, one may divide those confused (and/or bigoted) people's efforts to deviate from quantum mechanics as formulated in Copenhagen into two levels:
Dissatisfaction with the philosophical conceptual "words" that Heisenberg, Bohr, Pauli, Dirac, Wigner, von Neumann, and others have been teaching us
Disagreement with some universal properties of the mathematical formalism of quantum mechanics

user228700

Why would I need to drive tho? I could always go by bus/train.

Kenshin

oh k i idn't know

I hate bus

user116211

10:49 AM

And some political talks, hmm.

user228700

But I don't think that's happening. My parents will ask me to quit jumping around and wait for it. A train ride would be nice tho...

user228700

But "unsafe" for women to go alone. Sigh.

Kenshin

oh that's a shame

user228700

Yeah. Lots of construction workers on the train...kinda scary sometimes.

Kenshin

r construction workers baddies?

user228700

10:52 AM

Sometimes, yeah. I mean, they stare. A lot. So, yeah, that's scary.

John Rennie

@Kenshin violence against women is an issue in some parts of India.

Kenshin

oh that's no good

user116211

@JohnRennie yes, because we are not ruled by commies yet.

Kenshin

what do you mean @MAFIA36790

John Rennie

@MAFIA36790 Last time I looked the UK wasn't ruled by commies and violence against women is relatively rare here.

user116211

10:55 AM

Seriously speaking, it's because they are not aware. I think the crime will be extricated only by means of spreading education.

user116211

There are laws; but do those criminals care?

user228700

It's mostly because of the, um, well, this is me opening a can of worms but just to be clear, the government is only half responsible. It's mostly because in most illiterate families, women are not given an ounce of respect.

Slereah

Get the Queen back in charge of India, I say

user228700

The husband doesn't treat the wife in the proper way, the kids learn from that, etc...

user228700

@Slereah Wasn't any better then. We just had a lot of other issues eclipsing these everyday happenings.

user116211

10:57 AM

@Slereah BTW, did you see Putin not giving a helping hand to the Queen a little while ago? He is just a badass.

Slereah

I believe that is just being rude

Kenshin

why does the Queen need a helping hand?

Slereah

Poor diplomatic skills will not serve him well when he is in trouble

user116211

Putin doesn't need help from anyone.

user116211

He is The Man.

John Rennie

10:59 AM

@MAFIA36790 to be fair, there is a strict rule that you don't touch the Queen.

Not even if you're premier of Russia.

user116211

@JohnRennie Huh!

Slereah

He's leading a corrupt country with poor military

Kenshin

Not even her husband can

Slereah

I'm guessing he might not get his ways at all opportunities

@JohnRennie is it actually enforced

I recall Michelle Obama doing it

Kenshin

What's with the hate against Russia

John Rennie

11:00 AM

I hope I don't get flamed for this, but I think Putin is one of the better leaders around at the moment.

Kenshin

WTF

user116211

@Slereah Well, he promised to end Daesh all by his force.

John Rennie

In pretty much every area where he and the West have disagreed he has been proven right.

Slereah

Promises are cheap

Also domestically he is not very good

John Rennie

@Slereah I don't think that's true.

user116211

11:01 AM

@Slereah We can't know much of the domestic affairs.

Slereah

Can't we

Kenshin

@JohnRennie So do you think Putin is right about Trump too?

user116211

Might be the West Media spices the news up.

user116211

@Kenshin Trump is actually an ordinary Republican, nothing else.

John Rennie

Russia is in a mess as a result of its history. No one man can change that. Putin is trying to keep a lid on things and I think he's doing pretty well. In 50 years Russians will look back on Putin as one of the men who formed modern Russia.

Kenshin

11:02 AM

@MAFIA36790 he's a billionaire and he's unique in many ways

all republicans aren't equal mate

user116211

Putin is also helping the Assad Regime to fight the anti-govt and Daesh forces.

Kenshin

I hope I don't get flamed for this but I think Kim Jong Un is the greatest leader at the moment

user116211

The Fat Kim?

Kenshin

that's not nice

user116211

Yeh, he is the commie left after Castro.

Kenshin

11:04 AM

to judge him by his adipose levle

John Rennie

@MAFIA36790 Look what happened in Syria. The West encouraged the rebels and now we have millions dead or displaced and a fanatical Islamic state that has killed people in the West and in Russia.

Kenshin

@JohnRennie the West needs to encourage the rebels

the West needs power in the middle east because we depend on oil

John Rennie

@Kenshin that's easy for you to say when it's not you or your family doing the dying.

Kenshin

imagine your life without crude oil or natural gas @JohnRennie

user116211

@JohnRennie indeed

Kenshin

11:07 AM

@JohnRennie if we give up oil, western families would die

because our hospital system and transportation system all depend on oil

If there was no transportation, how many days before New York runs out of food and millions die?

John Rennie

There is still loads of oil available. Stirring up a shitstorm in Syria has not affected oil availability in any significant way. The whole episode has been unremittingly bad for everyone.

Kenshin

about 3 days

John Rennie

But this is getting a bit heated for the PSE chat room so I suggest we return to talking about physics.

Kenshin

ok

user116211

#changetopic

Kenshin

11:09 AM

@JohnRennie what is the best alternate source of energy for if we could no longer use crude oil or natural gas

user116211

What's your plan for Christmas @JohnRennie?

John Rennie

@MAFIA36790 I'm driving down to Wookey Hole (!) to visit my mother. She's 84 and doesn't get out much these days so I spend the Christmas holiday with her.

user116211

@JohnRennie so nice :))) I'm a fan.

Kenshin

how sweet

John Rennie

My mother is not a sweet old lady. She is, to use the vernacular, full of piss and vinegar :-) But she enjoys the company.

user228700

11:24 AM

So this place will be relatively empty on the 25th...

Kenshin

yes that day is christmas

we go and visit family then

user228700

Right. Sounds nice :-)

user228700

@JohnRennie: I called them again :-P (Hey, don't judge me, it's my mom's birthday and we gots to go out in the evening)

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H :-) And ?

user228700

This time, the person asked if I knew the name of the person with whom I (well, my dad) had spoken with in the afternoon.

Kenshin

11:32 AM

why does that matter

user228700

Apparently, once we confirm that the money is ready, a mail will be sent to the delivery department and then they will send it.

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H Ah, so it was a good thing you phoned. So I take it you've confirmed the money is ready and waiting?

user228700

Now they didn't tell my father any of this and my father is dozing so I dunno the name of that person so that this person can confirm if the mail was sent but he jotted down my dad's number and told me that he'd give me a call if he receives a reply from the delivery dept.

Kenshin

why ar ethy so disorganised

John should demand his delivery fee back

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H I'm guessing that waking your father up wouldn't be a good move given that he is paying :-)

user228700

11:35 AM

@JohnRennie Yes, this is the 2nd time we've confirmed that the money is ready. Hopefully, the delivery dept. actually sees the mail and they get things going.

user228700

@JohnRennie I think my mom's paying :-P

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H she'll be wanting to use the laptop in return :-)

Kenshin

@JohnRennie why did the flag comment disappear?

user228700

@Kenshin God, Ikr? I wonder if the mail had been sent in the afternoon. Mostly not, since it's still just sitting there.

Kenshin

@JohnRennie she has a laptop already

for work

user228700

11:37 AM

@JohnRennie She has been joking about that :-P

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H should I send another laptop for your mother?

user228700

@Kenshin But it's like...dying. Every second.

user228700

@JohnRennie x'D After all this nonsense? No, thanks!

John Rennie

@Kenshin do you mean the star board? If so I cancelled the stars on the more politically charged posts.

Kenshin

I see

John Rennie

11:38 AM

And will continue to do so.

Politics and chat rooms are a poor mixture

Kenshin

how come, politics can be rational

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H but surely it would be fun to do this all over again? :-)

Kenshin

@JohnRennie can you pls send me headphones as a gift

in particular Bose wireless Noise Cancellation oens if you have them

user228700

@JohnRennie NOPE! :-)

user228700

@JohnRennie: Dang, I've turned u into a hardware store :-P

user116211

11:42 AM

@Kenshin BOSE are bit expensive; but it worths the price.

Kenshin

yeah it's a tough decision

Slereah

Good old Bose

Kenshin

cos it's $500 for the ones I like

John Rennie

I was always a fan of Sennheiser in my youth

Slereah

He made the Bose Einstein statistics

And now he makes headphones

Keep shooting for the stars

Kenshin

11:43 AM

yeah I do want to support the bloke

for al lhis physics contributions

user116211

@Slereah That Bose was a professor of Calcutta and Dhaka University; the headphone guy was an acoustic engineer from Cambridge.

Slereah

I am aware

It was a jest

Kenshin

@MAFIA36790 you ruined the jest ;p

user116211

runs away

user228700

Hey, @Kenshin: What advice would u give to ur 18 year-old self? Just general stuff-maybe two/three lines? @JohnRennie: You?

Kenshin

11:44 AM

@Kaumudi.H probably, just keep doing what you're doing

user228700

Like, u'll tell him "Keep doing what u're doing"? That's not at all helpful! How am I to know what u were doing at 18?!

user116211

Hello @loong!

Kenshin

I thought I was giving me advice tho

Loong

@MAFIA36790 hi!

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H actually this pretty much nails it:

Baz Luhrmann - Everybody's Free To Wear Sunscreen

►

user116211

11:46 AM

Did you check Mart's new pic, @loong?

user228700

@Kenshin Well, yeah, but Idk what u were doing at 18, man!

Kenshin

I was doing my degree

user116211

I was bit amazed ;P

Loong

@MAFIA36790 Is it new?

Kenshin

@Kaumudi.H I know what advice to give

user116211

11:48 AM

I don't know; but he's changed.

user228700

@JohnRennie What? Just "Wear sunscreen"? I've never worn sunscreen once in my whole life. Apart from super rich people who spend literal hours taking care of their skin, nobody wears sunscreen here :-P

user228700

@Kenshin What is it?

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H Read the lyrics

Kenshin

@Kaumudi.H my advice to myself would be do what you enjoy and are good at and never worry about what the community thinks one "ought" or should do

user228700

@JohnRennie Dammit. Sorry. Reading :-P

user228700

11:50 AM

@Kenshin Okay, yeah, that's pretty great.

Kenshin

@Kaumudi.H I'd also recommend sunscreen that blocks both UVA and UVB. Because UVA rays cause the majority of human skin ageing

John Rennie

@Kenshin I'd guess that most Tamils have enough melanin to block the uv ...

Kenshin

@JohnRennie I don't know if they block UVA though

UVB causes sunburn

but UVA causes slow long term damage that results in ageing

but maybe the melanin blocks both, I'd have to research it

user228700

@JohnRennie I'm not a Tamilian!!! :-P

user228700

Hey, @JohnRennie: I've not finished listening to it (but omg, thanks sharing!) but I was wondering. "Do something that scares u everyday".

Kenshin

11:54 AM

@Kaumudi.H don't do it

it's stupid

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H Keralans too.

user228700

Really? I mean, a) That's incredibly difficult to do in that u'd have to go out of ur way to do scary things everyday and b) Is it really that...valuable? I mean, everyday?

user228700

@Kenshin What is? Doing scary Shtuff every day?

Kenshin

@Kaumudi.H don't do it. Be reasonable, don't succomb to these fads and silly ideas they include in click bait articles

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H :-) I think he means that challenges are good i.e. doing what you're not sure you can accomplish stretches you and makes you a better person.

I wouldn't recommend playing Russian roulette every day :-)

user116211

11:57 AM

Just two words:

user116211

Be Chuck Norris.

user228700

@JohnRennie Right...

user228700

@Kenshin Yeah, no, don't worry, I'll think things through :-P

John Rennie

For example a challenge might be learning about Gibb's free energy. That's scary :-)

user228700

Boy, you couldn't be more correct! :-D

Kenshin

11:57 AM

@Kaumudi.H what's the purpose of doing something scary? There is none. It's pointless, maybe adrenaline junkies might like it and that's ok because then they're doing what they enjoy, but otherwise it's pointless.

John Rennie

My next challenge is to learn quantum field theory, and that's very scary!

user116211

@JohnRennie Ah! You changed your profile bio too!

Kenshin

@JohnRennie have no fear just approach it step by step

I'm sure you'll easily be able to grasp it

you have all the foundations

should be easy for you

user228700

@Kenshin Well, I sort of agree with @JohnR in that if the scary stuff is not just for a crazy adrenaline high, it can be really valuable to get to know parts of urself u thought never even existed...

user116211

Was your thesis digitised by the University itself @JohnRennie?

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