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9:01 PM
@DanielSank ooh, right... that's a bit of physics I haven't seen in a loooong time. I guess you could say that, yes. Though I don't think the intermediate states are quite the same as virtual particles - each state can have multiple virtual particles in it. If I remember right.
 
@ChrisWhite Seriously?
 
user54412
(5) you really need to take into consideration the comments on your answer.
 
For christ sake I'm just using google. Not a single conspiracy site
@ChrisWhite How so?
I really don't know where you're getting the idea that volcanoes aren't affected by climate, and the Yellowstone Supervolcano is dead
 
@DavidZ I think Shankar draws Feynman-like diagrams for scattering in nonrel QM
You can give each term in the power series a diagrammic representation just like in QFT
@DavidZ :
@SirCumference I would argue Google is a leftist propaganda site
 
9:22 PM
@SirCumference Why, exactly should volcanoes be affected by climate?
 
@dmckee I gave ya a plethora of sites
 
@dmckee Warmer atmosphere makes the lava warmer
 
@0celo7 No.
But that was pretty funny
 
@dmckee Is emailing an author about an equation in their book (not likely a typo, I just have no idea how to derive it) kosher?
I've spent about 5 days and 15 pieces of paper on it
 
I have had people e-mailing me because of an answer here :)
 
9:26 PM
@SirCumference You could have just said "the loading of the continental plates changes".
Which is niffty, by the way, but not catastrophic.
the Yellowstone Cauldera would have experienced a much bigger local load change during the on-set of this interglacial circa 15 kyears BP.
 
@dmckee That'd happen at a 6°C increase in temperature
Just imagine 47°
 
implying we won't built a sphere around the earth and AC it by then
 
@MikaelKuisma The good kind of email, I hope?
 
@0celo7 Have you approached your local mentors about it yet?
 
@0celo7 Wouldn't the sphere become extremely hot?
 
9:29 PM
Can you help me finish this matlab code kind of e-mail :)
 
@dmckee My prof skipped our meeting yesterday and hasn't responded to my email
 
Ugh :D
 
I know he's alive
 
I mean, you can mail the author, but if the problem is that you're getting ahead of yourself he might put you in the "waste of time" pigeon-hole.
And not want to talk to you at some later date.
 
I have to be missing something then
 
9:30 PM
@0celo7 Will the world end if you don't figure this out just yet? 5 days don't strike me as long for understanding something, honestly
 
@ACuriousMind Yeah I'm pretty much obsessed
 
I have understood many things only after letting them sit in the back of my head for weeks
 
I haven't done/read anything else since then
I can't do that
 
then learn it, it's an important skill
 
There is certain problem in formulating e-mails to strangers, I agree. If you are too brief, they are likely to misunderstand. If you are too elaborate, then the mail becomes confusing.
 
9:31 PM
my MO question is now at -2
ugh this is terrible
@ACuriousMind I don't think I know enough to solve this myself
I'm missing something crucial about flows, isometries, something
The author makes it sound like it's self-evident
 
@DavidZ "Particle" means "excitation of a mode".
The intermediate, i.e. "virtual" states can have various numbers of particles.
Unfortunately, talking about particles as individuals like Larry, Mo, and Curly is highly misleading in the first place.
I have a somewhat canonical post about this: physics.stackexchange.com/questions/122570/…
 
@DanielSank AKA most states are not Fock states.
 
@dmckee Well that's true too.
Even in a Fock state, all you should say is "there are N particles" but you should not think of them as identifiable individual objects.
 
@DanielSank Ehh...the intermediate states live in the interacting Hilbert space where you don't have the notion of particle to begin with
 
@ACuriousMind Sure, but you can write stuff in terms of the Fock states of the non-interacting Hammy.
(Hammy = Hamiltonian. I'm trying to get that to catch on)
 
9:38 PM
@DanielSank Only if you ignore things like Haag's theorem. There is a fundamental issue in QFT that the interaction picture from standard QM doesn't really work (although you can use it to get correct first-order results in many cases)
 
I wrote my view of virtual particles as an answer: physics.stackexchange.com/a/273826/98068
 
@ACuriousMind Do you remember anything from Milnor about flows of Morse function gradients? Anything special there?
 
@0celo7 How often do I have to say that I don't know anything about flows till you believe me?
 
@ACuriousMind I really think all this business about Fock states in the interacting system not existing etc. etc. is a perfect example of letting the perfect be the enemy of the good enough.
 
@ACuriousMind Because when 99% of mathematicians/physicists say they know "nothing" or "very little" about something, they mean they don't know as much as someone who specializes in it
but they actually know quite a lot
 
9:40 PM
The notion of virtual particles is just that of excitations we find on the insides of our pictures of physical processes, but which never make it to the outside.
You can see that in the Schrodinger equation.
The pathologies of full blown QFT seem irrelevant to understanding the issue of virtual excitations.
From Wikipedia:
> Rudolf Haag postulated [1] that the interaction picture does not exist in an interacting, relativistic quantum field theory (QFT), something now commonly known as Haag's Theorem.
 
I think I agree with everybody on what virtual particle is, but I disagree on its ontological interpretation.
 
There's that word again... "relativistic".
You do not need relativity to do field theory
Can we staple that to the front of this site, please?
@DavidZ, @dmckee
 
@DanielSank How do you "find" them in the inside? They are there in the perturbation series, but nature is not perturbative, the perturbation series is just our tool to compute something we're oto stupid to compute otherwise
 
@ACuriousMind Uh, yeah.
Virtual particles aren't a measurable thing.
It's entirely a part of our little story we use to explain stuff, a.k.a. physics theory.
 
I guess I just fundamentally dislike using the perturbation theory to tell the story
 
9:44 PM
@ACuriousMind ok
@ACuriousMind I have no idea how else to explain virtual particles since, as far as I know, they only show up in perturbation series.
Is that incorrect?
 
@DanielSank Actually, you get into troubles as soon as you get infinitely many d.o.f., since the uniqueness of the representation of the commutation relations fails. I'm not sure how important the "relativistc" part is in this case
@DanielSank No, it's correct
Which is why I wish everyone stopped presenting virtual particles as if they were a fundamental aspect of QFT :)
 
@ACuriousMind What is d.o.f.?
 
degree of freedom
 
@ACuriousMind Agreed, and I wish everyone would stop pretending they only show up in QFT!
I've made this comment several times before, actually:
There is an unfortunate tendency of this site to imply that many theoretical things (like moving poles around in the complex plane) are particular to QFT, and often even relativistic QFT.
 
@ACuriousMind Yeah, I mean it is just an intuitive representation of the theory, which of course is then interpreted maybe too accurately. BUT... so is the free particle. It just happends to be away from all of the interactions, or has minor interactions. And who knows how dressed even the electron is.
With a grain of salt, everything is a quasiparticle to me.
If it is easier to interpret as a single particle, I think it is no argument of it being any more real.
 
9:51 PM
@MikaelKuisma An electron in space is not a free particle though.
The electromagnetic field is... there.
Electrons are charged, so yeah, they're always dressed.
 
they must have a difficult time showering
 
@ACuriousMind :P
 
I can't resist a making a bad joke if I think of one!
Whether that's a flaw or a virtue lies in the eye of the beholder :P
 
@DanielSank Yes, my point exactly. That even a free electron is a 'mess'. So why the free electron going in or out to the scattering even is more real, than something which happends in the middle. That notion of real is in this context just classical, I would say.
 
@ACuriousMind Hai
 
9:56 PM
By the way, there is a nice quote about single particle picture from Pauli
Of your demands for a future [. . . ] field theory, the demand: “A single particle should appear as a trivialvsolution of the basic equations” (of which I know that it has been your favorite demand for months) seems rather questionable, since a charged particle is nothing trivial. (Pauli to Heisenberg, 16 July 1934)
 
Did this make the HNQ bar? physics.stackexchange.com/questions/273852 Or why did an off-hand comment take me to the rep cap?
One day, one day, I'll make the Epic badge. Maybe.
 
10:13 PM
@EmilioPisanty rep cap?
 
200 rep/day I think ... nothing normal mortals have to worry about
 
Ok. I have reached that once then, while answering something trivial about gravity. It went to some hot questions list and ridiculous amounts of trafic came. That highlights the power of internet marketing, click-bait titles on newspapers etc. It is a bit unfair almost.
 
well, I think we all got ridiculous rep on bad/short posts from time to time ... My two most upvoted answers are pretty bad
 
it is more annoying that good answers are left unnoticed though..
 
yeah, there are posts I am really kind of happy with that got like almost no attention, but well - they're not written for the rep after all and someone might still read them at some point if they need help/research something
 
10:25 PM
that is true. But surely the rep thing is designed not only to advances in user rights, but also to be a bit addictive.
 
I think it actually creates wrong incentives and is a bit broken, but yeah, I think the idea was to make people want to write good answers in order to get rep too
 
Reddit servers have been constantly down lately
 
That is the true measurement problem. That my measuring things one defines their dynamics. Just like in quantum mechanics :D
For example, in democracy, the people who get elected are the people who are the best at getting votes. Same in Stack Exchange. This of course correlates with skill and effort to some extent, but there are other factors as well.
 
well, I honestly think the problem is bigger with democracy than stackexchange :D
 
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10:47 PM
@SirCumference theres at least 1 cool documentary on supervolcanoes, there are something like ~50 around the world, and yellowstone has erupted a few times over millions of years with massive effect. another one to study is the toba eruption about 70K years ago & its now estimated to have a massive effect on homo sapiens, possibly/ almost driving to extinction.
 
vzn
11:02 PM
@WilliamBulmer Secret found this new ref by Tenev, Horstemeyer, think highly relevant to your own inquiry (thx for sharing), think it can be built on/ expanded, hope you can stick around for further effort on that arxiv.org/abs/1603.07655
 
11:19 PM
@Qmechanic on this question I don't believe the notice is supposed to go on questions. Or am I missing something?
 
11:32 PM
@DavidZ I'm not sure it's on topic, either. "Does a translation exist?" is fine, but "where can I buy it?" sounds more like what we were trying to avoid.
 
When comparing different functions I noticed a similarity, and was wondering if anyone had some thoughts on it?
For example F=MA
And E=MC2
Force and energy perhaps different in one perspective, have a similarity in another.
Mass = Mass
Also the Speed of Light Squared in one perspective perhaps different then acceleration, however in another perspective, they are similar.
They say that the speed of light squared acts as a constant.
Is this like placing a constant value on acceleration?
 
@0celo7 : It is not uncommon on MO for people to automatically downvote questions that have also been posted on MSE, especially if the poster appears not to have waited for a decent interval before reposting (e.g. four or five days) and doubly especially if the MO post fails to link to the MSE post.
 
Welcome David White
 
11:48 PM
@Decrypted $F=ma$ is Newton II in constant mass approximation; $E=mc^2$ is Relativity; squared velocity and acceleration have different units - I am not too sure what you want to tell us :| But yeah, they both scale linearly with mass ...
 
@Sanya The rep cap is a net of +200 rep per days from up and downvotes. Neither rep from acceptances nor bounties are capped.
 
yeah, I omitted the last part - and as it will never apply to me I am quite astonished that I actually remember it ^^"~
 
If you have an account and are logged in you can get a detailed reputation audit by going to physics.stackexchange.com/reputation
At the bottom it will tell you how many times you have hit that cap.
 
Thanks, @Decrypted. This is my first journey to the h Bar, so I'll just do a bit of browsing.
 
11 times so far for me.
 
11:51 PM
Also lets consider V=I*R
Voltage in a perspective its a form of energy
 
I got a glorious zero :D @dmckee
 
I'm a long way from epic.
@Decrypted No. Voltage is energy per unit charge. The difference is important.
 
For example if we take D=R*T and turn the other two around we get
 
epic = insane :D
 
D=T*R
Comparing D=TR to V=IR
 
11:53 PM
There is also legendary for when you're three times as epic.
 
The current that has a certain aspect
Time also has a certain aspect
The rate that similar to the resistance
IN a way does that make distance similar to voltage?
 
@Sanya All you need to do is bang off some answer that gets a good start on a question ends on the Hot Network Questions sidebar and let the throng take care of you.
It's a lot easier to cap since that thing came into being.
 
@dmckee well, that still means you need to no GR or QFT well, so I'm out :D
 
Also if we do Distance = Time * Rate and compare to E = M * C2. Is that making time similar to mass?
 
@Decrypted You're just observing that a lot of physical relationships are linear. Don't read too much into it.
 
11:57 PM
@Decrypted voltage is a potential, space is not - that seems to be an important difference to me
 
IN a perspective
Its like the difference between velocity and speed
 
My most recent one came from plain 'ole quantum mechanics.
 
Mass itself oscillates, though time linear from a perspective
 
alright :D even though my second most upvoted answer is stating heisenberg's uncertainty principle -.-'
so I see the point :D
 
INdeed if one where to make a 0 for any one of D=RT What does that mean?
 

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