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12:16 AM
okay this is my fast and loose summary of the discussion on differential forms over a differentiable manifold :P
 
 
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1:27 AM
@ACuriousMind what does this mean
@SillyGoose u eldritch being
 
2:17 AM
u shellshermichael @Relativisticcucumber
 
3:02 AM
@SillyGoose you said you define the exterior derivative but you didn't
Anyhow what's the name of the font
 
@lucabtz oh yes i wrote "we define the usual..." so i didn't have to write down the definition XD but i should add that in...
let me check about hte font
im not sure it might be called "libertine"
 
@SillyGoose thanks
 
this latex template also uses this package which seems to affect the font: \usepackage{mathptmx} % d. ...in a simple roman face except where indicated below (§3).
 
 
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5:07 AM
@SillyGoose you can always go back to old Newtonian mechanics with every single particle in physical space instead of the combined configuration space~
 
meow
 
@SillyGoose KathyLovesPhysics covers the original papers of E&M. Extremely amazing stuff.
@SillyGoose M I A O ~ ~
@SillyGoose It cannot be, because the completion of putting together Maxwell's equations were all done without the conception of SR nor QM. Of course, if you want a modern account that emphasises how SR and QM are actually really needed for Maxwell's equations to be as they are, you might find one, but it is not how we got here.
Also, ACM's reply to you there is undoubtedly correct, but he omitted an important aspect, probably because everybody talks about this: The spin-statistics theorem says that the spin one of photons makes it so that photons obey Bose-Einstein statistics, and this amplifies the collective wave aspects, so that the classical wave aspects are salient. Contrasted with electrons obeying Fermi-Dirac statistics, which amplifies individual particle aspects.
@SillyGoose burn this. Either define the 1-form with a minus sign, or define the 2-form with the opposite sign. Nobody should be taking the negative of a exterior derivative as a convention.
 
I have a probably really simple question about an example in Lancaster and Blundell's QFT book:
In 1.37 how does the derivative of $\tfrac12 (\partial_\mu\phi)^2$ end up as $\partial^\mu\phi$ rather than $\partial_\mu\phi$?
Presumably it is related to the fact that $(\partial_\mu\phi)^2 = (\partial_\mu\phi)(\partial^\mu\phi)$?
 
5:25 AM
Is it possible that I have finally found a moment where I could help John Rennie?
 
@SillyGoose horrifying mistake, but it is also the kind of mistake that would be completely prevented if you had concrete applications of all the various entities involved, instead of an abstract-only learning. It is not just the metric that is a symmetric tensor. There are plenty of others in physics.
@JohnRennie yes
 
@JohnRennie i think if you write it out as you did and then use the metric to lower the index of the second term and then differentiate using product rule you will get your wanted result
 
I think $$\frac{\partial}{(\partial_{\mu}\phi)}\frac{1}{2}(\partial_\mu\phi)^2 = \frac{2}{2}\frac{\partial}{(\partial_{\mu}\phi)}(\partial_\mu\phi)(\partial^{u}\phi)$$
 
In particular, it is that $\frac12(\partial_\mu\phi)^2=\frac12\partial_\alpha\phi g^{\alpha\beta}\partial_\beta\phi$ so that the derivative denominator that is $\partial\partial_\mu\phi$ with the two partials, converts first just one, and then the other, into a kronecker delta. Then the two parts are the same thing, and cancel away with the half.
@Obliv why do you have a dangling $\partial^\mu$ at the end?
 
woops
 
5:30 AM
@Obliv the new edit is straight up false...
 
welp too late to edit it now
I shoulda put a bracket around those two terms
it's meant to be partial of those last 2 terms which should just be $\partial^u\phi$
 
or whatever that var. is in the superscript
 
writing index notation in latex is tiresome XD
 
@SillyGoose This package defines Adobe Times Roman (or equivalent) as default text font, and provides maths support using glyphs from the Symbol, Chancery and Computer Modern fonts together with letters, etc., from Times Roman. It supersedes both the original times and the mathptm packages.
 
5:32 AM
the bottom half of the page is the correct calculation (im pretty sure)
i obtain $2$ times the correct result because i left out the factor of $\frac{1}{2}$
 
@JohnRennie I have no idea what's going on physically/mathematically but it seems to me if you plug in that identity and then take the derivative, the term $\partial_{\mu}\phi$ vanishes and we have $(\partial^u\phi)$ kinda like $\frac{\partial}{\partial x}xy = y$ where $x = \partial_{\mu}\phi$ and $y = \partial^u\phi$
 
@naturallyInconsistent oh
 
@SillyGoose it is. It skipped the important step, though
@Obliv no, this is not what is happening
 
Of course, yes, silly me :-)
Thanks everyone :-)
 
5:34 AM
I mean that's literally what's happening @naturallyInconsistent
 
It is not a usual day that we get to help Rennie
@Obliv and I am telling you that you are wrong on that
 
In what way?
 
@Obliv $(\partial^\mu \phi)$ is not an independent variable
from $\partial_\mu \phi$
 
@Obliv The correct reason is already written by the wacky fowl
If you want it in more detail and LaTeXed goodness:
 
if you wanted to do the calculation systematically, you should lower all indices via the metric tensor and then apply usual calculus to take derivatives
 
5:36 AM
where did the $\eta$ come from
what da dog doin
 
Minkowski metric
It's being used to lower the index.
 
I like my explanation better because I can understand it, even though it's wrong :D
 
$$\begin{align}\frac{\partial\ \ }{\partial\partial_\mu\phi}\frac12(\partial_\nu\phi)^2&=\frac12\frac{\partial\ \ }{\partial\partial_\mu\phi}\partial_\alpha\phi\,g^{\alpha\beta}\,\partial_\beta\phi\\&=\frac12\left[\delta_\alpha^\mu\,g^{\alpha\beta}\partial_\beta\phi+\partial_\alpha\phi\,g^{\alpha\beta}\delta_\beta^\mu\right]\\&=\partial^\mu\phi\end {align}$$
@Obliv that's a paddling
 
so what do the subscript/superscripts represent
 
@Obliv contravariant v.s. covariant indices
 
5:42 AM
can I learn this power
 
@Obliv you should
 
I thought my intro abstract algebra course would touch on concepts like vector spaces,modules, etc
i guess technically we did touch on vector spaces via fields
but not explicitly
I'm just gonna learn on my own what manifolds are and tensors etc
all the important stuff in physics
didn't even know this was a subject of its own
meow
 
@Obliv technically, none of it is of any importance. Plenty of physicists get by with none of these. But it is very helpful to know some of these maths
M I A O ~ ~
 
I guess you're right, but it feels like I've come this far, so might as well put in the extra effort to learn a few more abstract concepts
plus then I can decipher what is going on with these scribbles in the h-bar
 
yes, these are very helpful stuff to learn, but unfortunately many coverage are just bad
 
5:49 AM
it looks like truly nonsense from my PoV :P
@naturallyInconsistent do u know of a good resource for deriving the ensembles in stat mech
Schroeder served me well in like the first couple chapters but I'm starting to see the shortcomings
it's probably still my best resource cuz the curriculum follows it pretty closely
 
@Obliv You should try Ian Ford Statistical Physics, an Entropic Approach. If you want a lot of maths, do Callen.
Callen does a lot of the physical arguments properly.
 
Okay, will check those out. Thanks :)
 
@Relativisticcucumber incomprehensible utterances are a hallmark of eldritch beings a la Lovecraft - once you understand them, you typically go insane, i. e. become a physicist
 
oh no the mods are no longer asleep. shoos the animals out of the bar
 
M I A O !!!
 
6:00 AM
We have geese just chillin on campus snacking on the grass and they're so docile/used to students just walking near them.. but I have to remind myself that they're actually just cobra chickens..
no offense @SillyGoose
 
I wonder if I should admit we had roast goose for the big Easter meal.
It was very tasty!
 
6:14 AM
i will admit that i think duck is one of the greatest foods ever
@Obliv omg i wish we had geese
we have squirrels and lizards
 
6:32 AM
@ACuriousMind lol
my supervisor believes that nobody really understands physics and that people just say random things that they think are related to what is being discussed
i think thats a him problem
i have begun to dig too deep into his endeavors. i have found that 30% of his citations are from himself. on average, 70% of the citations of his papers are by him
or "on median" im not sure which i should say. selecting papers at random, examining who they have been cited by, 70% of it is him is what i mean
 
zoinks
 
@Relativisticcucumber omg that is something that I would consider for reporting to the university. Can you, like, pivot to another supervisor or something? Very very scary
 
im leaving in august anyways but yeah i didnt realize how bad this guy was until recently
some events have made me think quite negatively of him and i began to realize more and more bad things once i lost my initial respect for him
sadly i have come to realize many figures in science are corrupt :( and it seems that trying to do anything ab this just gets u blacklisted :(
 
6:50 AM
Sigh
That is also why niche parts of science deserve scrutiny. It is much more difficult to make shit up in hotly contested experimental areas, whereas if you write shit in a niche area that nobody really cares about, you can hide quite well
 
yeah well this guy is quantum info but hes not that big. it just bothers me bc he refers to himself as someone who is big in the field and its just annoying bc i wanna be like bro i know u r just a citation machine with urself who r u fooling
but it does make me sad that science is corrupt. but its just smth to learn to navigate i guess : ////
 
@Relativisticcucumber MIT be like: 0.0
 
but ill just learn as much as i can and then onto bigger and better things in august !!!
 
@Relativisticcucumber omg so many horror stories of QC. Very very annoying
 
@SillyGoose MIT be like "lets name this new building after a pedophile!"
lets visit sex offenders in jail!
still better than stanford
there the offenders arent even sent outside county lines!
nuff said
 
6:57 AM
When miao miao jumped out of QC to join this company, the physics people who heard what miao miao was doing in QC, all agreed that miao miao dodged a bullet. And then the people who touched QC before, added their own QC horror stories
 
@naturallyInconsistent god
 
this notation makes me sad ;_;
 
yeah, eyes are not happy with that
@Relativisticcucumber anyway, your latest question about BEC, im not sure what you want more than the fact that Bose-Einstein statistics favour a LOT of particles sharing the same state.
 
7:21 AM
i wish there was a mathematics for theoretical physics course
 
@SillyGoose actually, miao miao benefitted a lot from one
but even that is not at all enough. There are just way too much maths that can be applied to physics
 
true dat
i really wish i knew diffe g...but maybe i can learn enough over this summer
 
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7:36 AM
Hello Everyone..
 
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What is the gravitational field equation in 2D in newtonian mechanics?
 

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