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3:33 AM
Hey, I believe there's a typo in an answer but I can't edit since it's too little characters
Second paragraph: "equally often, poorly explained meme."
I believe he meant "theme"?
 
 
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7:17 AM
@WashingtonA.Ramos no, I think the author is calling the idea that "time is an added fourth dimension" a meme, i. E. an almost virally spread idea. I find the answer a bit weird but I don't think it's a typo
 
8:17 AM
Why we can assume scattering can be modelled by an S-matrix, that is a linear operator. Is it always possible for a matrix to include all nonlinearities in its components?
Is this linearity even in quantum field theory possible because the quantum states in the infinite past and future are somehow have components that are mutually orthogonal, and hence linearity holds?
 
8:36 AM
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Q: Why is the physics stack exchange such a piece of shit?

helpIf you're apart of the Math Stack Exchange, its such an involved and respectful community. They assist with homework, people ask arbitrary and deep questions. There are great discussions and connections. Not to mention the amount of activity on it, there is no one the PSE and that's weird. Here,...

 
@JakeRose Yep. But it shouldn't come to any suprise though. These yokes with current PMTC Permanent Magnet Technology Capabilities can get up to 35 Tesla. Also, FYI MRI machines are 1 - 6 Tesla. Specially made scientific MRI machines are 12.5 - 21 Tesla. MRI machines can't get above 21.1 Tesla with today's technology capabilities. Maybe in a year or so we can gain that technology capability.
@JakeRose Worlds most powerful constant on electromagnet is the 45 Tesla Hybrid down in Tallahassee Florida at the National Magnet Laboratory. Or in short MagLab. They also host the world most powerful pulsed electromagnet. At 100 Tesla this electromagnet is a pure monster. It is under tens of thousands of PSI. I believe... If I remember correctly, the 45 Tesla Hybrid coils are under 12,000 PSI of electromagnetic force.
@JakeRose A lot can be learned if you go their. I've been there quite a few times and I love seeing the raw generators and capacitors used on the 100 Tesla multishot electromagnet. But I personally think the 45 Tesla Hybrid is a beauty and a work of art. But the 100 Tesla magnet is also impressive. It's hard to decide.
 
8:59 AM
Even though these can make powerful magnetic fields, don't be fooled by it's size. Making these yokes are very very VERY dangerous. Making a yoke is recommended for those that have at least 10 years or more of experience with magnetics. Personally, I don't recommend anyone that isn't thoroughly trained and experienced to make a PMY Permanent Magnet Yoke. Neodymium magnets of 2 by 2 inch grade N52 size aren't toys.
Attracting Snaping Distance: 12.5 - 14 inches, pull strength: 400 pounds * speed = impact force. Speed can easily reach up to 20 MPH. Sheer force is pulling strength divided by 2. Ex. 400 pounds / 2 = 200 pounds of sheer force.
 
9:18 AM
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Q: What is Neodymium?

Jeremy CanceloWhat is Neodymium? I'm not quite sure why i was redirected here. I was curious about magnets. I wondered how magnetizing a drill bit worked. I originally wanted to know how long the magnetization would last. Google gave a 3 part response. The temporary magnetization, the Neodymium, which would lo...

Any thoughts on removing the second half of that question, to keep it on topic?
 
With the link to Wikipedia that was introduced in an edit, the question now also contains the answer.
 
@Loong I mean, yes, also that
But the second half of the post is just a rant with nothing to do with neodymium
 
10:08 AM
Sorry for this, but can someone look at my question?
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Q: Annihilation of virtual particles

KorraConsider this scenario. We have two virtual particles form in a point in space. Let us consider them to be electron-positron pair. Now suppose an ELectron (not virtual) comes near the positron, nearer to the positron than the virtual electron which was the part of the virtual particles pair. If s...

 
10:45 AM
Bummer... my 2x500 rep bounties didn't attract any new answers :(
 
 
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11:54 AM
@tpg2114 can you link that here? I want to see it.
 
12:32 PM
> You've asked two questions. One was answered, one is about the most "disrespectful" thing I've seen on SE for years.
damn
now I'm really curious
 
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Q: How to flag an anonymous suggested edit?

Guru VishnuI'm new to the "Suggested Edits" review queue. Recently, I was asked to review an edit suggested by an anonymous user which if accepted would actively harm our site. I rejected the edit. Is there any way to flag an edit by an anonymous user in order to prevent such circumstances in future? I did...

 
@EmilioPisanty Tools > Recently Deleted. Top of the pile, should be pretty obvious which one it is :P
Wait that's the same one
IDK if that's what he meant or not.
It was originally in the regular site though, so possibly.
 
12:50 PM
@JMac ah, I hadn't noticed that
 
1:36 PM
@JMac wow...
This guy has a chip on his shoulder...
 
1:57 PM
@ZeroTheHero It's strange how upset some people get that a site doesn't work like they want. Someone explained it really well on meta. It's like every other online community, where before you try to actively participate, you need to take some time to get a feel for the site and the community. I don't know why people expect to successfully jump into existing communities and change them to be what they were looking for.
 
2:15 PM
I am doing this again, (。•́︿•̀。)
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Q: Tunneling in quantum mechanics

KorraWe have this well known case of ~4.2 MeV α-particle being emitted from the U-238 nucleus but the α-particle emitted from the Po-212 which has the energy of ~9MeV cannot penetrate it. This phenomenon is explained by the tunneling effect from quantum mechanics. Now, of the tunneling can happen f...

 
So reading this question I was thinking, could you say your event horizon is technically the distance where the gravitational force is exactly zero? I don't think it would be useful as an answer to that question; but it just had me curious about that. I know basically nothing about relativity so I don't know how wrong such a statement would be.
But as far as I understand gravity can't act from beyond the event horizion.
 
@JMac I don't think it makes sense to say that. The apparently simple concept of gravitational force is not easy to define in GR, but it certainly wouldn't be zero at the EH
 
2:31 PM
@Javier I thought information about gravitational fields couldn't travel faster than the speed of light.
 
That's right, but what does that have to do with the force being zero?
 
@Javier If the force from it were non-zero, wouldn't that be information about the gravitational field travelling faster than light?
Well the equivalent of Newtonian gravitational force I guess you would say (which is why it doesn't make sense to talk about in that question)
 
@J
@JMac you can read some of the answers at physics.stackexchange.com/questions/937/…
IMO the bottom line is that the crucial point is that the grav field of a black hole is static. The information was already there when the black hole formed, because the mass from which it formed had its own gravitational field
No information has to travel
 
@Javier hahaha whoops I'm an idiot. I meant to say the edge of the observable universe, not the event horizon. I do somewhat understand why that doesn't work with EH's, and that's definitely not what I was thinking.
 
@JMac oh I get what you meant now
 
2:40 PM
It probably helps when I actually say what I mean lmao
 
I guess in a sense that's true then, if you trace the history of the BH's mass back to the big bang, it has a maximum sphere of influence
lol
 
3:31 PM
Take the Reissner-Nordström metric, $ds^2 = -f(r)dt^2 + dr^2/f(r) + r^2 d\Omega^2$, with $f(r) = 1 - 2M/r + Q^2/r^2$. Let's say we replace the charge term by something with an arbitrary power of r, $f(r) = 1 - 2M/r + A/r^b$. Does this metric have a standard name? It shows up a bunch in alternatives to GR and for some matter contents, but everyone seems to have their own name for it.
 
4:13 PM
@ACuriousMind I see. I'm a programmer, not a physicist, was just being curious around Physics SE and I found it weird to see internet jargons in a StackExchange site.
 
4:40 PM
I am a person.
I live on planet Earth.
I'm evolutionary built to seek reproduction.
yes.
 
@NovaliumCompany so are rats :-)
 
4:56 PM
@JohnRennie Nailed it
 
Though I should point out that having played with pet rats on many occasions I have invariably found them to be friendly and intelligent creatures. Sadly I cannot say this for all the humans I have met.
 
@JohnRennie Well you can't just give cheese to people an expect them to be happy :P
 
:-)
Actually giving me food is usually sufficient to make me happy, and I do like cheese. Perhaps I am a rat (one that has learned to type).
 
And read
 
@WashingtonA.Ramos For better or worse, we are part of the internet ;)
 
@Slereah surprisingly entertaining :-)
 
it's a great birthday song
 
6:17 PM
I'm a bit confused with what down payment is. For example, a house is for sale at $50,000 with $10,000 down payment. Does that mean I have to pay the owner $10,000 upfront and then slowly pay off the rest $40,000 at a monthly expense?
 
@NovaliumCompany Yes
 
oks
I'm reading Rich Dad, Poor Dad. Time to get myself some financially intelligent.
 
@NovaliumCompany With a typical house mortgage I believe it's really between you and the bank. Like the seller gets all the money; but the buyer only provides some of that money, and the rest is provided by the bank through a loan. The issue is that banks don't typically offer loans (or have terrible terms) unless you pay some upfront for the downpayment.
 
gatchya
 
I'm pretty sure the financial crash had a lot to do with no-down payment mortages and what goes wrong when banks offer too many of them to people who can't afford it; or at least that's what I got from "The Big Short".
 
6:23 PM
@JMac That was an interesting movie haha
*is?
 
@AaronStevens I really liked it. They did a really good job keeping that interesting somehow.
 
@JMac It has been a while since I have seen it. I just remember there was some part with a conference call or meeting or something that was hilarious
And it had random appearances of famous people explaining things haha
 
@AaronStevens I remember getting all the celebrities explaining financial terms. I saw an episode of CBC marketplace or something on youtube; and they were ripping that off with people from Dragon's Den and all I could think was "the big short did it way better".
 
@JMac Hmm interesting haha
 
6:43 PM
Guys, I came up with a joke
 
man why would someone make attendance mandatory on an 8:30am class
 
Fortune favors the bold.
 
@SirCumference The only mandatory attendance class I had was at 6:30 PM. It was like the opposite end of the weird spectrum.
 
@JMac welp i'd definitely take that instead
having to wake up so early just destroys my ability to study for the day
 
@SirCumference I was on the fence. I wasn't particularly a morning person; but commuting home at 9:30 PM was a lot more annoying than ~4 PM when all the express routes ran in my city.
 
6:46 PM
well i feel ya. i got a mandatory 6:00pm class this semester too :/
Luckily it's a film analysis class so the "lectures" are just us watching movies
still kind of silly though
 
@SirCumference What type of film? I took one of those too (literally the one "non-technical elective" that we had to take in my program)
Mine was "Science Fiction in Film"
 
@JMac Japanese-oriented mainly. E.g. Godzilla and some animated films
Actually surprisingly interesting how they incorporate cultural aspects, though it's a lot of writing for a few credits
 
I found it was a nice break from all the math and science courses at least
 
yep, watching a movie once a week might not be too bad, all things considered
 
Mine was pretty easily graded, which was nice. We had a couple papers, but it was mostly about showing up and making some attempt to participate in class discussion.
 
6:49 PM
though the whole "miss three classes and you get an F" is pretty weird
 
Ours was a pretty notoriously easy class. Like 1/3rd of the class was engineers, and the class was basically as far from the engineering campus and the actual engineering program as possible; so it was pretty clear why most took it.
 
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Q: Can a mathematical proof replace experimentation?

Aspiring Mad scientistI know that this is very similar to How important is mathematical proof in physics? as well as Is physics rigorous in the mathematical sense? and The Role of Rigor. However, none of the answers to those questions really resolved my own question : Is there a case where mathematical proof can ...

Surprised this got reopened
 
yep, same. probably 1/3 of people here actually joined the class because they were interested in the subject material
other 2/3 like me were looking for the social science credit
still happens to be a pretty interesting class so i'm not complaining
 
I know I shouldn't ask such stuff to random people, but... do you guys struggle financially?
 
@NovaliumCompany Yes. Loving that grad student stipend :) I will be better off once I graduate and get an actual position somewhere though
And once my wife finishes school as well. We decided to be a little financially strained for a bit so that we could finish up education
 
6:59 PM
@AaronStevens I'll do you a favor. Read "Rich dad, poor dad".
 
@NovaliumCompany I'll add it to my list
 
Job is an acronym for Just Over Broke.
The book simplified is - invest in assets that produce income. That's it.
 
@NovaliumCompany unfortunately science isn't a particularly lucrative field
which is really dumb considering its importance, but it is what it is
 
Well, it's all determined by what people value it at.
 
@NovaliumCompany I am fine with being "financially secure", but I am not really interested in amassing huge amounts of wealth
 
7:03 PM
People buy products, which are engineered and designed by engineers and designers, and those engineers and designers develop the products using laws and information that science guys produce.
Soo yeah, science guys are pretty down the ladder.
 
@SirCumference Do you mean research? "Science" is a broad category. I don't think you can characterize the income of someone in a "science" position
 
it's at least nice that academia has very good job security
well after tenure
@AaronStevens yeah, when i say "science" my mind immediately goes to research, i should've been clearer
 
@SirCumference Understandable :)
 
I'm also on the opinion that science and discovering things in the world are of great importance. But making use of those discoveries is where engineers and product designers come in. And honestly, no one buys theories and science laws. People buy products that are useful to them.
 
@NovaliumCompany That really depends on how you think of your ladder... Engineers piggyback off the information that "scientists" have already come up with; strip out anything they don't want to deal with, and apply it. I would consider that below "science".
 
7:06 PM
Science guys are the foundation tho. Thanks to them, everything above happens.
@JMac Sorry, what do you mean?
 
imo we really need more science educators, the kind like Neil Degrasse Tyson. The success of scientific research largely depends on the public perception, so getting people more interested is necessary to get funding
 
@JMac Plot twist: The ladder is in non-Euclidean space and is like that infinite Escher staircase without top or botton.
 
if over time more people get interested, research can become more lucrative
 
@NovaliumCompany Engineers just take what scientists have already done; rip out the pieces they need, and apply them. It might take a different type of thinking than scientific research; but I wouldn't call it better. Without that science it's just a bunch of people throwing crap at the wall and seeing what sticks.
 
@NovaliumCompany "People buy products that are useful to them" My very large backlog of unplayed video games would like to disagree.
 
7:09 PM
@NovaliumCompany So for the ladder analogy; a ladder is completely useless if it doesn't have a firm support. The higher rungs aren't going to help if the entire ladder collapses when you try to step on them.
 
@ACuriousMind *Space-time twist
 
@ACuriousMind Yeah seriously though. My Steam library would like to have a word with him.
 
@JMac The ladder analogy is a mistake. Everyone interprets it differently. What I'll say is that I totally agree that science and discovery are the foundation of everything. But a bunch of discoveries and laws are useless if no one does something useful with them.
 
eh, everyone has a hunger for knowledge
science satisfies that niche
i remember going to a presentation from an astronomer about curiosity, he said according to research curiosity activates similar parts of the brain as hunger for food. imo being able to satisfy that instinct is useful in its own right
 
@SirCumference I've been ever skeptical of popular "brain area activation" claims since the brain activity of dead salmons won an IgNobel :P
 
7:17 PM
@NovaliumCompany It seems weird to put it lower than the creations based on those discoveries though. Advancing technology basically relies directly on discovery. The science guys are quite involved in the process, I wouldn't really call it low on the ladder.
 
@ACuriousMind welp i'm not knowledgeable enough on neuropsychology to comment on that :P
 
@JMac I didn't mean it that way. I meant in a hierarchical way based on dependence.
engineers don't live without science guys, business guys don't live without the engineers and people don't live without business guys.
you climb the ladder to deliver value to people, that's it. I'm not ranking it by importance.
 
That last dependence is a bug, not a feature...
 
In fact, if you remove the science guys, the ladder collapses.
@ACuriousMind someone has to spread the cool things right.
engineers don't do that.
 
7:32 PM
@NovaliumCompany The "business guys" aren't just spreading the cool things. They're selling cool things with planned obolescence so that we keep buying cool things while the still perfectly good old cool things fill our landfills. They're building cool things from resources extracted under terrible conditions because it would hurt their profit margins to do it sustainably and under humane conditions. It is their goal to provide us with cool things only insofar as it is competitive.
 
@ACuriousMind Nailed it
 
@ACuriousMind ok?
in the end, no one forces you to buy ;)
 
@ACuriousMind I had an engineering ethics course that basically entirely focused on the cradle-to-cradle mentality as opposed to the cradle-to-grave mentality. It's something I never even really thought about until it was all laid out in front of me.
 
You don't blame business guys for selling. You blame yourself for buying.
Proactive thinking buddy
 
@NovaliumCompany With a few specific exceptions, I blame individual people neither for selling nor buying. This state of affairs is an unavoidable outcome of an insufficiently regulated competition that maximizes a proxy for human value (money) instead of actual human values.
 
7:40 PM
@NovaliumCompany But the purpose of the business guys is to convince you that it is a good idea to buy something. They should have ethical responsibility to make sure that what they promote is actually in our best interests, if not, the claim "people don't live without business guys." is dubious at best. You could argue that people live in spite of business guys.
 
Can you tell me with which one of my sentences you disagree cuz I'm a bit confused with where this is going.
 
@NovaliumCompany "People don't live without business guys" Is what I disagree with. As ACM mentioned, they typically put the value of money above actual human values. That's extremely problematic. It leads to issues like pollution and global warming (as the obvious big examples). If you can measure success with money; things like sustainability can be ignored; and that can be very dangerous for human life.
 
I'm just trying to get you to think a bit more critically about this idea that business and making money is fundamentally good and cool that shines through a lot of your utterances in here.
 
@JMac I agree with what you say.
You guys are making wrong assumptions about what I think. By "People don't live without business guys" I meant that someone has to distribute the products and manage the employees. I've never said that they do what's right or beneficial for humanity.
I am not praising business people.
 
7:56 PM
In that case, I'm sorry (and a bit confused) and you may take my ramblings as unrelated your beliefs ;P
 
@ACuriousMind No worries
 
@NovaliumCompany Business implies doing it for profit, that's where I get a bit concerned. Organized production and distribution can be really helpful; but profiting off them (and more specifically trying to maximize that profit) is where you run into trouble.
 
@JMac There are business people who are not greedy and actually care about delivering value to people. I understand the stereotype you are referring to.
 
@NovaliumCompany I'm talking just about the definition of business. It's not just making things and providing services; a business is doing that for a profit. That aspect of it very quickly seems to push business values away from human values; because a monetary profit is often not aligned with human values or well being. Business people can do good things; but that doesn't mean business itself is actually a good way forward.
 
8:12 PM
A business needs money to survive. Selling value to customers generates that income. If people don't want what the business is selling, they don't buy, the business dies. I don't see what's the problem.
 
@NovaliumCompany A big problem is that they can sell short term value to customers. The business achieves it's ultimate goal (profit); while the customers lose out in the long term. It's often more profitable to sell shorter term value to customers, as long as they don't recognize the long term negatives; which is how a lot of businesses run. It creates a bad loop where whats best for the business becomes very unaligned with what is best for people.
 
If people don't find value in what a business provides, they stop buying and the business dies.
 
Things like pollution are really tricky; because the consumer is often highly shielded from the direct impacts of those decisions; so they don't realize that they are buying something valuable in the short term but bad in the long run; while the companies profit regardless (and often more when things are only short term good).
 
I agree on the pollution part. Luckily, some smart people are making electric cars the new thing.
 
@NovaliumCompany But are they building them sustainably, or are they trying to cash in on people who want the "green" solution now and who can't account for the long term effects of that choice? Do the people making the electric cars even account for the long term affects of producing them? These are the kind of areas where it gets murky. How do you tell the people who care from the ones who want you to think they care; but bank on you not knowing?
 
8:24 PM
have you seen this movie? @NovaliumCompany
 
check it out pal
 
@JMac I'm confused where the discussion is going.
 
What I'm really trying to point out is that the whole idea of businesses and profits might really not be a long term good thing for people and their lives. It's so ingrained (especially in modernized countries/areas) that it can get hard to separate what is good from what is just "the way things are". Just because it's a part of our lives, doesn't necessarily mean it's good or necessary.
 
Can you offer a better option?
 
8:26 PM
> Capitalist production, therefore, develops technology, and the combining together of various processes into a social whole, only by sapping the original sources of all wealth-the soil and the labourer.
– Karl Marx
;-)
 
lol
 
@JMac What are you trying to prove to me? I don't understand why you are telling me these stuff.
 
@NovaliumCompany Not necessarily. Can you show that your option is actually good for the lives of humans and not actively harming them in the long run? My point is only that thinking of business as necessary could be a harmful attitude towards people in general, and being aware of it's flaws is better than just assuming they don't exist.
 
@JMac I have never said capitalism is perfect or harmless. Why are you assuming my opinions.
 
@NovaliumCompany "people don't live without business guys" is what I found problematic. It seems like a weird assumption to me. If businesses disappeared overnight, sure, we would have problems; but that's just because the system is built on that. It's not clear if we need businesses to live, or if they even really help us live in the long run, or if they are actually contributing to less life for people in long terms. Business is basically "how can I make this beneficial for me" not always "us".
 
8:34 PM
@Loong The economic part of Marxist analysis hasn't lost much of its relevance today, indeed.
 
@JMac "By "People don't live without business guys" I meant that someone has to distribute the products and manage the employees. I've never said that they do what's right or beneficial for humanity."
 
@NovaliumCompany That gets back to my original point. Distributing products and managing employees isn't unique to business. Business is doing all that for a profit. You can manage charities too.
 
What is your original point?
 
I don't see why a business needs to exist for people to live. Distribution of products and management of people can be done to achieve goals without profit required; and business is specifically about doing it for a profit; so it seems like an unnecessary requirement that businesses exist for people to live.
 
for lack of a better word: greed
 
8:44 PM
@JMac Alright. I apologize. I have stated myself wrongly. "People don't live without business guys" in terms of capitalism was what I was trying to say. I think it's obvious that people can live without business guys as our far far ancestors have shown us.
 
@NovaliumCompany That I would agree with (though with the definition of capitalism it's kinda hard to disagree). I guess what I was trying to draw attention to is the idea that pure capitalism might not be sustainable in and of itself; and so might actually be long term bad for human life. That said, it's not like we've had much luck with pure socialism either; so it's not like I'm saying I have an actual sustainable alternative.
 
@JMac I think we can both agree that the world is not perfect, and that's fine. Hopefully the superintelligence I'm planning to invent can fix our sh*t.
 
@NovaliumCompany It will go with the easy fix and just matrix us all.
... if it hasn't already.
 
xDDD
true
 
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Q: If an object is large enough and slow enough is there a point that we can say we know its position and momentum?

Bill AlseptLet’s say you have a 3000 lb vehicle moving very slow at 1 kilometer per hour. It seems obvious that you could simultaneously determine its position and momentum at any point along the way but does the uncertainty principle still apply even here? You should be able to calculate this at a future ...

I feel like the HUP is being applied incorrectly throughout this question and answers
(Ignoring the part where they are asking about a car)
 
8:54 PM
I don't know why, but I've been thinking lately - it feels like everything is a part of one huge hierarchical system. Neurons constitute a collective intelligence that represents the brain. Many brains constitute another collective intelligence system that represents humanity. And who knows, maybe the rotation and movements of planets constitute a higher collective intelligence system.
I'm a fan of the "simple things make complicated things". The way that neurons form brains, and brains form society.
 
@AaronStevens Yes, but are you suprised? It's a very common misunderstanding that the HUP refers to experimental errors.
 
I'mma goto bed, na8
 
@ACuriousMind I would expect it in the questions, but not as much in the answers. Especially from some higher rep users
 
@AaronStevens I think it's easy to react to this question with "just compute the actual uncertainty values for the car and you'll see it's irrelevant" (because that's the common answer to questions asking why the HUP isn't noticeable macroscopically) without stopping to think to correct the underlying error OP makes.
 
@ACuriousMind Right. I really think we need to call it something other than the "uncertainty principle".
 
9:02 PM
any ideas?
 
@AaronStevens One problem might be that in realist interpretations of quantum mechanics, it actually is about experimental error (but of the "unavoidable" kind)!
 
the unavoidable principle?
 
We're making an interpretive claim - that quantum mechanics is non-realist - when we explain the uncertainties in the HUP as an intrinsic property of a fully specified quantum state.
 
@SirCumference Hmmm... not so sure about that.
@AaronStevens Having a science job is not the most lucrative occupation but in general the pay is well above average.
 
@ACuriousMind I suppose so. So then the system actually does have a determined position / momentum, but our measurements cause it to become a different value.
 
9:09 PM
It's not bankster-level income...
 
And there isn't anything you can do to escape it
 
Sorry to ask out of nowhere but does anyone like point-set topology?
if i have a subset $S$ of a topological space, is the set of isolated points of $S$ a subset of $\partial S$?
$\partial S$ denoting the boundary
 
@AaronStevens I'm a bit out of water here, but I don't think e.g. Bohmians think measurements influence the value of the particle being measured, just the guiding waves. The different outcomes of repeated measurements are due to unavoidable imperfect preparation of the initial state.
@SirCumference No. E.g. the circumference of a circle is not a set of isolated points!
 
i meant that isolated points would always need to be boundary points
tho not all boundary points would be isolated
 
Ah, I misread, sorry
 
9:20 PM
Googling says "yes", though by my logic "not limit point" $\Rightarrow$ "boundary point" would need to imply (by contraposition) "not boundary point" $\Rightarrow$ "limit point"
i.e. interior and exterior points would need to be limit points
though google says that's false
 
@SirCumference It is not true in an arbitrary topological space
Take the space of one point where the point is both open and closed. Then the isolated points of the space are non-empty, but the boundary is empty.
I think it is true if you assume that the total space does not contain isolated points.
 
@ACuriousMind Ahh, makes sense, thanks
Topology has so many terms ;-;
 
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Q: Calculate force exerced to stop a falling barbell by straps

SarahProblem Consider a weightlifting bar with total mass $2m$, that is positioned in a height $h$ over two so called safety straps as in this video. Then the bar should fall straight down onto the safety straps. Now I want to calculate (in dependence of $h$ and $2m$) the maximum force exerted b...

Anyone got any comments/suggestions about the above question?
 
avoid weightlifting :P
 
9:36 PM
@skullpatrol haha. The OP is looking for feedback on her analysis.
 
3 pending close votes, close review not yet completed. Seems somewhere between "check-my-work" and "peer-review-this" to me, neither of which is really on-topic for us
 
@ACuriousMind Yes I agree. That's why I suggested discussing it in the chatrooms.
 
Ah, I see
 
She has modelled the bar as a Hooke's-Law spring in order to estimate maximum force on the straps. Is this a reasonable approximation?
 
psa
Why is that $T_{max}$? Why wouldn't it be at 3? 2-3 is adiabatic, and 4-1 is isothermal.
 
9:51 PM
@sammygerbil No idea - weightlifting both theoretical and practical is outside my area of expertise ;)
 
psa
3-4 is constant pressure and 1-2 is constant volume, if it's unclear
 
10:16 PM
is it me or there is a local surge in the number of posts to reopen where the OP makes not attempt to,modify the question in accordance to the reason for which it was closed?
I mean: a question is closed because it’s a duplicate and the OP edits an equation with no attempt to show how his/her question is not a duplicate...
 
@ZeroTheHero Many OPs do not realise that the first edit after closure automatically triggers a reopen review (because this is sadly more of a hidden feature), so their edits aren't always intended to be edits to get the question reopened.
 
That’s something to improve at the SE level. I feel kinda sad and annoyed going through this queue and seeing inconsequential edits.
 
To find this feature as an asker, you have to click on the "off-topic" in the closing notice to land at this page, then scroll to the bottom to arrive at how to reopen it
But given that people wouldn't be asking so many off-topic questions if they read the rules first, it seems unrealistic to hope that a significant fraction of askers of closed questions ever get that far. The question is whether that's a feature or a bug :P
 
10:34 PM
good point...
 
why is zero your hero? :^)
 
it’s really from the Gong albums...
plus it’s a “good” name for this kind of forum.
 
lol
 
not so much the “hero” part...
but if you’re gonna pick a name with “zero” in it then it might as well be that one.
I considered “Honorable Schoolboy” in honour of the John LeCarre novel...
but I’m not sure I would pass as honorable and I’m no longer a schoolboy.
 
"divide by zero" was popular also
 
10:38 PM
yeah but that’s kinda overly geeky.
ZeroTheHero... the mythological aspect of the character in the trilogy... it just happened that way.
 
hmm
 
Plus I don’t think is a “serious” name.
I mean: I do serious at work all the time so I wasn’t looking for something too deep.
 
@ZeroTheHero It's not a Black Sabbath reference?!
 
I do not know of a Black Sabbath reference to ZtH...
 
10:42 PM
Oh man... I gotta check that out.
I’m afraid I’m not into this kind of music. I stopped at Deep Purple.
but I will check it out.
 
Smoke on the water is a classic.
 
Burn, Highway Star, Lazy...
I don’t play the keyboard but the sound of Jon Lord...
and others keyboard players like Rick Wright or the early Tony Banks sound...
@ACuriousMind there was also this quite good German band “a la Pink Floyd” called Eloy...
Silent Cries and mighty echoes...
Oceans...
good vibes in there.
but really... in terms of jazz-progressive-fusion-rock... Gong is unbeatable.
(Some of it anyways... not so sure about the early albums...)
 
@ZeroTheHero Never heard of them! Although I do like me some Pink Floyd, so might check them out...
 
At some point they were more popular than “The Police” in Germany..
 
All a bit before my time :)
 
10:53 PM
yes... the core era of progressive rock.
I have to leave... be well.
 
cya pal
 
11:46 PM
is there a convenient name for "limit points of a set that are also elements of the set"?
 
@SirCumference I don't think so. Why do you need a name?
 
be like Feynman and make one up :-)
 
@ACuriousMind Since there are a bunch of terms, I figure the easiest way to very quickly recognize a word's meaning (in terms of intuition) is to place them in categories. E.g. we can partition a space into interior, boundary and exterior points of a space
Then I ran into problems when I tried saying "you can partition a space into limit and isolated points", since isolated points (must be in the set) are technically not the opposite of limit points (need not be in set)
My god this is painful
There's got to be an easy way to keep track of all these asterisks
 
@SirCumference I think the intuitive "name" for a "limit point that's not in the set" is "point in the boundary that is not in the set"...
 

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