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Q: When it comes to the Suggested Edits queue, what would you consider a healthy ratio of accept-to-reject?

Some data first. As of today, there have been 27636 suggested edits: 23490 have been approved, 4146 have been rejected, 6873 were improved. The top 20 reviewers have the following stats: What do you people think of these statistics? are we too lenient when it comes to suggested edits? or t...

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7:33 PM

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Q: Should questions about the first use of a notation be on topic?

Qmechanic and I disagree on the topicality of "Where do Feynman Diagrams Appear for the first time?", so I wanted to bring the issue to meta to get input from the community. It could be considered a historical question, which speaks to it being off topic, but it's also asking for the work which i...

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"Trapped ghosts as sources for wormholes"

what kind of ghostbuster shit is this

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Anonymous

@BalarkaSen Which two are the eyes? ;)

both

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@BernardoMeurer @ACuriousMind @EmilioPisanty

7:47 PM

@DanielSank gaming the internet's love for cats in hopes of an hbar star, are we?

Nope.

=P

I just found our office kitchen's white board absolutely hilarious and though you would too.

There's a story behind CatFax. See my thesis acknowledgements for a hint.

@DanielSank ah, will give it a look when I'm at a bit more leisure ;-)

k

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Anonymous

9:49 PM

"He got the job through competence and talent, and lost it by being a raging asshole."

why isn't there an encyclopedia dramatica on lubos

Mithrandir24601

@Blue I wouldn't exactly say that loosing a job in such a way is 'competence' :P

Anonymous

@Mithrandir24601 Well, there are some people who are really skilled in their field but have terrible behaviour. Perhaps the "competence" refers to the technical skills/knowledge there. As far as I am concerned, I value respectful attitude more than intellect. Raw intellect doesn't impress me much.

@BalarkaSen People are working on it.

Mithrandir24601

@Blue I would then make the argument that if someone's as smart as they say they are (yet still somehow holds such views), they would at least realise that publicly announcing such views would quickly lead to them no longer having a job

Anonymous

9:55 PM

There are different categories of smartness clearly. :)

Mithrandir24601

Though, yeah definitely, attitude $\gg$ 'intellect' :)

@lılostafa oh lawdy lawdy lawdy

@Blue It is stated in the article above that he actually lost his stringy research position at Harvard as a result of his Lorentzian behavior.

Anonymous

@lılostafa Ya, I saw ;P

Anonymous

"Lorentzian" lol

9:58 PM

he needs some wick rotation now and then

He is a (very) good physicist though

Mithrandir24601

@lılostafa And he is the most arrogant person I've ever heard of

Anonymous

I suppose Ron Maimon is similar example (well, perhaps a bit less arrogant)

Anonymous

Interesting...both are related to Harvard :P

@Mithrandir24601 check out Harry Gindi

encyclopediadramatica.rs/Harry_Gindi

Mithrandir24601

10:10 PM

@BalarkaSen Nah, he just appears to have issues :P

@Blue lol, the main contributors of that page are Peter Woit and Ed Witten

10:28 PM

There's a level of bittnerness in the Scientific method part of this page that I have the fairly strong feeling it was written by a mathematician

has anyone here read PAM dirac's principles of quantum mechanics

if so can anyone tell me if it's safe to skip the entirely word based intro chapter on polarisation

I just want this for the algebra

Mithrandir24601

Brilliant: "See how wrong the hypothesis was. Obviously, the physicist is wrong. There is the off-chance that the hypothesis may have been right. In this case, fifteen minutes of fame will ensue before another physicist shows the hypothesis to have been wrong after all. The original physicist may still console himself with the fact that this other physicist will eventually himself be proven wrong as well."

wait whats the deal with the dude linked above

isn't he an SE user?

So... I'm not sure if you all are just joking but the stuff up there looks really bad... Is there a reason we're making disparaging remarks about women in science, even if they're quotes?

The definition of quoting means that it isn't a remark

I could quote Mein Kampf but it wouldn't mean I agree with it

But you're also not arguing against them, which implies that you agree with them. It's one thing to cite them as examples of how horrible people have been towards women in science but all you are doing is laughing about them.

10:35 PM

not to be rude but why the intervention anyway? Beside the fact that saying that one disagrees should be implicit

fyi: I canceled the stars. Out of context, in the starred message list, it really did not look good.

(beyond that, I'll let Catija continue the discussion unless she wants me to butt in)

Guilherme Nascimento

@lılostafa (sorry my invasion) I believe that it was not all the men who made science evolve, but only a few. In other words, it is idependent of the genre, those who make a good science are a few exceptional human beings and not the genre. But it's just my opinion. -- Have a good day :)

jesus..

lol, Why is the room flooded with mods?!

@Phase The chat message was flagged and when flagged, out of context, it sounds very bad. That brought it to my attention, so I came in to see what else was being said. I'm intervening because I find it disheartening to find these things being said... like the statement "women are subjective and irrational -- I knew it!" which does not seem to be a quote.

10:39 PM

Obviously not, Noether made instrumental mathematics etc, no-one is arguing that women suck

That's just a joke.

and it's obviously a joke, BECAUSE OF the previous quote

No. It's not. Those sort of jokes are exactly why women feel unwelcome in the STEM fields.

If you read the previous QUOTE, you'd see it

I would urge you to keep in mind that not all jokes are obviously jokes to all audiences, and that not all jokes are in good taste in a general audience (which chat is).

Also keep in mind that, although there was some degree of context originally, the message was starred, and presented to many people out of context.

You guys are clearly not familiar with how PSE scientists communicate, specially here in The h Bar ;)

I would urge people to remember that this is a chat room with regulars of both genders, with it's own internal moderation and that random mods flooding in to pile on the same dead horse

is a little..

10:41 PM

was I flagged

I was at the store and not paying attention

Clearly whatever that has been said here is indicating of the fact that the person who made the quote, namely, Lubos Motl, is a total crank and male supremacist

Please keep in mind that you are on Stack Exchange and SE just this week released a blog post about women in tech and are actively campaigning to be inclusive. As such, that sort of implies that these sort of jokes fail the "Be Nice" test.

@0ßelö7 you're keeping women out of Stem stop it

The joke wasn't baseless or random though.

He was making the joke directly because of the quote above

LOL

Which listed rationality and objectivity as male traits

10:42 PM

yikes

the PC police is gunning for us

Let's not get too carried away, folks. Catija's just asking for some consideration for others' feelings.

Catija isn't asking for consideration, basically just policing other chatrooms with zero knowledge of the dynamics, attributing the lack of women in science with jokes make inside a community

Well, it's not reasonable to expect everytime someone quotes a stupid male supremacist comment by someone everyone has to say "Ugh, that's so disgusting". It's stupid, and the fact that we made fun of that quote implies it.

@BalarkaSen And I completely understand that. I read the context, and I get that y'all were making fun of him. It's fine.

"Nariai lambdavacuum; this is the only solution in general relativity, other than the Bertotti–Robinson electrovacuum, which has a Cartesian product structure."

what

10:45 PM

What you really don't want is to star the message out of context and leave it there for people to think "...were they serious?", and it's not an amazing idea to defend the general notion that jokes are always ok.

@BalarkaSen Part 1 is completely polished. Do you want to read it?

That's true, I don't know who tf starred it. Don't star controversial quotes out of context, man

@Phase If I were "policing" I would have deleted the message rather than asking for a discussion. I'd appreciate the benefit of the doubt. I don't think I've done anything to be chided for.

You've made sweeping statements but sure

So, seriously, everything's fine, we're not here gunning for anyone. We just saw a bunch of flags and stepped on each others' toes a little jumping into the room. Carry on, just take the reminder to be cautious in the future about how what you say will look to others, including people who aren't h bar regulars :)

10:47 PM

god, who is starring this crap

It must be Lubos

Taking it apart from the inside

@Jefromi Oh, so there were flags.

lmao

Wonderful.

@AccidentalFourierTransform

10:47 PM

Who are these mysterious flaggers

@0ßelö7 would've thought you'd be used to them by now smh

@0ßelö7 Yes, but not on your post.

Yes, there were flags, because there was an out-of-context sexist quote at the top of your list of starred messages.

@Phase I don't know who keeps flagging me either

I have to wonder

10:48 PM

Who was flagged? Which message?

The people who've starred like everything written by the external mods

Were they by any chance

the external mods?

agreed

So what I'm going to do now is remove all the stars on all of the meta-discussion here, and see if y'all can just go back to business as usual.

pls dont make conspiracy theories

the mods probably conspired to drown out the star board with their own messages

10:49 PM

What if the external mods

put chemicals in the water

oh the stars are being reversed

Where's ACM?

that are turning the fricking frogs gay

this is interesting

everyone, upvote my hilbert comment

kek

10:50 PM

make it dominate

I have already starred it

That's my only star on the star panel

I starred it

You have my star, my liege

@BalarkaSen I watched a documentary on Einstein and Hilbert said that to him

the sickest burn of the 20th century

enjoy your friday and your physics and your dividing by 2pi or tau as you see fit, folks

Wasn't that the first nuclear bomb?

10:51 PM

this was worse

there are more physicists in the world than Japanese civilians in those two cities

What about the classic

"There is no god and Dirac is his prophet"

its friendlier but

wait what's the metric for "burn"

Does it have to put people on suicide watch?

@BalarkaSen what even are exotic spheres

how do I construct one

made a sphere out of ruby

uh

Shouldnt that be

@lılostafa huh?

@lılostafa I see what you did there

10:53 PM

or was that the joke

Exotic spheres are total bullshit because they're not constructible

@Phase isn't that backwards

Like you can't express the atlas for an exotic sphere

@0ßelö7 im not dealing with your shit son

@Slereah you can construct exotic spheres

10:54 PM

what about my pee son

I have two sons

Sure, there's a process for it

But can u write down the formula

Milnor did it

link plz

He actually constructed the transition functions

Milnor ain't shit

10:55 PM

Also Milnor?

Of the Milnor spacetime?

you're the only one who has a literal book on exact spacetimes

@0ßelö7 why are your images always like 2 meme's behind the meta

are you some kind of reverse hipster

speedin' bullet to the heaven pchank maths.ed.ac.uk/~aar/papers/exotic.pdf

Or just a classical man

@Phase I don't go for meme magic. I just like funny pictures

what's a current meme?

Mithrandir24601

10:56 PM

<rant> I've gotta ask, as it's been nearly a day: I wrote an answer to this question stating that (Why didn't they just vote to close the proposal?) CS and TCS "should cover Quantum Computing topics". (No actual question, of course).

I then wrote an answer explaining why this isn't the case, only to get downvoted for something that wasn't 'asked' in the 'question'. It wasn't relevant to the question, but a valid concern, so I fixed my answer up and... Dead silence :/ </rant>

@0ßelö7 the meme goes skrrrra

baka boom boom ting

@Phase I lol'd out loud

Mithrandir24601

So, I wanna know: what's wrong with my answer?

@0ßelö7 is kind of like every vocal fringe group put into one with a singular purpose of pushing dangerous maths on impressionable young physicists

Like taking the anger and loudness of Flat Earth, AntiVaxx and Lubos Motl and combining it under one, Evil banner

prove me wrong ocelot

with your devil math

"There are 28 distinct (non-diffeomorphic) 7-dimensional Milnor spheres"

Mama mia

I'm agnostic on those things

10:58 PM

pitza ria

Anonymous

@Mithrandir24601 I don't see anything wrong. Perhaps they just disagree with your proposal (for whatever reason)

exotic structures on $S^n$ form a group actualky

This is too much math to read rn though

It's the end of the week

I need my beauty sleep

@BalarkaSen has anyone worked out the character table?

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