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12:26 AM
@dmckee, thanks for your advice on how to check the stability of one of my state variables that apparently settled into some final value. I wrote some simple functions that stops the integrator, so that I can perturb the state variable a little bit, and then run the solver again, using the final values from the first call to the solver as the initial conditions for the second call to the solver.
Do you think I should perturb all state variables, or just the one state variable of interest? And, what's a "standard" amount to perturb the variable by, before concluding that the solutions are stable / unstable? Is there a common benchmark? @dmckee
 
12:38 AM
@JohnRennie I made amazing fried rice
 
12:48 AM
I have never fried rice.
 
@CaptainBohemian Why not?
 
don't know. Probably because I don't really like to eat fried ice. or because don't know how to fry. Actually I have never fried anything. I usually eat in eateries.
 
How old are you?
 
or maybe because I have never had my own kitchen.
 
 
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3:08 AM
@0celo7, did you put kimchi in it? I love kimchi fried rice ... yummm ...
 
@D.Hutchinson I did not
 
well, enjoy @0celo7 :) -- I'm off to get some chicken fingers + fries, since I'm too lazy to cook
 
3:28 AM
@GPhys How's your GR going?
 
Assume a conformal willmoore spherical cow
 
@GPhys I'm verifying a "computational lemma"
it involves some quantities which aren't really defined so I'm having to check the lemma
if what I think they mean pans out, then I'm good...
 
4:01 AM
@0celo7 it's a lemma in the physicist sense, i see
 
@Semiclassical chasing a sign
 
living on a prayer
(ugh, signs)
 
@Semiclassical if it makes you feel better I'm using the same symbol for only morally equivalent functions :)
 
4:19 AM
@0celo7 take home exam this week
only allowed to use carroll's book, class notes, and homework
 
> only allowed to use carroll's book
 
two problems with a lot of parts on each of them, one of them is on geometric optics in curved spacetime and the other is on a "perturbation about a curved background"
I'll tell about them if you want after we turn in the exam
 
"Our result casts doubts on reponed early journeys to the Moon. "
oh no
@Semiclassical chasing down a damn lemma and I find this
what am I doing with my life
 
uhhhhhh
yeeah
 
It's in a paper in Class. Quant. Grav. (one of the top math.ph journals)
 
4:29 AM
publication date?
 
'93
 
also, should that have been 'reported early journeys'?
 
yeah, the text wasn't copying correctly from the pdf
 
that's always annoying
 
I don't want to read the paper rn, just need to get these signs straight
 
4:31 AM
but jeeze
 
then I can add that paper to the neverending bibliography for this "easy summer project"
 
i guess maybe CQG's editorial standards haven't always been so high?
 
@Semiclassical I think it's a joke.
The title is "On journeys to the moon by balloon"
 
it's certainly a Poe's law problem
 
But it's a paper on analysis
 
4:32 AM
...lol
yeah, maybe it's tongue in cheek
hopefully
very hopefully
 
It's a short paper, I will definitely read it
but they don't prove the lemma there either
 
that's kinda irritating
 
@Semiclassical it should be a calculation but I've got a sign issue
all the other terms cancel out so I don't think I made a sign error :/
 
@0celo7 I watched the first 3 episodes of it (the new season). As you said, the premise was hilarious; thanks for that xD
 
@lılostafa I need a fatwa if it can get me Elizabeth Banks :D
 
4:37 AM
@0celo7 Fatwa boys :D
 
sign issues are a realm of suffering unto themselves
it's bad enough when you're checking your own work. it's worse when you're checking someone else's published work, because you're having to constantly argue with yourself over whether they did it wrong or you're just going crazy
(calculations involving imaginary time versus real time are especially annoying in that regard, ugh.)
 
halp with getting access?
 
do you have access?
 
oh, right. i do if i log in through my university library site
 
4:47 AM
@Semiclassical Like it gives you a link to an actual article?
 
i have mathscinet access
dunno bout the article itself
 
Oh
My library has a copy
I don't really want to go the library right now...
ugh how annoying
 
you might not be able to check it out regardless. i think old foreign translated articles are usually bound up as volumes
 
I just need to figure out what's up with this sign
 
though presumably you can get a xerox of it
what sign hell are you having to wade through, out of curiousity
 
4:52 AM
 
If $\tau$ is really $\int_X \sigma$, then I've got it
 
but not $\int^X=-\int_X$?
 
precisely
 
4:54 AM
I get a term $\sigma+\sigma$, roughly
if it's $\sigma-\sigma$...
 
and you want it to cancel
Which paper is that from?
I should mention, i guess, that Wikipedia does mention 'pohozaev's identity' in the context of its page on Derrick's theorem
 
@Semiclassical Simon's article here
 
there's actually an arXiv version of that last one
"proven by straightforward computation"
fffffff
 
@Semiclassical He has a special case in a previous paper
I'm checking to see if the signs match up
 
5:17 AM
@Semiclassical ayy lmao there are more signs
@Semiclassical yeah this is a troll paper
there's sign changes in every equation
 
11.2 has a sign change
and the then equation for $X$ below the lemma does
not really sure what's what any more
 
well, good luck. i'm going to go sleep
 
cheers
@JohnRennie are you not curious what was in my amazing fried rice?
 
5:43 AM
@0celo7 sorry for the latency - checking servers. What was in the fried rice?
I must admit I like fried rice.
One of the local chip shops sells fried rice, chips (French fries) and curry. And after an evenings drinking it is delicious, though I'm not sure you would want to try it sober.
 
@JohnRennie Well the trick was making it with the remaining teriyaki of course
then some fried onions, chilis, and an egg
the teriyaki had veggies so it wasn't a John Rennie meal
and then I roasted some brussel sprouts because what the hell
 
I don't think I've ever cooked fried rice myself. Do you boil the rice separately then mix in the ingredients and fry it?
 
@JohnRennie yeah
I also used sesame oil and butter
it was preeeeeeetty good
 
Everything tastes better fried in butter :-)
 
5:50 AM
that plate situation seems precarious
 
Sid
That has to be one of the most delicious dishes I have ever tried.
 
Cue argument about whether that's a biryani or a pilaf :-)
 
Sid
@JohnRennie Nope, not a Pulav. Those have typically less spices.
(And Biryani is much better than Pulav)
 
@Sid we had a long argument a few months back about te difference between a biryani and a pulav. The impression I got was that the words mean different things in different parts of India, because we ended up with students from different parts of India arguing with each other about what a biryani was.
 
Sid
@JohnRennie Pulav usually lacks turmeric(I think) while Biryani is far more spicier(hence, tastier) than Pulav.
Also, at least in this part of the world, Pulav is associated more with veggies than meat.
 
6:05 AM
I get the impression biryani is more of a special meal.
 
Sid
@JohnRennie It sort of is, yeah. The type of meal, you might have once a month or something but would be willing to shell out a large sum to eat it
(It's not too healthy to eat it all the time or something.)
 
6:24 AM
I decided to cook Abgoosht for lunch. I realized that I had soaked way too much chickpeas yesterday. Don't know what to do with the extra chickpeas now :/
 
Make choley!
 
 
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7:55 AM
sometimes I wish the SE mathjax font was a little closer to computer modern
the one used is a little harder on my eyes for indexes
 
 
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9:14 AM
@GPhys try changing the math renderer
right click on the math, then Math Settings > Math Renderer
there's a bunch of different ones and some of them use different fonts
 
@JohnRennie I'm gonna try it. Is this a good recipe? : mallikabasu.com/2015/11/09/choley-masala
I don't have some of the fancy ingredients though
like the mango powder
 
@lılostafa that looks a nice recipe. There are loads of different varients of choley. If you take a base of chickpea and fried onion, ginger and garlic you can add pretty much any spices you want.
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9:37 AM
@EmilioPisanty Thanks, that helps actually!
 
9:53 AM
@0celo7 I will claim to understand infinity at least in the ways that matter to using it like Euler et al
only because this was the topic of my mathematics thesis...
nonstandard analysis is surprisingly natural once you learn the rules
 
10:45 AM
$$\alpha_{GO}(0) + \text{Physics} = ?$$
 
11:25 AM
Is there a sort of intuitive way to understand why the BCS density of states has its characteristic coherence peaks at the edge of the gap? (inspirehep.net/record/1254739/files/cleanscDOS.png) Is it fair to sort of think of it as the 'missing' density in the gap being shoved into those peaks? Or can someone offer a better picture
 
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@ACuriousMind Are you here?
 
user84215
11:43 AM
Is there any moderator here?
 
abcd: How's your study going?
 
@Secret Hey! Studies are fine, better than around 2 months before surely.
 
Received that breadboarding kit and I already fried two LEDs!
Yikes!
sensitive little buggers
 
Slereah: Red or IR LEDs? What's the working voltage?
 
Red.
One of them I accidentally short circuited
the other I'm not sure
 
11:56 AM
Well, working voltages of reds are typically 1-2 V, thus they tend to fry easily
 
The power supply is nominally 5V but it seems to only output 2-3 when measured
 
2-3 V is typically enough to fry most LEDs in the red and yellow ranges
 
I need to get better tips for my voltmeter
It's a bit awkward to measure it with those big spikes
 
12:09 PM
@MathematicsAminPhysics Now I am.
 
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12:23 PM
@ACuriousMind Can you edit one of my messages and add some messages in one of my my rooms?
 
@MathematicsAminPhysics Editing and deleting messages after the time limit is generally reserved for exceptional cases, like removing sensitive information, inappropriate choice of words or similar.
 
I have very inappropriate words
Do you want to hear some of them
 
Are they French?
 
Some of them, yes
 
@Slereah What are you building?
 
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12:28 PM
@ACuriousMind So you can not add messages. Right?
 
Nothing
Just learning electronics
It's been a while since I've done electronics
I need a refresher
I have successfully done the "light a diode" and "light a diode with a button" so far
v. good
Going beyond that is a bit tricky because I'm not 100% sure of the voltage I'm getting
I need to get one of those adapters for a 9V battery
that's what most tutorials use
Also they use a lot of random resistance values that I don't have
 
Ah, I fondly remember the electronics kit I had as a kid
 
i'm also waiting on a arduino kit which should be neat
 
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@ACuriousMind Can moderators add messages?
 
@MathematicsAminPhysics I don't quite understand what you mean by "add". If you mean whether we can retroactively add a message between two messages already posted, then no.
 
12:35 PM
I don't think even the SE staff can add messages between two old ones, I think...
 
Well I'm sure the staff could manually insert something in the database
 
user84215
@ACuriousMind Ok. Thanks.
 
Sometimes I do it on my site when I can't be arsed to write more code to do it properly
 
@0celo7 You prefer the weird world where cardinalities cannot be linearly ordered to a world where the only weirdness are nonmeasurable sets? :P
 
@Secret It's a safe bet to assume the developers can do anything they want (but usually won't).
 
user84215
12:38 PM
@ACuriousMind So I should ask community managers to do it for me?
 
No
Give up
 
@MathematicsAminPhysics No, they won't do it.
 
it needs to end with a file format
 
1:10 PM
@GPhys I like Terry Tao's description of nonstandard analysis as a form of 'epsilon management' here
(though I'll confess I've never tried to understand the entirety of that post, since i have the luxury of never having to think about epsilon-delta arguments in what i do)
 
1:29 PM
@Semiclassical I'm somewhat surprised the internal set theory approach to nonstandard analysis hasn't grown more popular. I suppose in some sense it's more of a commitment, but I like the advantage of how you think about things in your head
In internal set theory instead of constructing the new numbers you add axioms to form a conservative extension of ZFC that adds the new numbers to existing sets
 
@Semiclassical actual epsilon delta arguments are rare in practice
 
so it lets you have infinitely large numbers in the set of natural numbers without changing the definition of natural numbers - you just added the axioms that gave you the language to talk about the numbers that were "always there" (in some sense)
the primary thing you sacrifice is specification becomes a more subtle thing so that "the set of infinitely large natural numbers" may not exist (and in fact it doesn't)
This is not quite as big a deal as it seems
 
@0celo7 you say that, but judging from the Terry Tao article that's not entirely true
i particularly have the second paragraph in mind
and this remark later on: "s a concrete example from my own experience, in one of my PDE papers with the “I-team” (Colliander, Keel, Staffilani, Takaoka, and myself), we had a rather severe epsilon management problem in our “hard analysis” arguments, requiring in fact seven very different small quantities $1 \gg \eta_0 \gg \ldots \gg \eta_6 > 0$, with each $\eta_i$ extremely small compared with the previous one."
 
@Semiclassical Well...yeah, they tend to be disguised as other things. I was reading a paper where they had to choose a radius carefully to apply a noncollapsing theorem. But those arguments are pretty complicated and I don't think nonstandard analysis would help...
@Semiclassical Huh. Well I did say "rare".
 
the impression i get is that nonstandard analysis can be used to make the arguments simpler but at the cost of the bounds being qualitative rather than quantitative.
 
1:37 PM
@Semiclassical In the talk I'm giving in two weeks, the key argument is actually that one knows exactly what the smallest number $C$ is such that an inequality $||x||_1\le C||x||_2$ is always true.
It's pretty crazy
 
right
so you need that sharp quantitative bound
 
Mhm
 
Did you manage to pin that sign issue down?
 
@Semiclassical Well, I'm not quite sure. I can verify the actual Pohozaev identity that he needs for the virial theorem, but not what he wrote there. Getting the $X,\sigma,\tau$ into the form he needs requires more signs
So the end result is true, but I suspect he wants a minus sign in front of that integral
 
so maybe an error in the original paper
 
1:42 PM
No, no. The original paper is fine. I think he messed up the generalization.
I'll think more about it later
 
A very Happy Diwali to all the Physics SE members!
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@0celo7 well, an error in the paper where he did the generalization is what I meant
 
😤
 
2:00 PM
@Semiclassical It's all quite confusing because you integrate out from the center of the star but that's where stuff is highest so the integrals sometimes get minus signs
too many signs
 
yeesh
 
2:22 PM
 
2:35 PM
@0celo7 @Slereah A question for you?
 
I already left a comment!
 
Ah, I see
Not interesting enough to write an answer, though? :P
 
Well it's one of those questions where a good answer might be long to write
and that paper is pretty much entirely about the topic
 
the coordinate dependence is interesting
are there multiple valid conformal compactifications of Minkowski?
 
a nice point of internal set theory is that it is more clear how you use the framework for things completely unrelated to analysis
(in fact it just as natural to try such a thing)
 
2:52 PM
@0celo7 Btw, happy birthday!
(I think)
 
thanks
@ACuriousMind you risked the bad luck!?
 
I will give you Steenrod for your birthday
Nah, just kidding
(Never)
 
@0celo7 Given the evidence, I was reasonably confident I was correct
 
I'm perhaps being a bit of a dick to the guy in the MSE chat room right now, but ffs
 
I'm pretty sure there's a wide variety of conformal compactifications of Minkowski space
Where you just switch the conformal factor to another one of the same type
 
2:56 PM
Getting the potential V(x) from a solution to the time-independent Schrodinger equation is not hard. at all
 
@Semiclassical You know that sorta compels me to look over there, right? :P
 
The $\mathbb R \to I$ kind
 
happy birthday @0celo7 :)
Don't want solution. Only want to know how the tangential acceleration of the pulley = it's downward acceleration.
 
I no longer have any idea what's going on. @ACuriousMind
 

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