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12:37 AM
darn
 
 
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2:26 AM
Hii @heather
 
@koolman, hello
 
Can we talk on that site or here
About that issue
 
i'm writing a private message back, one moment
that sort of thing is private; i wouldn't want others to know unless you are okay with it.
 
@MetaEd You around?
 
2:45 AM
@heather yeah , I am waiting for that
 
@koolman, sent
sorry that took me a bit, my mom wanted me to do some stuff
 
Recieved
 
respond (if you wish) wherever you'd like. please do consider adding more work to your questions.
 
@heather done
 
3:14 AM
heard is was @JamalS 's birthday, have a good one bro
also @KyleKanos i have progress quest on the other tab open right now thanks to you >.< an sad day for productivity
 
@BernardMeurer Can be, what's up?
 
4
Q: Economic reasons for keeping quantum gravity theory secret?

robuyaSuppose that some big company R&D discovers quantum gravity theory. Is there any economic reason they would keep the discovery secret? Maybe producing some new products or giving them competitive advantage into making better existing products. I'm asking is there anything commercially useful if...

Oh, Worldbuilding...
Obligatory nudge @HDE226868 - is that even a "worldbuilding" question? Is it science-based?
 
>a company discovering quantum gravity
They have a pretty optimistic view of industrial sciences
 
3:29 AM
@Slereah Well, if these companies existed, I know where you'd be working ;)
 
companies are more about condensed matter physics
 
Although "TimeHoppers Inc." might be more your thing
 
they all want tiny electronics
Well there's a few GR related "companies"
Like I think Harold White "works for" warp drive inc.
the only sort of jobs like that is once in a while when some company decides to do some theoretical work for blue sky applications
Usually on a very tiny budget
NASA had one about 20 years ago
It was 1.6 million dollars to evaluate like 50 different future technologies
 
Sounds...tiny, yeah
 
Well you're not gonna blow a lot of money for stuff that 1) most of which is probably unworkable 2) won't give any results for 50 years or so
 
3:35 AM
I know, I know
 
IIRC Krasnikov worked for a project like that
On time travel and FTL stuff
lucky man
Being paid to make up weird spacetimes is my dream job
 
@ACuriousMind I hadn't seen that yet; thanks.
 
@HDE226868 It's hot.
::sigh::
 
Okay, let me think.
 
I'm not sure I could even think of a reasonable application for quantum gravity even in a far future setting
QG regime is pretty bloody high
 
3:46 AM
@ACuriousMind Okay, comments made, people influenced, question hopefully improved.
Yeah, I would say it's about worldbuilding. I can see an interesting story springing up around that.
Not one well-based in science, of course, but a story nonetheless, for those of us who know nothing of current progress towards a theory of quantum gravity.
Thank you for commenting, by the way. There are some cases where some pointers from "our friends over on Physics Stack Exchange", so to speak, are useful, and this was one.
 
@TheStackExchange doremon
 
user116211
4:06 AM
Ah! Many happy returns of the day @JamalS; may The Force be with you.
 
user116211
@JamalS yeh; there is a recent craze on Westworld; many questions have come on this in Movies&TV.
 
4:58 AM
@MAFIA36790 o/
 
user116211
@DanielSank \o
 
user246160
5:14 AM
@koolman Yeah :-D
 
user246160
@JamalS Happy Birthday!!!
 
@JohnRennie:
> "During the last 11 hours between 9:30 pm and 8:30 am, Chennai has received 57 mm of rain. Chennai rains are likely to increase during the landfall as the severe cyclonic storm gets closer. Schools in Chennai and other adjoining areas are closed today in view of the cyclonic storm. The residents have been advised to stay indoors and keep their phones charged."
Yeeaah, that laptop's not getting here today.
 
user246160
@Kaumudi.H I love such weather btw :-D
 
(I tried to upload a video but it's taking too long. In a little bit, the trees near my home may actually fall. Windspeed: 120 Km/hr. It would be terrifying, but we had floods for about 2 weeks last year, so not so much. In any case, I don't think it's going to make it here today)
 
user246160
5:29 AM
@Kaumudi.H Video of what ?
 
user246160
Storm ?
 
5:44 AM
@JamalS happy birthday
 
@Kaumudi.H :-((((((((((
 
Ikr? :'-(
@TheStackExchange Yeah.
 
@Kaumudi.H Cyclone Vardah!!!
 
Yep. They say that it will be worse in the afternoon (It's 11:20 AM now). Fingers crossed. In any case, don't u think they ought to update the page or contact either of us if this will indeed cause a delay?
(Gosh, I hope nobody dies. There are a lot of "paper houses" here...)
 
user246160
@Kaumudi.H :( Is it that bad in Chennai ?
 
user246160
5:53 AM
What are paper houses ?
 
Yeah, it's pretty bad. Well, by "paper houses", I mean houses that are made from thatched straw and thin sheets of tin.
 
^ That's correct, right?
@TheStackExchange Awesome (← Heavy Sarcasm)
 
user246160
@Kaumudi.H What does dBZ mean ?
 
user246160
Any idea ?
 
user246160
6:08 AM
@Kaumudi.H Looks ok
 
dBZ?
 
user246160
@Kaumudi.H See the image
 
user246160
Thats seems like a graph of wind velocity
 
> "dBZ stands for decibel relative to Z."
 
user246160
6:09 AM
What does B stand for ? :P
 
user246160
And what is Z ?
 
> "It is a logarithmic dimensionless technical unit used in radar, mostly in weather radar, to compare the equivalent reflectivity factor (Z) of a radar signal reflected off a remote object (in mm6 per m3) to the return of a droplet of rain with a diameter of 1 mm (1 mm6 per m3)."
Dude. Use Google! -__-
@Doraemonドラえもん OK, thanks :-)
 
user246160
@Kaumudi.H I'm lazy..duh!
 
user246160
@Kaumudi.H Went over my head
 
@Doraemonドラえもん K Doraemon bhai.
 
user246160
6:11 AM
@Kaumudi.H NAND CAT. KK.
 
user246160
What the hell is "to compare the equivalent reflectivity factor (Z) of a radar signal"
 
@Doraemonドラえもん dragon ball Z
 
user246160
Weather Scientists seem to be Hi-Tech Physicists! My gosh!
 
user246160
@koolman naaaa
 
6:15 AM
@Doraemonドラえもん why
 
user246160
We are talking about cyclones here
 
user246160
:-D
 
@Doraemonドラえもん Kyu yr mujhe pooch rahe ho? Do I come across as a person who has extensively studied meteorology?
@JohnRennie: ..?
 
user246160
@Kaumudi.H No. Because dBZ is your real enemy today, because of which the order won't reach your house :P
 
user246160
Anyway....happy cyclonic day ! Alvida !
 
6:20 AM
@Kaumudi.H What?
 
32 mins ago, by Kaumudi. H
Yep. They say that it will be worse in the afternoon (It's 11:20 AM now). Fingers crossed. In any case, don't u think they ought to update the page or contact either of us if this will indeed cause a delay?
@Doraemonドラえもん -___- You should consider changing ur username to "Sadist".
 
@Kaumudi.H Well, to be fair, it was a budget delivery. I'm actually quite impressed at the amount of tracking they have provided so far.
And it isn't a guaranteed delivery date. Today was only ever the expected delivery day not a guaranteed delivery day.
 
user246160
@Kaumudi.H I am a very cute cat robo ... don't accuse me of sadism :P.
 
But you have my sympathies - it must be enormously frustrating to have the delivery held up by, of all things, a cyclone.
 
@JohnRennie That is true but the website also says "No later than 13th".
 
user246160
6:26 AM
@Kaumudi.H * Terms and Conditions Apply (It must be written somewhere :P)
 
@JohnRennie Yeah. The cold and the wind only adds to the gloom.
 
Cold? Below 25 degrees is it? :-)
 
:-) 22° and I'm wearing 4 layers.
Sigh. What's another day?
 
8.8°C here ...
 
:-P U're used to it!
@Doraemonドラえもん Sure sure -__-
 
6:32 AM
13 hours ago, by Emilio Pisanty
> Bullshit asymmetry principle
> Publicly formulated the first time on January 2013 by Alberto Brandolini, an Italian programmer, the Bullshit Asymmetry Principle (also known as Brandolini's law) states that:
> > The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
For not so firm believers, this is not necessary true. You just need the correct debunking piece of evidence and the belief will shatter very quickly
the issue is the difficulty in finding one given an arbitrary belief system
For the hardcore believers, however the principle holds
 
 
1 hour later…
7:37 AM
@JohnRennie:
> "Several flights arriving at Chennai and flying out of the city have been cancelled or delayed this morning amid heavy rain and strong winds along the state's coast. Both Tamil Nadu and neighbour Andhra Pradesh are on high alert and teams from the Navy and the National Disaster Response Force are on standby."
Also:
> "The storm, which was earlier expected to weaken, may not lose intensity after all, the Met office has said."
Indeed, it has gotten much, much worse.
 
That is seriously bad luck. I mean you expect delays due to customs and indeed bureaucracies in general. But a cyclone?
 
Exactly! It was perfectly good weather yesterday and then BAM! A freaking cyclone.
 
At least the laptop is safely in Bangalore and unlikely to be carried away by the storm!
 
:-) Haha, yes!
Gosh, this is properly terrifying now. If those trees bend any lower, they'll crash into our neghbors' houses.
 
Mew
7:43 AM
hi
 
@JohnRennie >.<
No power at home either. I hope this gets better _/\ _ Doesn't look good at all. These trees, omgod.
Hey Mew.
 
user246160
@Kaumudi.H I wonder whether this cyclone is the same one that struck Andaman last week and 2000 tourists had to be shifted to mainland....
 
Mew
@Kaumudi.H did you get your laptop?
 
I think it is the same. I read about it just now.
@Mew No. Cyclone.
 
Mew
oh
 
user246160
7:56 AM
Then it is real bad news as the eye seems to be shifting towards mainland....I hope it doesn't strike Orissa coast again
 
It's made landfall. It's terrifying.
 
user246160
This time of the year, two years back we had a huge cyclone striking bay of bengal and an entire island in Sunderbans was destroyed..and thousands died :(
 
user246160
Bloody cyclone !
 
Mew
r u in danger @Kaumudi.H
 
user246160
But Chennai is relatively safe
 
user246160
7:58 AM
As it is not on the coast
 
Mew
is that were kaumu lives
 
user246160
Or else there could be chances of tsunami X
 
Mew
tsunami?
was there an earthquake?
 
user246160
@Mew She lives in Chennai I guess
 
7:59 AM
@Doraemonドラえもん o_O Your geography, I must say, is more terrible than mine. It is properly on the coast.
 
Mew
yeah it looks like it is on the coast
 
It's 5 Kms away to the beach from my house.
 
user246160
@Kaumudi.H You live near the coast ? O_O
 
Mew
@Kaumudi.H pls survive
 
user246160
Chennai is a huge place
 
Mew
8:01 AM
@Doraemonドラえもん nearly all of channai is on the coast
 
:-) I'm okay. I have power for now and I'm inside.
 
Mew
simple google search shows itg
 
@Mew No. Just a cyclone. Apparently, even after landfall, what is now categorized as "very severe" will subside to "severe", which is still bad -___-
 
Mew
yikes
 
@Doraemonドラえもん Dude. Just Google "Chennai", wtf.
 
Mew
8:03 AM
yea dood
 
Yeah, anyhoo. I'm OK. We survived the floods last year so there's no reason to believe that we won't survive this.
 
user246160
@Kaumudi.H Where do you live in Chennai ?
 
Mew
@Doraemonドラえもん now it's becoming stalkerish
 
user246160
@Mew Yes.
 
user246160
@Kaumudi.H I am sorry, I didn't know that Chennai has a coastline.
 
Mew
8:07 AM
@D
@Doraemonドラえもん what country r u?
 
user246160
@Mew See my profile
 
Mew
Japan
 
user246160
Hmm
 
Mew
thought so with the hiragana
 
@Doraemonドラえもん: Are u free to discuss some organic chemistry?
 
Mew
8:11 AM
I'd like to discuss it
 
@Mew Indeed :-P
 
user246160
@Kaumudi.H Depends on what question you will ask...please don't ask a "quick question" !
 
user246160
@Mew You are very clever XD
 
user246160
Too much clever
 
:-P I have quite a few questions, actually.
 
user246160
8:12 AM
go on
 
Okay. First. My textbook says this:
"Carbocations are stabilized by:
2) +m effect
1) +I effect
3) Hyperconjugation
4) Delocalization of charge"
 
Mew
good to know
 
What's the big difference b/w "Delocalization of charge" and "+m effect" (a.k.a resonance)?
@Mew :-P
 
user246160
@Mew I hope you realized the sarcasm
 
Mew
huh
I wasn't replying to you
I was replying to Kaumu
 
user246160
8:17 AM
Neither was I. :D
 
.___.
 
Mew
@Doraemonドラえもん but you pinged me
 
Dyou know what the difference is..?
 
Mew
@Doraemonドラえもん perhaps you can be a dear and explain to us the difference between +m and delocalization of charge
 
x'D
 
user246160
8:19 AM
Delocalization is a superset and +M is a subset
 
user246160
@Mew I pinged you because you still think my country is Japan....
 
How else can there be delocalization?
 
user246160
By back-bonding
 
Mew
@Doraemonドラえもん but ur profile says japan
 
Oh, right.
 
user246160
8:21 AM
from a neighbor atom containing lone pair
 
Yes, of course, okay.
 
user246160
 
@Mew He's on the run so he changes his profile picture and username all the time. Ik his true identity :-P (here)
 
Mew
oh
I asked him his country and he told me to check his profile
so that's why I trusted the profile
 
user246160
@Mew My country is hidden somewhere in my profile activity
 
Mew
8:22 AM
oh
 
user246160
If you are clever enough you will find it :P
 
Mew
too much effort for too little reward
 
user246160
LOL XD
 
@Mew: I'll spare u the time. The national flower of his country is the lotus.
 
Mew
really
that means India
 
user246160
8:24 AM
@Kaumudi.H Shut Up XD
 
Mew
I discounted India because he didn't have a clue about chennai
 
Oh, Ikr? x'D
Wokay, next question:
 
user246160
India is a huge huge country. Even Kammu doesn't know about all cities well. Neither does Mew know about all cities in Australia.
 
Mew
@Doraemonドラえもん yeah I do know about all cities in Australia
 
user246160
@Mew You can surely lie on the Internet buddy
 
user246160
8:26 AM
Because of Google Search
 
Mew
huh u r the liar though
cos u said u were from japan on ur profile
 
user246160
When did I lie ?
 
Mew
and ur not
 
user246160
I never said I am from Japan !
 
Mew
@Doraemonドラえもん you created your profile didn't you?
 
user246160
8:26 AM
I told you to look at my profile
 
Mew
and your profile says Japan
Thus you lied when you constructed your profile
 
user246160
I never said I live in Japan
 
Mew
Then why does your profile say you live in Japan?
 
user246160
Doraemon lives in Japan
 
user246160
8:27 AM
I don't
 
user246160
So I didn't lie
 
Mew
oh
 
user246160
Gotcha XD
 
Mew
but I thought you were Doraemon
 
Lol
 
user246160
8:28 AM
HAHAHHAHAHHAHAAHAHAH
 
Hi Doraemon
 
Mew
cos when you speak it says Doraemon next ur words
 
user246160
i'M LAUGHING LIKE A MANIAC NOW!
 
@Doraemonドラえもん Ik enough about where u live (and every other city in India) to know whether or not it's on the coast, at least.
 
I was watching Doraemon now, all time addiction.
 
user246160
8:29 AM
@Kaumudi.H Again that statement is not verifiable on the Internet ...you might be lying....you have Google at your hand...so I won't believe you...
 
Mew
why r u watching him?
@Doraemonドラえもん he's perving on u
 
The cartoon :P
 
user246160
Accepting lack of knowledge is a skill and there is nothing to be ashamed about it
 
Mew
@Doraemonドラえもん I believe @Kaumudi.H though, it's basic geography
 
OK, I gtg. Bye!
 
user246160
8:30 AM
@Mew It doesn't matter whether you believe it or not
 
Sure, it's not verifiable, but I'm not lying is all. Some of us do have better geography skills. Slightly better :-P
Anyhoo, that question.
 
user246160
@Kaumudi.H I agree with the latter part of your statement but not the former.
 
user246160
Anyway go on
 
user246160
I am seeing the question
 
user246160
The picture is very hazy
 
user246160
8:34 AM
Can't see anything
 
Mew
@Doraemonドラえもん so you think it is verifiable?
 
Last night dream: A dream that occasionally wake to reality and then sleep again. The notable thing about this dream is that as I transition between the waking and sleeping phrases, my memory is noticeably different, one where I remember I need to go to high school to attend the lessons, and the reality where I am in the middle of the uni holiday thus there is no lessons needed to attend.
 
@Doraemonドラえもん Dammit, okay, here:
@Mew No, he doesn't believe that I'm not lying.
 
user246160
@Mew NO. I SAID THAT I AGREE SOME PEOPLE HAVE BETTER GEOGRAPHY SKILLS. BUT I DON'T AGREE THAT "but I'm not lying is all".
 
Mew
@Doraemonドラえもん ur calling Kaumu a liar? wth she has no reason to lie
 
8:35 AM
 
Mew
@Secret ty for sharing
 
@Mew Dood, I couldn't care less. Chuck it :-)
 
user246160
@Mew Everyone on the planet tells lies. Now this discussion is becoming stupid.
 
Mew
@Doraemonドラえもん no not everyone tells lies
I think ur projecting
 
user246160
@Mew This is becoming stupid and I refuse to continue the discussion.
 
Mew
8:37 AM
@Doraemonドラえもん ur lying right?
 
@Mew Chuck it, man! Issokay. I don't care if I'm called a liar by people on the internet.
 
Mew
k
 
@Mew: Thanks :-) (Not for dropping it, but for standing up for me)
 
My dreams have been really confusing lately. You can really get this "I am in a simulation vibe" from them as at the half awake phase, if you are little bit towards the dream state, you remember the memory you are in high school and nothing else, and if you are a little bit towards the awake state, you remember you have no school need to attend. These two memories flip flops during the half awake state and most importantly, unless you fully awake, you would not aware your memory is chanigng
 
user246160
@Kaumudi.H What is the question ?
 
Mew
8:38 AM
oh no worries
 
@Doraemonドラえもん: Is the pic clear now?
 
user246160
Regarding the picture
 
user246160
Yes it is clear now
 
Yes, the first series after the heading. There are too many compounds and I'm unable to understand the subtle reasons behind that order.
 
Mew
@Secret yeah that's dreams for you
 
user246160
8:40 AM
@Kaumudi.H Basically aromaticity> resonance > hyperconjugation in order of stabilizing effect
 
Ah, aromaticity as well. Okay, thank you.
Last question (hopefully :-P):
 
user246160
@Kaumudi.H Welcome. BTW please don't take the former discussion as a personal attack. It was not meant to be. And I think you know me long enough and I hope you didn't mind :)
 
user246160
@Kaumudi.H Sure.
 
@Doraemonドラえもん Nah, it's OK :-)
In the, um, 2nd and 3rd series...
 
user246160
In second series remember that sp carbon is more EN that sp2 and more than sp3
 
8:45 AM
No, hang on...
Yes, of course. In the 3rd series, well, in the first one, the l.p can possibly be involved in resonance, b/w the 2nd and 3rd one, uhh, 3rd one has more number of $\alpha$ hydrogen atoms...
Is that correct reasoning?
 
user246160
In the 3rd series in second structure the carbon is sp2
 
user246160
So it is more EN
 
user246160
than the third structure
 
No, not the 3rd series.
 
user246160
@Kaumudi.H What ? Are you talking about (c) ?
 
8:49 AM
Never mind, I misread, sorry.
 
user246160
Got it now ?
 
@Doraemonドラえもん Right, okay.
Yes, thank you :-)
 
user246160
Welcome :)
 
9:28 AM
@Doraemonドラえもん hello doorman
 
Hello Tanasinn
 
howdy there LegalBarn Man
 
user246160
9:45 AM
@Skyler Hey! I'm DORAEMON! Not any doorman :P
 
@Mew hii
@ again visit your site
 
[Abstract algebra] Depending on what elements were placed in the cayley table, associativity can result in the multipication of some elements to become a
map from one row in the cayley table to another. Therefore, if the destination row or column already has entries specified, then constraints occurs and the degrees of freedom for the unspecified entries will be reduced
The above principle applies in general for any associative algebra (therefore, you can regard 0 as not a 0 and 1 not as an identiy, but generic labels of some elements in the algebra)
Noticed how when x0 is defined to be equal to 1, associativity result in all row products of the element 0 (represented by 0S) to be mapped to the row products of 1 represented by 1S=S since 1 is a left identity)
 
10:18 AM
> "Amma canteen is open throughout the city, food will be provided free of cost to all #cyclonevardah"
Wow.
 
user246160
@Kaumudi.H Good news ^_^
 
user246160
State Governments runs it ? Or NGO ?
 
State Govt.
Also, bad news: 2 people were killed :'-(
 
user246160
@Kaumudi.H Since when did Government become so benevolent! Oh, sad :(....I was scared of that only :(
 
It's actually been awhile since these canteens started functioning. Idli for Rs. 2, Pongal for Rs. 10, etc :-)
> "The cyclone will cross between 2-5 PM".
It looks like it's passed. It's a lot calmer now and so much more sunny...well, compared to an hour ago, at least.
 
user246160
10:24 AM
But how did they die ? Were they outdoor ? It seems improbable that cyclone will kill you unless you are standing in the open :(
 
user246160
@Kaumudi.H I hope it does not strike again! The year before the last, in West Bengal we had cyclonic weather for 2 days
 
user246160
@Kaumudi.H Seeing
 
Oh, I see :-/ Yep, hoping for the best.
^ That twitter is account is that of a random person, BTW. I just happened to come across the tweet when looking up this.
 
user246160
I think someone is inside that car...apparently the lights are still on
 
10:30 AM
Nah, nobody was in it. That car and the one next to it just got featured in the news and nope, nobody was still inside.
 
user246160
@Kaumudi.H Did you see the headlights ?
 
I did, but that could be triggered by s'thing (a branch, stones, etc.) striking the car.
 
user246160
Maybe...I hope no-one was in
 
Yeah :-•
@JohnRennie: Looks like it might be two days (at most, I hope) before that laptop arrives (I can finally start obsessing again, because it looks like the darned cyclone is gone)
 
@Kaumudi.H the cyclone will certainly have caused a delay, but how much of a delay is anyone's guess. We just have to wait and see I guess ...
 
10:43 AM
Oh, dyou think it might be longer than 2 days?
Oh, wow, look:
Some early-morning flights departed. (There are about 10 more rows of flights that were cancelled tho)
 
@Kaumudi.H I was thinking that maybe it would just be a single days delay. But who knows.
 
Oh, yes, maybe. Fingers crossed that it may have departed early this morning.
Although, I have a theory (:-P) that it's not going to get here via airplane. They might have had plans to transport it via railway. Why else fid they move it to the office from the airport?
And all trains also have been suspended so...
I should seriously quit this obsession. It'll get here when it does :-P
 

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