Pp and grizzly

OK, so chat is now available... but; it has been suggested that for Mathematics we should have TeX support. The current TeX processing has some non-trivial client impact. Before I even attempt trying to hack this in, is this something that the community would want / use? (this would only apply ...

it has guidlines on rendering latex

Siddharth Tiwary

start ChatJax

Prathyush Poduval

6:59 PM

yes

idk about mac though, you're on your own there

so let's get back to our discussion...

I'll just copy paste a few ideas from the aops chat

Siddharth Tiwary

What's your email ID?

Prathyush Poduval

got it?

Siddharth Tiwary

No

I was looking somewhere else

Prathyush Poduval

wait i'll send it again

Siddharth Tiwary

Oh, is this room publicly visible?

okay

Prathyush Poduval

7:03 PM

@SiddharthTiwary until I figure out how to make it private, yeah

yeah it is a public room

Siddharth Tiwary

Do you use your email natively (on your computer itself)?

Or from gmail.com?

Prathyush Poduval

mobile mainly

Siddharth Tiwary

Are you on your mobile right now?

Prathyush Poduval

yes

thats how I get my aops messages

what did you send me in the email?

Siddharth Tiwary

Just started a thread

Prathyush Poduval

7:07 PM

you there on gchat?

Siddharth Tiwary

Yes, but that's inconvenient.

Prathyush Poduval

yeah, i dont have it

aops people really need to improve their chat system

Siddharth Tiwary

Is email convenient for you?

Prathyush Poduval

not much, it has the same problem as aops. You can't easily look at the transcript during the discussions. And it looks out of sync

@SiddharthTiwary maybe you can create an facebook account for the messenger servie

Siddharth Tiwary

Yes, that, I'm not allowed to use.

Prathyush Poduval

7:14 PM

forgive me if i'm intruding :P,but why aren't you allowed to use it?

Siddharth Tiwary

Reasons such as Facebook causes distraction.

Prathyush Poduval

well, theres nothing on facebook to cause distractions

Siddharth Tiwary

Anyway, this is for PUPC, when frequency of messages is low, there's nothing about inconvenience.

Prathyush Poduval

yeah alright, I'll just email you the transcript for reference once

I send the mail for future reference

We can begin by searching for an invariant

Siddharth Tiwary

I don't feel that's too useful.

Prathyush Poduval

7:21 PM

oh yeah, the changes dont change much

I'll do some research on the topic tommorow, maybe i'll stumble upon some wonderful idea :P

There was a problem in 200 more puzzling problems where we had to study the tidal locking of the moon with earth. I think thats worth a look

Siddharth Tiwary

Let's first finish off the mundane calculations (of the forces).

Yes, it may be.

Prathyush Poduval

I think it can be compared to the moon earth system

the only difference being, on earth its the water being deformed, not the planet

Siddharth Tiwary

Water is not elastic. Planet is not plastic.

Water is a skin. Planet is the rock.

Prathyush Poduval

yeah ik, but the processes are similar

i think we can read some papers on the topic, to gain some experience on the methodology

Siddharth Tiwary

In 2 days?

Prathyush Poduval

7:30 PM

well... some papers :P

Siddharth Tiwary

200 puzzling problems doesn't question the mechanism.

Rather, like that IPhO problem, just uses conservation of quantities, etc.

Prathyush Poduval

Yeah. The only energy that changes drastically here are the elastic and gravitational

Siddharth Tiwary

@PrathyushPoduval That's basically cheating, since several papers discuss exactly this problem.

Prathyush Poduval

Thats not cheating. Thats research. It starts with a literature review of your topic

but well try it on our own then

Siddharth Tiwary

I know, but the "paper" we're attempting to write has been an oft-used topic in past research.

Prathyush Poduval

7:33 PM

they did ask for a simplified model afterall

Siddharth Tiwary

So, the search for a mechanism will yield direct answers to the original problem, nullifying the motive.

Prathyush Poduval

I think we can start by from where the energy is being taken from

certainly, the heat is generated by the tidal forces, but that aint going to stop

Siddharth Tiwary

Callisto and Gaynmede

Prathyush Poduval

lo is already tidally locked, so its going to be from callisto and gynamed

yeah

Siddharth Tiwary

Sorry, Europa and Gaynmede

Start off directly from deformation vs forces

.

Tidal force: Nicely linear

Prathyush Poduval

7:38 PM

is any of the 2 moons tidally locked with jupiter yet?

Siddharth Tiwary

That doesn't matter, right?

Prathyush Poduval

yes it does

Siddharth Tiwary

That's been the case forever; we just need to take it to imply:

Prathyush Poduval

okay then

Siddharth Tiwary

Io's orbit is fixed

Prathyush Poduval

7:39 PM

I was not talking bout lo, the other 2

yeah they all are locke

Siddharth Tiwary

I know; we needn't;t study the effect they produce in detail; just the net result of the effect they produce, i.e., fixing Io's orbit.

Ultimately, the eccentricity of Io's orbit generates heat.

Prathyush Poduval

yes

I've to go to sleep now

shall we discuss this tommorow evenign?

Siddharth Tiwary

Okay

Prathyush Poduval

Okay, goodnight!

Siddharth Tiwary

Goodnight!

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