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12:00 AM
curious, if i opened up IE, Firefox, Firefox Dev and Chrome and logged into Anime and manga would i then be able to cast 4 votes or do i need separate logins for each
 
@LoganM Probably because it's too big.
@Memor-X Probably separate logins.
 
Restart trolls are on Arqade now
keep an eye out for them here
around now
though it only picks up around next week iirc
just use nyaa instead
 
@Eric that thing is awsome thanks
 
we have a restart troll here
 
@LoganM He must not have lasted long.
Arqade is getting restart-trolled, though.
 
12:05 AM
3 users running the script though (and one who is just flagging every attempt) so it's hard for one troll to do much
 
Even the flagger would cancel the restart, though.
I don't know why SE added that option.
It is literally never beneficial.
And Arqade just got reset after 52 days.
 
Arqade just got restarted
yep
I hope they don't come for us next
Not sure what arqade did but if it's just being near the top of the leaderboard, we're a bigger target.
 
Well
There was a thread that posted records on it
Arqade, Blender, and PPCG were on it.
 
records on what? raiding other sites?
 
No, on fastest completion.
Blender was fastest beta before PPCG.
 
12:09 AM
oh yeah. We probably aren't going to beat those without better logic.
2
But that's a pretty silly reason to raid someone imo
 
It is, but I wouldn't put it past anyone.
 
you'll beat PPCG and arqade pretty handily at this rate
since they're getting griefed constantly
 
They are, yeah. Hard to say if they will target anyone else, since we don't know why Arqade was targeted.
I figured it would stop after PPCG.
 
At this rate, yes. But we could easily become a target ourselves.
 
PPCG still hasn't stopped being griefed, btw
 
12:11 AM
Seriously?
 
neither has arqade
both stuck in restart loops
 
They are busy restarting it over and over by themselves.
 
They didn't leave after the 73,592nd reset in private beta?
 
nope
 
... That's pathetic.
 
12:12 AM
well I hope they don't get you guys too
because then you'll be dead in the water as well
 
Yeah. Sorry it happened to you guys.
 
I blame @Frosteeze. Because it rhymes.
Nope. Asian, but not Chinese.
 
@Eric the bot is just java i can run in a browser console right?
 
It's JS
 
12:15 AM
It's JavaScript, I don't know if it would run straight in the console.
Something like TamperMonkey or CJS is what I've been going with.
 
you can run it in firefox if you press shift + f4
 
Just got some nothing votes
 
Sent
 
@Eric thanks
 
Sometimes the one main troll seems to vote flag, in hopes that it'll go through.
 
12:17 AM
It's nice that he's hopeful.
 
(it shouldn't unless something really bad happens)
 
@eric seems like i could just copy and paste code in the Developer Tools Console for Chrome though it'll only seem to work if i have the StackEgg open on the page
 
Correct.
I just realized I should have made the script just load the primary script from a remote URL. Then it could have been updated without requiring any intervention from anyone but me.
Noted for future botting.
 
yes, I was wondering why you didn't do that. Figured there was a technical obstruction.
 
I'm sure it would have been possible.
@ton.yeung It's a good way to do it. I guess I didn't expect it to become more widespread than Logan and me.
 
12:31 AM
I do hope you guys feel comfortable with winning via bots
I personally wouldn't
 
I don't particularly have feelings one way or another. It doesn't mean anything in the end.
 
@Runer112 It's mainly a counter to restart votes, since at one point there were only 3 people voting making it really easy to reset
 
We didn't even get the best strategy.
 
Our bot is pretty terrible tbh.
 
Yeah. It's basically a naive solution.
 
12:32 AM
a naive botted solutiom is still a botted solution
 
'Tis.
 
kind of defeats the purpose of this being a game for people to have fun
 
As for whether I'm comfortable winning, I don't think I was ever viewing this as a network-wide game. A lot of other people are, which is presumably why people started raiding other sites. But for me, it's just a silly exercise.
 
it's not PPCG's or arqade's way
oh okay
it's okay to cheat, everyone else does it too
 
Now THAT's the American way!
Luckily, I'm not American.
 
12:34 AM
except not everybody else does it
certainly neither PPCG nor arqade
 
Everyone else could be beating us with better strategies.
 
And they were, too.
 
I think if PPCG didn't reset then Anime would be almost tied if not winning
 
Until the revenge of the raiders destroyed the only two that were trying.
 
(admittedly, the raiding is killing that, which is unfortunate)
 
12:35 AM
you sound like that shouldn't be the way
that better stratgies shouldn't win
better bots should?
 
PPCG has a better average. Resetting doesn't hurt your average, so I think PPCG would still be in the lead. But maybe by not so much.
 
I have no power to stop you guys
all I can do is try to convince you to play the game yourselves
 
scrolls up to figure out who is whining
 
if it's just a game, why are you guys trying so much to write a bot for it
 
12:38 AM
Because that's the challenge for us. (At least, for me.)
I'm a programmer.
Click-farming games aren't fun for me, but making the program is.
 
just because you can, doesn't mean you should
I could steal lollipops from little kids
 
Nope. If this was a serious competition with rules and real-world prizes with a requirement that said "no botting", I wouldn't do it.
 
I feel like 95% of active users start on SO and migrate to their respective places. So most of us are programmers. A few aren't.
 
But it's a friendly contest that means nothing, and after tomorrow there will be no evidence it even happened.
 
@Runer112 that didn't stop the guy in Lightning Returns getting Lightning to kill monsters for him to pass his Hunters Exam, and he still became one
 
12:39 AM
you guys aren't being friendly by fighting with bots
 
That's... what I just said lol
 
If you're viewing it as a fight, that's the first problem.
For us, it's an optimization problem.
 
just like raiding was
greatly optimizes performance
 
Does it?
 
@ton.yeung a while back, didn't really have to try as i already had surplus supplies to give him
 
12:40 AM
yep
 
Blowing up Bing doesn't optimize Google's search engine.
 
Only if you judge based on the leaderboard, rather than the actual results.
 
what are the actual results
 
Errr... these analogies are awful. StackEgg is 100% useless. Google is useful
 
@Rainbolt ... If it's 100% useless, why is there an issue using bots? This is entirely my point: the game isn't some kind of real contest that we have to prove ourselves in.
 
12:42 AM
Raiding doesn't help your own site's performance. It only hurts others.
 
We have our own fun making a bot to do this. PPCG and Arqade made a better strategy, and they had fun doing that.
 
@Eric When did I say there was an issue using bots?
 
Aside from the raiding, none of it hurt anyone or made anyone inferior.
 
You must have me confused with someone else.
 
@Rainbolt Perhaps. There's so many people talking right now it's hard to keep track of stances.
 
12:43 AM
I'm very confused what we're arguing about right now.
 
if you guys were just interested in the challenge of writing a good bot for this, you could test it, confirm that it works, and then stop and let people who want to try manually have a chance
 
@Eric the raiding prevents other sites from being able to play
 
@MattGiltaji Yes. I said aside from the raiding.
 
if you guys want to bot your own site's egg, have at it
 
As in, not counting the raiding, it's harmless.
 
12:44 AM
@Runer112 but you need human elements to try and break the bots to see where the flaws are
 
you guys don't care about the final leaderboard, right?
you should try testing your creations on sites that can use a boost
be friendly with them
 
@Runer112 I've been experimenting with them on some sites.
 
@Runer112 Complain on meta. It sure as heck worked for this guy. That way, this chat room can stop arguing about it and the people who still care can take it to meta.
 
both
damn phone
 
As far as I can tell, what the answer on meta.stackexchange.com/questions/252393/… says is basically "have fun in a way that doesn't hurt the ability of others to have fun on other sites". In which case, I don't see what us using bots really has to do with it at all.
No one complained when I used a bot to mine 10k extra unicoins last year.
 
12:46 AM
I raided your anime. That's why there are none.
 
it's not very fun knowing you're playing against a computer program that never sleeps
 
You do realize that, whether they are playing with 5 bots or 1 human, they win Internets at the exact same pace?
 
@Runer112 We aren't "against" you at all.
 
yes Rainbolt
but I want to lose to a human who tried
not a robot
 
@Runer112 i don't care about April Fools to begin with. pain in the ass in terms of news, very hard to tell what's true or not (ie. si there a new tablet that will bet Applies iPad coming out soon? are we really having a chocolate crisis). though this year it's good cause i can stufy code and Nero is the most popular artist
 
12:48 AM
Would you prefer that humans serve up your webpages too? As opposed to a web server?
 
We played exactly the same strategy the bot is currently using for quite a few runs.
 
What about Minecraft? Should humans be shifting around all those blocks while I play?
 
we can't do anything
 
The main reason we started botting it is because people started raiding us.
 
we're getting restarted constantly
 
12:50 AM
Well, stick shift is still the cool thing to do AFAIK
I can't even. I can stick shift a tractor but not a car.
It is way harder. But you don't have to be smooth about it
 
@Rainbolt nope, leave it to the Enderman, they know what they are doing
 
Lurch all you want at 5 MPH
 
I hope you guys get a bunch of bots to help you out, since you love bots so much
maybe pressing the restart button
perhaps then you'll understand why bots ruin it
 
#banana
 
12:52 AM
@runer Welcome to the Maid Café! The only rule is to be nice.Welcome back, my Master! お帰りなさいませ、ご主人様! We're now serving the Animu & Mangos with a side of Moé. Sit back and relax with general chat for anime.stackexchange.com
 
yay @Taisho beat her
 
lol using a bot to greet someone
 
Are you guys using bots or something? Looks pretty organized.
Ooh, looks like the griefer is gone.
 
@bjb Welcome to the Maid Café! The only rule is to be nice.Welcome back, my Master! お帰りなさいませ、ご主人様! We're now serving the Animu & Mangos with a side of Moé. Sit back and relax with general chat for anime.stackexchange.com
 
The bot who kept trying to flag.
 
12:54 AM
Needs a space after nice. :P
 
*space after the period after nice
 
@ton.yeung that's because it's a charm of HoiHoi-san's
 
@Eric I am as Chinese as you are Swedish :P
 
@Frosteeze Yup.
 
Having fun browsing anime SE since I'm on a phone and can't play. There's some good unanswered questions here...
 
1:09 AM
Is there a god? Where do we came from? Etc.
 
@Eric the reset thing still doesn't seem to be fixed btw. Last time I had to click it manually.
 
@LoganM You sure?
 
yes
 
Wtf. I overwrote that fix. One sec.
@LoganM Fixed version uploaded.
 
So you're the bot maniacs....?
 
1:13 AM
Sounds accurate.
 
:D
The botted fight back!
we also share our source :P
 
I will post mine after the event :P
 
@Eric give me a ping, I'd like to see how you did it
 
@GiantCowFilms we aren't the ones raiding you (at least I'm pretty sure we aren't), if that's what you're thinking.
 
@GiantCowFilms Will do.
 
1:15 AM
@LoganM wait, whos attacking then, I though you alls were the ones with the bots
 
Hm? No, we only bot ourselves.
 
@GiantCowFilms we're botting our own site. Not anyone else's though.
 
@LoganM oh? you mean to win or to restart, 'cause I think you're getting alot of unjustif blame then if you haven't been attacking us...
 
@Logan This suspicion probably stems from you explicitly saying you'd written a bot to restart PPCG earlier. If you're not using it now, that's fine, but it's not like it hasn't come up here...
 
1:16 AM
Honestly, I have no idea who it is that's on Arqade and PPCG.
 
Okay... oh wow.... I think I'm going to leave.... um you should add an 18+ warining to this room
 
@GiantCowFilms to be fair we did all manually in the morning
lol...
 
@Geobits Thanks to some people quoting out of context...
 
@Geobits Well, I made like a 2-line modification of our existing bot, and tested it on a site no one was using. I didn't actually ever run it anywhere that was actively using their egg though. Certainly not PPCG or Arqade.
 
btw, I'm still here
 
1:18 AM
Hi!
 
and World Engineer told me he wished bots went straight to hell
so I'm apparently not the only one who thinks botting isn't nice to do
you guys love taking things incredibly out of context
 
Like I said, we did all manually in the morning. Got it to 2nd place. Bot started when we got raided iirc
 
with analogies that make no sense
 
@Runer112 I think you're conflating two very different things. Using bots to raid another site is pretty rude. But if we use bots on our own site, it isn't harming anyone that I can tell.
 
okay, that's true
it's just you :p
 
1:21 AM
@LoganM Ah, that makes sense. The conversation I saw was "someone should make a bot to raid PPCG" followed by "I already did", so you can see how that looks a bit fishy. It appears to have been deleted now.
 
@GiantCowFilms who said it's even bots attacking? or even us, 0-frame links blames us then Runer112 starts complining about the bots we admitted to have, so then people think we're using bots to raid. kinda unfair on the bots that people think they are going things wrong *comforts HoiHoi-san*
 
I'm not, Logan
 
@Geobits That was a joke. Seems to have lost its context.
(admittedly not an especially good one)
 
lol, I've been quoted out of context today also. Hard to tell sometimes ;)
 
@ton.yeung which was probably the point all along
great idea, actually, since it gets people to go into the chatrooms so they can organise strategies
 
1:23 AM
It was all a plan to make us... SOCIALIZE?
We've been had.
 
@Eric better hide in yo cave
The only raids we do are panty raids, got that everyone? No panties, no raid.
 
So I should take off my panties? I'm so confused right now.
 
What about stockings? And garterbelts?
 
in The Nineteenth Byte, 13 mins ago, by Rainbolt
Btu we aren't being restarted. That's a victory in and of itself.
^ just logged into PPCG to confirm and it seems Arqade still has their troll so we shouldn't need to do damage control
 
@ton.yeung y u not?
 
1:29 AM
@Sp3000 pfft, I'm only into pantsu
@Geobits Nope, we'll just flip up skirts :D
 
Right on cue, Taisho :)
 
RIP in pieces PPCG
 
Yea, but only for a couple weeks. After that is a lifetime of joy.
Well, I wouldn't say an hour a day, a couple hours a week kept mine tough enough to not worry about it.
 
@ton.yeung even with a guitar pick?
oh that makes sense
 
1:35 AM
Typical wound steel/nickel on electric and acoustic both. Acoustic is much harder to start with, higher action.
Could be, but if it's an acoustic you need it a bit higher for good sound IMO.
 
Hmm does anime SE have any sort of policy on using excerpts from manga/screenshots from anime in questions/answers? Like copyright issues and whatnot
 
lol, I can believe that. I started on electric, so it was much easier making the switch later.
I've never played classical, though.
 
Oh, k...
 
I'd try it out, but it's hard for me to justify another guitar to myself :)
 
@Sp3000 As long as you dont link the whole thing it should be fine. Just pictures/excerpt should be fine
 
1:39 AM
          wow
            very mellow
                      so  sleepy
such  mood music
 
:D
Looks like the JS room bot
ah
 
Bass is fun to mess around on, but I never played it much. Nice score, though.
Are they hot because they play bass or vice versa though?
:D
 
Look at alllll that manga-original
 
1:57 AM
@ton.yeung Lol, what? You know what to expect, right?
 
2:46 AM
#banana
 
I have a guess as to who is behind the bot raids on Arqade and PPCG. Do I bother to tell them (after they accused us and all) or do I just ignore it?
 
As long as they know and acknowledge that we are not guilty, I don't see why we should stir the pot.
 
That's my thoughts as well. I suppose I can share my methodology though and if anyone wants to look into it further they can, but I'm not making any serious claims and the evidence I have is barely circumstantial.
If you remember on Arqade, there were 5 bots. One voted "Restart" immediately, and as soon as anything else was voted on the other 4 did as well.
 
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2:55 AM
It's unlikely that coordination between 5 different people happened off-site in a short period of time. I've checked chat, and nothing shows up there. So it's very likely that most or all of the accounts are socks. That's especially true since there was no lag.
So someone has at least 4 socks on Arqade. I don't know of many people who would have that many prepared (I do on a couple sites, but probably no one else)
If you look at the recent users, most of them look like plausible socks, and their activity matches when I saw votes on Arqade.
You can extrapolate that to get a guess of who is doing it, albeit a relatively poor one. A mod over there could check much easier than I can though.
 

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