Change of Heart - 2017-09-14

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6:54 AM

I read your posts. Hope things are okay! Sorry I keep poking my head in to do little post things but TBH I just don't know where to start with this, and don't have time/energy to spare. Soon I will start a stretch of working 20 days straight, so I won't have time then either. How do you think we should post this Meta about restarting or how to move forward?

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Q: I think the reason the site attracts personal questions is because of its name

Say you have a concern about your habit, what do you say when you meet a doctor? Ok, since I was 3 years old, I have Had the habit of placing my pointer finger on my right and left temple. I used to put my right pointer finger on my right temple when I was watching something. [...] This is ...

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12:44 PM

@DoctorWhom Wow, that's a lot of stuff ahead you. Yeah, I'm doing okay, but busy as usual. Not in comparison to you though.

7 hours later…

7:56 PM

Can chat a little

@DoctorWhom @Narusan - I commented on your meta post. I both agree and disagree, and outlined my points/reasoning.

8:20 PM

@JohnP Welcome! DoctorWhom is gonna be active in a few moments (at least they promised). Maybe we can have a quick discussion here, opposed to endless comment threads

Narusan has added DoctorWhom to the list of this room's owners.

Hello

Sorry!

Welcome. Maybe take a quick look at JohnP answers (and I've deleted mine and posted a new one) so that we are all on the same page...

I agree. This is a difficult situation.

Hello there @LangLangC

8:23 PM

Greetings!

Reading...

If we rebrand the site, I think the most important point is a) target audience and b) name. Both is a failure currently (I think we all can agree on that), and it might be good fleshing out a refined version before going into any details.

I'm getting some input from the CM's, as in I've invited them to take a look at the meta discussion and contribute. That way we know if completely rebranding is even an option.

@JohnP Yeah, maybe we should figure that out first... :P

First, thanks for contributing everyone!

What's a CM?

Yes, let's figure out what options exist.

8:26 PM

@DoctorWhom Community Manager. Basically the people who run SE the corporate and have admin powers

@Narusan That. They are the Powers That Be.

Gotcha, thanks.
I think that a thorough culling of the contents would do a lot. Changing the name will help.
I also have to say that

the participants of course would not be narrow

Health related professions, students, experts, academics, etc etc

It would be a tough haul, for sure. I think it could be done, but traffic would severely drop off to start.

It's the 100s of "is masturbation bad" type of questions
The one-shots, that's a brilliant observation btw, is exactly the thing.

I just don't know how we can attract and retain experts here.
I'll use "experts" rather than professionals, but using the term "health experts" in the title still invites people coming to ask the experts for advice, whereas "medical professionals" will steer more of those away (albeit not all)

Off topic traffic is the opposite of the traffic we want/need. It has a deleterious effect, not neutral.

@DoctorWhom Are there easy to parse and laymen compatible site stats over the last months available for low-rep users to look into? Using search and the filters on the question pages impedes a systematic analysis.

8:32 PM

So losing some of that isn't a tragedy

@DoctorWhom the one-shots?

Re the site name:
What do you guys think of **MedicalScience.SE**?
This achieves a few things: It encompasses a lot of people (students, experts, academics, practitioners etc.) while excluding what @LangLangC infamously dubbed *homeopathic faith healer and shamans*. Furthermore, it should discourage "Diagnosis" because we have science in there (many have an unreasonable fear of that word)

I'd make it plural, MedicalSciences, but I think that's better than anything with "Health" in it

@LangLangC You can work with data queries (SQL basically). A recent query conducted by me a few weeks ago showed that in the past 30 days, 25% of posts were either deleted, closed or had a net score of < -1. Which is a lot!

"MedicalScience SE" is a plus1

8:34 PM

@LangLangC There is a SQL tool to gather stats and other info from any SE site.

He's referring to my post, I believe. (Health is a one-time hit only. You've just visited your doctor and have a question about something she told you? You visit Health.SE. But that's not the case every second day. This is why we have a low rate of accepted answers: Most users never return. They sign up to ask a question and don't even log in to upvote the answer, but just read it as an anonymous user.

Because of this, we will never be able to change the behaviour of a majority of the users. This is why Health.SE was doomed from the beginning.)

If we go forward with ANY option, I'd say yes do that

I'm a she :)

@DoctorWhom Pardon me. I used to have the habit of writing "they", but I must have forgotten that at some point. Well, I can use the proper pronoun from now on.

And yes, the thing about health is that everyone has a health. Everyone has a grandma or aunt or neighbor who's told them XYZ.

Hahaha no issues here, it's just like I want people to correct my pronunciation of their name if I get it wrong

@DoctorWhom But not everyone has medical sciences! I think this would be a good first step (or something along the lines of that). What do we do with the target audience? It would be handy to have a paragraph or something like that.

8:36 PM

If we change it we HAVE to change ALL the other things at the same time - the How To Ask, the Tour, FAQ stuffs, and a GIANT CULLING of the questions

Hey guys - I have to go, but was pointed at this post on astronomy meta as a good starting point.

I see the perspective of the MD/DOs/other pros who've come and gone like anongoodnurse's post. I'm not as pessimistic but I see his points. The future will require things to be in better shape before anyone we draw in will actually STAY.

I still don't know if they will, but I think it may be worth a shot. But we may only have one shot.

OK, I'm here. If anyone has a question, I'm pingable. :)

@DoctorWhom Well, there is no FAQ, we were gonna change the tour anyway, we've just spent time on rephrasing the HowToAsk page and I don't think it would take to long, and we don't have to close questions retzroperspectively, only if they bump up to the front page. I mean, we've basically handled the closing part together with help from a few other users.

@DoctorWhom he's a she :P

@Narusan :) How did you know?

8:40 PM

@anongoodnurse I don't know... Something in your user description must have given it away.... ;)

@Narusan omg, I am so dumb...

:)

LMAO I did it too!!

@DoctorWhom I'll take that shot because I enjoy it here. I really do. But because of the people, not because of the site. It would be even more enjoyable here if the site would change.

@anongoodnurse Plus I actually do read your answers on Parenting and IPS, although I'm not an active member of either site. That gives it away too

@Narusan Ah, it would. :)

I didn't choose this name for HealthSE, I started on Spanish and Philosophy and Biology. I wished we could develop one for Health. I fought hard in Area51 and lost the argument for 2 sites. I kind of saw this coming, when "how does penis work" overwhelms more stimulating questions

oh god pun not intended

8:43 PM

@DoctorWhom Lolol!

@DoctorWhom What was/is your user name on Biology? Is it the same?

@DoctorWhom You had me bursting out there. And hey, my highest voted answer is this. Stop hitting at me :P

Just a quick note - one of the CM's is possibly going to post a self eval question on meta.

Yes it's the same. I didn't even know you could change it. I had like 900 rep there before I started here.

Sounds good

@Narusan omg, see? exactly!

@DoctorWhom You can change it site wise. I did for the -in-coma part.

@anongoodnurse But it took me like 4 hours to write that stuff. Okay, over-exaggerating, but still. And that question in core was good in my opinion, because there's a lot of misconception about male masturbation (at least from my perspective as a male).

8:46 PM

Anyhow, I could probably snag a few colleague participants. But they'll flee soon thereafter if things aren't dramatically different. I'm more masochistic, I'll cling to agony if I believe in it

Hm. Encouraging people to read the help docs. ('Who rtfm's these days?'): Everyone is encouraged to take "the tour". I just compared that with another site. Why is there still this generic bit about "unicorns and daisies"?

I have zero problems with repro health questions. I have all the problems with repeatedly spamming the same question without looking. And ignoring site guidelines, posting a one line q without even googling it.

@LangLangC Don't get me started on this. I'll just keep on posting requests of myself on Meta that no one ever cared about.

@Narusan Well, it's a good answer. Good answers take time, unless you know the literature inside out and know where to get your references quickly.

Seriously, at least a quarter of questions are in the first 2-3 google links

8:48 PM

@DoctorWhom Same problem on Biology.

*answers. I can def understand if they don't know how to google or appraise site/research validity. We could make some guides on stuff like that...

Truth. But there, things get trimmed pretty rapidly.

@DoctorWhom We have some guidlines here. In the beginning, on meta.

Guidelines yes. How many people who post read them?

@LangLangC Trying to fix the low-quality answers without sources. Fixing over-full close vote queues. Getting tags done properly‌.

We have a meta on making it more difficult to post without reading. We decided to start with improving our how to

8:50 PM

@DoctorWhom No one. That's a problem on every SE site without a rock-solid user core.

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Q: Improving our How To Ask page

michaelpri asked the Community Managers how the changes we proposed could be implemented, and they strongly recommended us to fix our How To Ask page first. Below is an exact copy of our How To Ask page. I'd encourage everyone to edit the page and leave a comment explaining edits to it. Just ...

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Q: Let's open a discussion on building in quality control measures that encourage higher quality posts/answers

The goal of this post is to have the Community decide which ideas should be tested on this site. Please participate! If you do not find the time to type an extensive answer, comment, write short answers or upvote. I preface this with my sincere desire for the quality improvement of our Health...

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@LangLangC Fixing requests for sources again. Improving how-to Ask And so on

Yeah but here it's a whole new level of fatal to the site.

Partially because somehow there are fewer medical science-y people around than biologists.

I seriously listend to "All By Myself" on headphones when working and writing on Meta.

That was before @DoctorWhom returned from her sabbatical

@Narusan lol!

8:52 PM

Ah yeah. And now I'm off to 3 months of inpatient (i.e. 80 hour weeks) so you may not see much more than my spirit lurking

I'll try, but can't commit to anything

@DoctorWhom What's your residency in?

And not all weeks are 80 hours

Family and Preventive

@DoctorWhom I mean, private life should come before work should come before random people on the internet

Most definitely

@DoctorWhom Oooh! That's how I started. too.

8:53 PM

Seriously!

What did you end up in?

ER

You say "started"

I needed a family life, and couldn't do it in private practice.

Ahhhh yes a couple of our grads are practicing in rural ERs. Did you jump residencies?

lol I do hear you there

That why I'm dual boarding

No, I just closed my practice and went into the ED.

8:54 PM

Hey, stop hijacking this thread :P

Well not WHY but it helps

HAHA okay sorry

Anyhow, I'm half clinical half pop health and love it

@DoctorWhom I almost got double boarded (I could have grandfathered in) but I was too timid to do so.

@anongoodnurse I learned a lot from your posts when I first started btw

When I was getting spanked for posting without references and giving semi-advice

@DoctorWhom Thank you! That's nice to hear.

@DoctorWhom Continue, it's nice to listen to you. But, as a German (welcome fellow countrymate @LangLangC) I don't understand the terminus technicus you guys use, I don't understand your health system and I'm not a medical professional (yet).

8:56 PM

@DoctorWhom lol!

@DoctorWhom Lol, this was me the first time I visited the site

Which btw is another reason we lose experts who aren't as used to the SE model.

@anongoodnurse What we have so far: Renaming this site to "MedicalSciences.SE". Making requests for sources less strict (common knowledge shouldn't need to be cited). Moving the site towards practitioners, not people who ask about their mum and dad. Are there other suggestions you have to fix this site?

As a mod on the site when it launched in beta, I was forever asking for references. You should see the meta posts calling for me to be fired, lol!

@Narusan That page is non editable by me – but who can? I honestly visited that tour page on most sites to get a glimpse of the workings and topics. Haven't sql'ed that yet but I guess that is the most read help doc, if there are any read at all.

8:58 PM

@Narusan I think the title is good.

I appreciate it! I resisted at first, because how do you reference your 5203985039285 years? Then I learned and appreciated it.

It does say "take the tour." Let's fix that too.

If you guys eyeball my How to Ask a Question meta and think it's not too horrible, we can at least get that live.

@anongoodnurse I keep flagging posts without links as low-quality. They always get's accepted (nice mods) but they don't delete it.

@Narusan Yes. I think the moderation needs to be furious.

Off topic questions should disappear from the front page asap (not the usual SE way).

Furious as in aggressive? I wholeheartedly agree

That would be my biggest piece of advice. And it doesn't fit with the SE model, which is that mods do as little as possible (in theory).

@DoctorWhom Yep.

9:00 PM

@anongoodnurse health.meta.stackexchange.com/a/738/8212.. Literally what I requested so many times. One time I even wanted the mods to be fired (sorry @JohnP, I have changed my mind now, I was but an innocent new user)

@LangLangC Only CM's can edited the HowToAsk Page. We however can propose a new version which they will put there then

@Narusan Absolutely correct! Great answer!

Should we go to Meta and start a "Reshaping Health.SE" FAQ with links to multiple sub-topics: scope, name, tour, how-to-ask, moderation or is it too early for that? Pity each meta doesn't have a formatting sandbox, That'd be a great place to evaluate such posts

@DoctorWhom Yes, exactly. Also, there are plenty of arrogant docs who, when asked for references, answered, "I'm a Doctor!" like that's something we can believe on the internet.

@anongoodnurse This one guy who kept putting credentials at the bottom, of a hospital that didn't even exist (at least according to Google).

Sidetracking a second, what happens if I do change my name? I have been thinking of changing my name and now that I know I don't have to do it everywhere, I may. It wasn't my intent to be like "hey I'm a doc" (I absolutely love Doctor Who, which is obv why I chose the name, but it was before Health existsed) and don't want to appear pretentious.

Like do I lose any rep or questions or anything? I saw @Narusan do it but was that just an addendum?

9:05 PM

@Narusan We had a chiropractor who wondered why we didn't stent the eustacian tubes open for the treatment of ear infections.

He was very, very defensive when, well, when challenged.

@DoctorWhom Nothing. I mean, I've done it and survived. You go to your profile and edit your username on the target site. There are two options at the bottom: change on this site and change everywhere. DO NOT PRESS CHANGE EVERYWHERE (duh). You're done. I didn't lose reputation, and I could've changed my username to anything

@anongoodnurse I guess I know what you mean but would prefer the mod to be calm, strict and swift instead. At least as stated policy. Newcomers might have to learn and the original question can be improved (that is the theory). That swiftness is the main problem I see here, since it puts an extra load on the mods.

I assumed you liked Dr. Who.

The 100 rep I'm lacking is from a bounty offered to your question

@anongoodnurse Me too.

@LangLangC This is so true.

9:07 PM

That's good. I'll at least let you know if I do so you don't wonder where I went ;)

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by swiftness

@LangLangC Yeah. I think you should always be kind to new users (which is really hard, I think I alone pissed of a fair share of them with my spamming (welcome, sources, off-topic) with my actions. But for veteran users, they are welcome to be a bit more agressive

@DoctorWhom I've had three names now. I like this one the best.

It matters little. People soon figure out who is who.

@DoctorWhom flagging it - 2 hours later deleted I suppose

I knew the Shakespearean reference but still thought you were a nurse XD

@DoctorWhom and called her "he"

9:08 PM

@Narusan truth.

@DoctorWhom I like that! The ambiguity, and the lack of hubris. Plus, I like nurses. One of my sons is a nurse.

Until I read your posts.

Did I just violate the "Be Nice" policy? I'm not sure if pissing someone off counts as an insult in America.

Exactly. I made my profile for the purpose of PhilosophySE, not to be like "lookie me" so since I'm mostly here now I'm planning to change it

@Narusan Nah.

@DoctorWhom Right. I didn't want to call attention to my creds, but wanted the answers to speak for themselves.

9:10 PM

I did prenursing everything then changed my mind at the last minute. I totally hear you. This is a second career to me, I have zero "looking down" tendencies

Being no friend of stupid automation algos: On other sites there are little pop-ups indicating that there might be a problem. I just tried to start a question beginning: "I have a problem with pain" and no such flagging appeared. Is this not implemented or did I try the wrong trigger?

@anongoodnurse Yet you're somewhat enforcing the stereotype of female medical practitioners always being nurses. I mean, even I as a male hear from all of the complaints. I saw you correcting someone a few times too.

which I still don't understand, but tha'ts another topic

@DoctorWhom I actually thought about going to nursing school (I retired from medicine.)

I love automatic algorithms

9:11 PM

@LangLangC We don't have anything like that. But we proposed automated checks as well, i.e. too much "I" in a question

Guess what the reply was. It has something to do with me playing "All by Myself" on my piano at home...

@Narusan Yes, that's true, but it's part of the ambiguity I like.

@DoctorWhom But my kids talked me out of it, telling me I'd be a terrible nurse. :(

I wanted to actually take physical care of people more, and doctor a chart less.

Quick reminder: Should we go to Meta and start a "Reshaping Health.SE" FAQ with links to multiple sub-topics: scope, name, tour, how-to-ask, moderation or is it too early for that? Pity each meta doesn't have a formatting sandbox, That'd be a great place to evaluate such posts

But even that is changing.

How would that look @Narusan?

@DoctorWhom Ahem. How can I show you without posting it?...

I mean, if we want to pursue the reshape, we ought to start at some point some time.

9:14 PM

Medicine wasn't what I thought either, hence MPH and Prev med. What I love most about clinic is pt education. But I'm in the chart more than face to face.

And the things shouldn't be put into action before we decided all changes

@DoctorWhom So much.

It got worse with EMRs.

I agree. I'm down for doing that. We should give it some time. I won't be able to do a ton at once, and others may trickle in.

Even as a patient, I have sat through an entire HPI/ROS without the practitioner looking at me once.

The Defibrillation Question is now a hot Meta question (meaning it'll show up on the main site as well). This is a good step towards more attention from the Community

9:16 PM

@Narusan Not the worst song… But seeing the list of "Questions that may already have your answer" is indeed discouraging. –#– The most probable problem with stupid algos is that they fail so regularly with false positives; and they invite everyone with the slightest bit of hackish cleverness to try and game the system.

@anongoodnurse Which seems so very counterintuitive. Paper charts are terrible for continuity of care and chart review. But when EMR arrived, it was administrative (i.e. CYA and making up for those who practice unethically) things added bit by bit because "oh now it's easy let's add more

@LangLangC Yes, sadly.

@LangLangC people game the heck out of it as it is. "This patient has these lab results and symptoms, what does patient have?"

Site name: check
What about the target audience?

@DoctorWhom something went wrong there...

Where?

Ah. Yes fixed.

9:19 PM

@DoctorWhom The post you've edited

@DoctorWhom In Africa, the medical record was a 3x5 index card.

@LangLangC If those were the only questions we had to deal with, however, I'd rejoice.

Am I correct to understand that improving "How to ask" revolved around the actual help page and not the box to the right of the "ask your question" input field? That box might need an overhaul and more prominence (nastiness in terms of attention catching)

afk for a bit. sorry.

@LangLangC Yes, side layout is being renewed on the whole Network right now

9:20 PM

I don't even know where all these are located. Why isn't there like ONE place where all these guides/tours/FAQs are listed and linked??

Ah interesting @Narusan

@DoctorWhom You know how many times I thought of rage-quitting the site? There was a time where both Carey and Lucky and Kate were gone, so I was by myself. And then there are the imaginary patients. Well, I somewhat rage-quitted now xD

Did you see me for half of 2016?

Burnout quit

@DoctorWhom Look when I joined... Wasn't there yet

well half burnout, half life.

@DoctorWhom Like a burnout from the site, or a burnout burnout?

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9:22 PM

Site. Mostly. Though the latter definitely hovers sometimes.

@DoctorWhom That's precisely what I meant. Although said algo might slow down a few of the "never researched it, drop the Q-bomb one-liner here quickly".

@LangLangC Maybe we can have a fourth moderator. That could speed up things as well

@DoctorWhom Take care!

By the way, pinned or starred questions will appear on the right side (in Desktop chat) making it easier for us to find. Otherwise we'd have to scroll back a lot

MedicalSciences.SE is a site directed at medical practitioners, medical professionals, students, academics and laymen with a sound understanding of health-related processes and the sciences behind them.

What do you think of that for the target audience?

maybe "health-related sciences"

actually we need to have "medical-related" something something

so it's clear we don't mean just MD/DO

@DoctorWhom Yeah, thanks. Forgot about that

We could make a list of suggestions

9:28 PM

That list would be way too long

Not necessarily

Scope
Target
Off-Topicness
Flagging
Additional Moderator
Automated Checks?
New Site Name
Tour
HowToAsk

Allied health is a good term

Tags

I made a list somewhere, where is it...

9:30 PM

@DoctorWhom not a native speaker, could you paraphrase that? Can't figure out what that means in the context of health.

Allied health professions

Allied health professions are health care professions distinct from nursing, medicine, and pharmacy. They work in health care teams to make the health care system function by providing a range of diagnostic, technical, therapeutic and direct patient care and support services that are critical to the other health professionals they work with and the patients they serve. == Professions == In September 2012 the organization of International Chief Health Professions Officers (ICHPO) provided an agreed-upon definition of an allied health professional. "Allied Health Professions are a distinct group...

Thanks

That list to me fits

MedicalSciences.SE is a site directed at medical-related practitioners, medical and allied health professionals, academics and laymen with a sound understanding of health-related processes and the sciences behind them.

what do you think of that? Doesn't sound "clean" yet, but just to get an idea where we're going to

Some of our best answers and participation are from non-medical professionals who are researchers etc. I want them to be able to look and see "I think I fit" while those who are one-time-advice/etc users look and think "this isn't the place for this q"

It's a great start

9:33 PM

@DoctorWhom Aren't those people encompassed in academics?

Maybe we can change the order to make it more clear

you can remove the practitioners; anyone who's a practitioner is a professional

fundamentally at least

MedicalSciences.SE is a site directed at academics and laymen with a sound understanding of health-related processes and the sciences behind them, as well as medical and allied health professionals.

Yes they are. Would you see it as such?

@DoctorWhom Hm. In theory. I'm aware of a few practitioners that are definitely not professional

I think

MedicalSciences.SE is a site directed at medical and allied health professionals, academics and laymen with a sound understanding of health-related processes and the sciences behind them.

or professionals in medical and allied health fields, academics, and...

9:36 PM

@DoctorWhom I prefer that, but it might be nit-picking

It does get rid of "and anyone with health-related questions." Although initially I liked the inclusiveness. –#– Everyone who's a professional is a practitioner?

@LangLangC Yes, initially it was a good idea, the inclusiveness. But see where we ended up now...

I'm not sure they're equivalent. It's more like rectangles and squares

My goal

@LangLangC Also, getting rid of that was a key idea behind the changes

So

If I were looking at a site that had a narrower list of target

outside of my field, like MathOverflow, I would assess my skill level and the caliber of my question before posting but still might post there if it really fit scope

For example if I took advanced math and was still really into it

9:39 PM

Which should be the case with academics and laymen. The point is that this site is not right for you if you have a question about yourself and your health and not just medical sciences in general

I think many non-actual-professionals-but-knowledgeable-or-academic ppl would look into it and see they do fit

MedicalSciences.SE is a site directed at professionals in medical and allied health fields and academics and laymen with a sound understanding of health-related processes and the sciences behind them.

Is this good with everyone?

I came up with a bunch of example questions that I remembered from school, or have been asked by students, or have asked recently

@DoctorWhom This is the impression I get as well. Of course, we can see how it goes and change it if necessary

@JohnP Anything new from any CM whether we could do a reshape?

@Narusan

MedicalSciences.SE is a site directed at professionals and academics in medical and allied health fields, and laymen with a sound understanding of health-related processes and the sciences behind them.

I think actually

MedicalSciences.SE is a site directed at professionals and academics in medical and allied health fields, and laymen with a sound understanding of health-related sciences.

9:42 PM

@DoctorWhom Sure, that's more precise.

Do people take laymen as offensive? I don't but I've seen people feel that

Actually use laypersons

@DoctorWhom there is no fitting synonym though. I won't get offended by it

@DoctorWhom oopsie, yes.

I am so very much a layperson in Engineering and a thousand other fields

MedicalSciences.SE is a site directed at professionals and academics in medical and allied health fields, and laypersons with a sound understanding of health-related sciences.

Just found en.wiktionary.org/wiki/layman and layman is an antonym of expert: might contrast with SE core ad message.

9:44 PM

MedicalSciences.SE is a site directed at professionals and academics in medical and allied health fields, as well as laypersons with a sound understanding of health-related sciences.

okay, add "others" maybe?

or

@LangLangC There are laypersons in SO too though. SE wants a few experts and then newbies

At least how I understand their core guidelines

Plus we're talking about laypersons with a sound understanding of health-related sciences, which is far from the general public, sadly

I'm OK with the term and the target audience as well, too.

Name: check
Target audience: check

As a native speaker it's different

I feel like it's been used negatively colloquially

@DoctorWhom oh really. Hm. Let's leave it until we find a better word

9:46 PM

@DoctorWhom My fear.

It's almost midnight here. Maybe we can tackle one more on the list and then I'll enjoy a fair amount of sleep. That'd be awesome

MedicalSciences.SE is a site directed at professionals in medical and allied health fields, related academics, and others with a sound understanding of health-related sciences.

@DoctorWhom Sure.

Yes automatic checks

@DoctorWhom That's something the CM's would have to deal with, I think

9:48 PM

Yes it's just my vote

And thats a bit more effort than the rest for them, and we're a small, failing beta site, so I don't see how we get our own automated checks somewhere soon. It would be great, but we have to get the thing rocking before, I suppose

Off topic
Medical advice, diagnosis requests, second opinions,

I can extend that list

a lot

on-topic is a lot more difficult

On topic I can work on

I had a vision

Current research, new treatments/procedures,

clinical studies etc.

9:50 PM

The 'second opinion' needs clarification: second diagnosis opinion or something…

@LangLangC yeah, like getting a second opinion from another doctor.

yes we can do that

@DoctorWhom I'm all ears. Or eyes, as it's a vision?

It's pretty clear in US English but we're an international site

I don't have it all written out, I'll ponder it

but it includes asking other specialties and disciplines

I think it would be epic if we could be discussing actual research and new scientific breakthroughs, as well as treatment options, medical conditions, drugs and others

9:53 PM

You know my Q about leg length discrepancies? I don't cross paths with PTs often enough and remembered I wanted to know. That's perfect IMHO, it expands knowledge base

@DoctorWhom yes. And that's perfect example of a good question spawning an excellent answer

@Narusan agreed! And I'd love to learn from other fields things that will help ME be better and know more and understand how things come togehter

How much history of medicine/medical science? I found two Qs in that direction that I found relatively interesting but were quite hopeless from the points of view discussed here and the tonsillectomy one. Intersectionality, cross-disciplinary scope would be a plus imho.

And I'd love to reciprocate

Weird. Your chat name isn't updated, but your name on Health is. I was revisiting the Defibiralltion question and went wtf is "prydonianalumna"?! :D

9:56 PM

I liked the tonsillectomy, I think it's a perfect question. It invites a little speculation but I think it was done brilliantly.

Uh wat?

That wasn't updated, super weird, I was just considering it

ha!

It's a reference

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I thought someone hijacked that post or something

Well, apparently you don't need to click accept

XD

I'll revert until I decide. Thx for telling me!

@DoctorWhom Yes, anything newer than say 50 years which was reasonable medical practice should be accepted.

The Time Academy! Still two hearts?

Obviously, it should be defined better

9:58 PM

Naturally

@LangLangC No, but I have this fob watch...

brb

If you know about the watch it seems broken?

Questions regarding medical treatments and practices, administration and prescription of drugs, body functions, medical conditions, intersectionality and cross-disciplinary of medical fields are on-topic here.

Sounds awful, but it encompasses a lot

I think the healthcare system should also be off-topic. An end to the healthcare provider, insurance questions!

It's past midnight here and I have to get up early tomorrow. I'll call it a day. Do you guys think it's possible to meat up roughly the same time (21:30pm European Time [Berlin Time Zone]) tomorrow, if your schedules allow that? We're a lot more effective if we chat at the same time...

Thanks for caring about the site! -=- Over and out

@LangLangC I don't know, I haven't really thought about opening it. Until now...

I think we need to change the approach to the way we phrase scope

Hippocratic oath is philosophy put to practice. (Might be too wide)The 50 year limit seems quite short for a historian to be able to contribute. –#– Administration and healthcare seem indivisibly linked. And yeah, on second reading I understood 'administration of drugs' .

"Questions about" sounds like "cool how about my doc's prescribed warfarin dose?"

I don't care about a 50 year limit

This is more academic, history fits IMHO

10:08 PM

@DoctorWhom I said it sounds awful, it's just to have everything we want in there

We also should include elements of public health

@LangLangC history shouldn't be in there, unless it's still related to today. There's History.SE for that.

@DoctorWhom sure, go ahead. I'll leave you guys with that until tomorrow, same time, same place (or earlier, I'll ping you or you can ping me).

I kind of disagree, medicine is built on history

Sounds good

I'll revise it

Vaccinations and outbreaks and epidemiology are key historical things that apply to now

OK. I'll try to schedule a visit.

@DoctorWhom and so there on topic. Because they are still related to todays practice of medicine.

But Athenian treatment of the plague is not

10:10 PM

Gotcha. See you tomorrow :)

*Now cracks a noble heart. Good night sweet prince:
And flights of angels sing thee to thy rest!*

Hamlet is my fav

I'm going to head back to work, see you guys tomorrow

And @LangLangC, points for getting the references.

10:56 PM

@Narusan Relax. It isn't anything that is going to happen overnight. I have put it to one of the CM's, they know about the situation and will take a look at it.

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