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Anonymous

1:11 AM

@DJMcMayhem So it turns out Dead Cells is on Xbox Game Pass. I'll give it a shot sometime this week.

Pavel

@Mego PC/Play Anywhere, or just XBox?

Anonymous

Looks like Play Anywhere

Pavel

Nice

Already been considering getting the console pass anyway to play sea of thieves

Anonymous

IMO Sea of Thieves is a tech demo, not a game

Pavel

1:14 AM

I've heard they pulled a no man's sky and there's content now

Anonymous

Deep as a puddle, but rEaLiStIc WaTeR

Pavel

Looks like there have been content updates every single month since launch, so if you already own it anyway might be worth checking out again?

DJMcMayhem

2:05 AM

@Mego Nice

Lemme know what you think

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Nathan Merrill

3:13 AM

Took me 30 minutes to get it, but already optimized the first level :)

The other two were much easier :)

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Martin Ender

5:58 AM

Yeah, cycles is usually the hardest

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Nathan Merrill

1:02 PM

Bah, this is annoying: The Cost is much higher than the minimum required, but it still shows in the first bar

I did enjoy this one: It was the first one that (as far as I can tell) required a different solution for cost and area

Veskah

Yeah, at least Area and cost seem needlessly coarse

Martin Ender

1:23 PM

When you've beaten the game you can enable a "top percentile" entry in the leaderboard, but even that is sometimes quite far from optimal.

I think the reddit wiki has records if you want to look them up.

Yeah, it's here if you're interested (mild spoilers, obviously).

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Nathan Merrill

3:29 PM

Snap. 1 cycle off from optimal on Waterproof sealant

oh wait, nevermind

misread the reddit

Martin Ender

3:42 PM

What made you pick up Opus Magnum now?

Veskah

Alchemy's a hell of a drug

Nathan Merrill

@MartinEnder realized I had the XBox game pass for free, saw it on there

Martin Ender

that would also explain why Mego started playing it recently

Nathan Merrill

snap. I'm 1 cycle short of the record

The 1 cycles are always the hardest

Nathan Merrill

4:11 PM

...how am I supposed to get cycle efficiency with 3 reagents and 4 outputs

Veskah

Big dirty pipeline and mirrored factory

Feeds

7 Crazy Tips, Tricks and Ideas for the 3D-World Style in Super Mario Maker 2 !

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HOO-RAY!

4:39 PM

@NathanMerrill heh

Nathan Merrill

4:55 PM

@Veskah bah, just tried mirroring, but it doesn't quite work: You still have a single output product, so atoms collide on output

I could delay the mirrors, but that's not efficient

Veskah

Bummer

DJMcMayhem

@Veskah I love ceave-isms

Veskah

As do I

AdmBorkBork

5:32 PM

Saw a let's play of Heave Ho the other day. Looks like an amazingly fun couch party game for up to 4 players.

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Martin Ender

6:51 PM

"The committee appreciates that your 2020 launch is on track, but the 'human capital/personnel retention' budget includes a lot more unmarked cash payments than usual. What are th--" "Public outreach."

DJMcMayhem

Ahahaha

AdmBorkBork

7:19 PM

Never managed to get the hang of KSP -- always blew up on launch.

My most spectacular was when the thing tipped over and fired itself right into one of the support buildings.

Unrelated String

nice

Veskah

Great feats need great sacrifices

AdmBorkBork

7:39 PM

@Veskah quotegeek.com/quotes-from-movies/clue/632

Veskah

Now there's a highbrow reference. That movie is a classic

AdmBorkBork

Right? An underappreciated classic, too.

Nathan Merrill

@NathanMerrill Got it in 20 cycles :) The record is 19, so I might go for that. I ended up using 2 reagents the 4 molecule in tandem, and a separate machine crafting the 4 molecule independently

Oh...actually, 19 is pretty impossible. The reason I have 20 is because the 2 reagent side is delayed by 1. If I decrease the delay, then it is in sync with the other side, meaning they collide on output. I'd have to come up with a crazy system that can actually handle 3 inputs

Veskah

7:54 PM

Rebuild for a third time to shave one cycle. Classic Zachtronics

Also, getting a free point of area by manually writing the reset action feels good

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Nathan Merrill

9:00 PM

Bah, been banging my head against a wall for a 9-area solution for Airship fuel. Look it up, and the record is 10

Martin Ender

@NathanMerrill Just had a look and I also only have 20, even though I'm using all three inputs.

Nathan Merrill

I'm using all three inputs as well. But I think you have to do an offset based pattern

aka, you use 3 + 1 to build the first one, then 2 + 2, then 1 + 3

And I'm still not convinced I can't do Airship in 9 area.

I get so close

Martin Ender

haha

I think I also spent a lot of time trying to get that

Nathan Merrill

9:26 PM

Bah, I've just formally proved it's impossible

The key question to answer is: How do I build the shape?

Ignore eveyrthing else

So, if you work backwards, starting with the S-curve, you need to move the completed S-curve from somewhere

There are 6 directions you can move it, but 3 are symmetrical.

One of the 3 directions takes 4 extra squares. You only have 3 empty spots, so that doesn't work.

One of the directions takes 3 extra squares. If you place the pieces in those spots, ithis actually debonds (because we're moving backwards in time) one of the salt atoms at the end.

however, then you end up with a Corner shape that you need to rotate 180 degrees to continue to debond. This is impossible

Finally, the direction with the 2 extra square doesn't debond anything, and therefore you have to move the entire shape again, which causes at least another 2 squares to be covered

AdmBorkBork

9:54 PM

DoodleChaos has a new video.

Nathan Merrill

10:19 PM

So, I've been thinking about Opus Magnum. IMO, there are really two core differences to this and spacechem: 1. Instructions are detached from the game board, and 2. Inputs and outputs are placed by the user.

Given that these games are open-ended, constraining the possibility space really limits the number of viable solutions, which is why I think that spacechem is harder

If you think about what made spacechem hard (that isn't hard in opus magnum), it's largely the synchronization. Synchronization between nodes as well as synchronizing the different machines

That's gone because you can simply have an arm wait for a second by adding a space in the instruction queue

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El'endia Starman

11:24 PM

@AdmBorkBork Coolio!

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