@EricTressler Can you make the side levels group in multiples of 3? It bugs my OCD how the groups of levels aren't together

@DJMcMayhem No. Maybe 6

I want more room over there than 3 columns

6 is a multiple of 3

That would work perfectly well too

oh, sorry, I misread you. I never really intended to stick with the 3-level groups the way I have been, but I might keep up that pattern now.

Also, I just finished 84. :)

3 is a nice size. It lets you replay a fun theme several times if you like it, but it isn't too many if you don't

And in groups of 6 that would organize very nicely

@EricTressler Out of curiosity, why are the 84+ levels titled B<n>?

The last 3 levels are A<n>, and I made those first.

I didn't have a good label for either of those groups

@quartata ZP rated 'a hat in time' as the 2nd best game of 2017. Is it really that good?

yes

Ok then

This was his full review, he reviewed it and Hob in the same episode:

The funny thing about ZP is that he absolutely roasts games even while giving them shining recommendations

first half is about Hob, second half is AHIT. Let me get you a timestamp

I assumed it would be too easy based on the art style

Boss fights and time rifts are pretty difficult

@DJMcMayhem 1:53

@quartata Can't watch it now, but I'll add it to my list.

Is it similar to super Mario oddysey?

@DJMcMayhem yes, although I'd say Odyssey focuses more on its worlds being hubs to linear individual challenges whereas Hat in Time is a bit more "explore and collect things"

However, I have played AHIT and not Odyssey so I'm not really qualified to say how they differ too much

@DJMcMayhem rule of threes

wrt yahtzee saying it's short: it took me 25 hours to 100% it, although I really took my time

Wrt?

with regard to

also it has a big Steam Workshop, although last I checked it's Windows-only

Humble Bundle currently has a bundle with some nice stuff in it. Most importantly, N++, which is hella awesome.

And if you haven't ever touched an N game, you should definitely fix that

Best platformer ever.

@Pavel notepad++

god dammit

@Pavel n game?

@ASCII-only It's a "series" of 3 games: N, N+, and N++.

@Mego Downgoat would probably look forward to Objective-N

N is free for all platforms, N+ is console only, and N++ is currently ~$5 on humble bundle together with some other neat stuff

ok :| i now have a spare copy of orwell

You can play N online for free in Flash

@Mego but Cava isn't a thing

Java

Nython would be nice for plugin development

Oh right N++ doesn't Linux yet but it runs just fine in Wine

@Pavel there's also a rusty lake game

Oh yeah, lots of goodies

Also Tropico 5 + Expansions

Played the first episode of N online and I'm not a fan of the physics.

that game is hard

I have to disagree though: the physics is what makes it hard

@Pavel Oh, that game

that game is really good

@El'endiaStarman Yeah, they somehow feel even floatier in the original

But that's also the point

Fancy Pants is mah jam.

Fancy Pants is like the baby version of N until you grow up into the real stuff

with more graphics

and more things to do

like bouncing shells on your head 100 times in a row

They diluted the core gameplay with unnecessary extras

I like fancy pants :)

the slides feel way more fun in fancy pants than N

In all seriousness yeah it's pretty fun

Still prefer N++

@El'endiaStarman Yeah!

I was basically raised on fancy-pants era flash games. Armor games, kongregate, miniclip, nitrome

Now I'm all nostalgic

@DJMcMayhem Newer generations will never know Achievement Unlocked and This is the Only Level, imagine that.

I made a list the other days of games I don't want to forget

@Pavel Those are classics, but my all time favorite still has to be shift

(1,2,3,4,etc.)

So I watched RadicalSoda's video on DDLC and I have to say I'm disappointed in it, but not for the reason you might think

here's the thing about it

@DJMcMayhem Aw hell yeah! I can't believe I forgot about Shift!

I suppose Yahtzee basically said this to but the first playthrough you do of the game is far and away the best

What really sold it is the poems

They're not perfect but the way they started to deteriorate was really cool

I wish the game could have stayed on a slower boil like that rather than going straight for the creepypasta stuff

@Pavel I couldn't tell you how many hours I spent in shift 2's level editor, trying to come up with a solvable level that would stump my siblings

they really could have used the poems to carry all the horror

while everyone pretends like nothing is changing

@DJMcMayhem What was the one where you need to escape the prison with buzzsaws and swinging axes? It was kinda like N but with a sprint button

And lots of blue trails

@quartata That would only work if that section of the game was rewarding enough on it's own without expecting something coming. If that first section was much longer, I wouldn't have been able to stomach it. Not really a fan of dating sim or VN (or anime)

IDK how to describe it really

@DJMcMayhem The Shift games were great executions of a clever idea.

@Pavel I know exactly which one you're talking about

Exit path

Favorite games of my childhood

@DJMcMayhem Thank you

I'm off to go play Exit Path

@Pavel Every game you've mentioned so far was by John. I highly recommend checking out Tony. He did shift, but he's got a lot of other hidden gems too (indestructo tank, seppukitties come to mind, but there are others)

@DJMcMayhem that's fair, I wouldn't have liked that either

But I do agree that it could have been more subtle

Yeah IDK why I just really like John's stuff

I think it could have dropped the VN trappings by that point though

Dear god I'd forgotten how horrible shift's jump is

Aha! The greatest flash deep cut of all time: armorgames.com/play/7446/kolm

Cannot recommend this one highly enough

One of my favorites was Corporation Inc.

@Pavel Every played Give Up? (Also by John)

Ah, no.

It's like exit path but ragier and snarkier, which is really saying something

Wow

I'll have to check it out

It's good! Ping me when you give up, I'm curious how far you'll keep your sanity make it

@DJMcMayhem I think part of the problem is that it's saddled with the anime cliches to begin with. I suspect that the decision to parody visual novels came first before most of the horror aspects fleshed out. The end result is that you're obligated to go heavy on the characters first and play out all the love triangle stuff because that's what people are expecting, rather than.. well.... the literature

@NathanMerrill Jones in the Fast Lane?

I love that game

its available online too

somebody did a flash port

you play as a dude, get education, get a job

@quartata Any parody of anime tropes would be completely lost on me lol

@DJMcMayhem I want to press give up, not because I'm stuck, but because I want to find out what it does

I used to play it, in your list it's just "Jones"; I was confirming

@Pavel dewit

Perhaps pinning it squarely on anime's door is unfair

Also, ,this is basically exit path X this is the only level

Try "romantic clichés"

Exactly

I did it

@EricTressler oh, yeah

Anime just tends to play out the angst part more

I can't even remember what I used to play the most. All of the games I had were pretty short-lived, except maybe Angband or MOO2/MOM.

it looks like the flash port went down :(

I have DROD 1/2/3 right now, though. They're all on GOG

@Pavel Do you remember a game that was very similar to shift but in a giant labyrinth and instead of shifting you could rotate gravity? I've been trying to find it for ages

DROD goes up to version 9

er, ignore me

It was pretty obscure I think

was thinking of a different game :P

@DJMcMayhem No I know what you're talking about but I can't think of the name.

if you guys want a really hard puzzle game, checkout Quadrax

@NathanMerrill Have you tried Desktop Dungeons?

Aaaargh

also I kinda wish Natsuki called BS more and put Monika on the defensive -- maybe she does in different dialogue options, but I felt the whole point of DDLC was to make fun of you for thinking different dialogue options would avoid things lol

its dated, but I honestly think it's the hardest puzzle game I've ever played (stephen's sausage roll included)

obviously the hardest puzzle game is Tametsi :P

@EricTressler nope, I've looked at it a couple times in the past

but it's never really appealed to me

Oh, sorry, I'm sure I recommended it to you already. I just looked at Quadrax; I've definitely never seen it before

It looks vaguely like Lemmings

@quartata Honestly, I think the cool part of Doki Doki wasn't the creepypasta, it was the undertale-esque antagonist who realizes it's a game part

@EricTressler maybe? You can try to sell it to me, but most of my roguelike experience is on mobile (because it's mostly brainless)

@NathanMerrill what do you mean by really hard

9 out of 9

Right. It's tough because DDLC tries to be a lot of things

Although the horror was well done if not a little overplayed. The first jumpscare made me nearly fall out of my chair I jumped so hard. Even though I saw it coming

it's a straight-forward puzzle game

you have two dudes that can walk around, climb, or push blocks

that's it

trying to get them to the exit can be really hard

fireboynwatergirl.com

:P

@NathanMerrill desktop dungeons isn't roguelike at all

They could have stretched out the game quite a bit if they had made a section where by that point you already know that Monika is essentially an adversary and you're basically fighting for control. They did that a bit with the cursor stuff but it would have been interesting to see actual dialogue

there's no timing involved, and the only element of randomness is the portals (you don't know which portals lead where from the start)

Hmm then sounds kinda similar to The Swapper

But if you do that, the horror is gone

You already know how it ends by that point

@ASCII-only I was legit just about to say that

Which is that you win, you always win

10/10

wrt horror I can only appreciate atmospheric horror in games

@quartata Example?

DDLC delivered but then also threw in the eyes, come on

@Pavel Please please please let me know if you ever find it. I remember it was something like Never Ending or No exit it something like that

@EricTressler lol, went to the homepage, and the top quote: "Remember when you thought that this was a frivolous roguelike and not a seriously meaty strategy game..."

Quadrax does sound like the Swapper, though there's some timing in that one

Which one

@DJMcMayhem Yeah, will do

@MartinEnder :/ hollow knight is very processor intensive

@Pavel I remember in that game (if we're thinking of the same one) it blew my mind when it turned out the level layout was being rotated too

Yeah

Wait, I think we're thinking of different games

:/

That sounds like FEZ?

@DJMcMayhem is this a flash game

@NathanMerrill It's really not, though. You play single rooms in a kind of rogue-like setting, but the puzzle is figuring out what order to do things in so that you can level up enough to beat the boss. You don't get a persistent character.

Anyways @DJMcMayhem if you want to know what I meant really by the poems go back and read Hole in the Wall (Monika's first poem)

Oh wait. I literally just found it

Dear Sunshine is a good Sayori poem also

Never End

The Racoon went a little over the top I think but still subtle-ish

The wiki has them all it looks like:

ddlcwiki.ga/wiki/Category:Poems

@quartata I think the most subtle one was Get out of my head

Oh, I just remembered another old game I used to play: Cannon fodder. I'm not sure where I even got these, maybe a BBS?

@DJMcMayhem layout?

@ASCII-only I won't explain. You should play it

did anybody end up downloading Quadrax? Which version? Are you able to get past the title screen?

@DJMcMayhem do you mean what happens if you go back out from the second level

@NathanMerrill No, but I'll check it out later tonight (especially if you troubleshoot it for me :)

I'll try

it's been a long time since I booted it up

@NathanMerrill which quadrax

III or IV

each successive title gets harder

@ASCII-only No? I don't remember anything particularly exciting happening then

III doesn't have any english text, but it's the one I started with

you just have to get it downloaded and booted

@DJMcMayhem oh, so level layout != level select then

I think the in-game text is translated IIRC

:| the dl speed is super slow

@NathanMerrill can get past title screen on III

press Nova Hra

and press enter

then Esc

@NathanMerrill Link please

I can only find stuff about cables

then, once you are in the game, you use the arrow keys to move, and tab to switch players

bah

Is there not a I and II

how do you do it?

No markdown in multiline messages

The bottom way would be correct though

Quadrax III

Quandrax IV

thanks :)

I and II are like the beta versions

III and IV are the easiest levels

you'll also need Dosbox for I and II

Is it only in slovakian?

III is

IV starts with the english translation

I'll grab IV then

Also, yay, Wine

._. well that fucked my screen resolution

Anyone know how to set screen resolution on Linux

nvm

@NathanMerrill yeah I could guess :P

> easiest

then why play 3 and 4 at all

@NathanMerrill Which button is settings

heh. You don't have a chance at the higher games

I need to tell it not to fuck my screen resolution

@NathanMerrill :| why not

it assumes you played the earlier games

@Pavel click one one of the other options and hope it's an options menu with resolution :P

think about playing a puzzle game, but starting halfway through

technically possible, but really frustrating

I tried that and somehow my display server crashed

are you on III or VI?

you might have a better chance with VI

er, IV, not VI

I'm on IV since you said that one had English

But I can't figure out how to set it to English

ok, let me download it real fast

@NathanMerrill right. so they're more like parts of a whole game?

@NathanMerrill Nevermind

kind of? He's built the games one at a time (there's no overarching plan), but assumed that you had already played the previous

Found it, tiny text in the bottom left corner

@Pavel awesome :)

No settings button though

I'm just gonna have to set my screen resolution each time

Or do something like wine /path/to/quadrax4.exe && xrandr -s 1600x900

I'm suddenly tempted to see how much I can understand with Slovakian

Since I understand Russian and It's kinda close enough

russian has a different alphabet, though, right?

Yeah

so you have to pronounce it using your english knowledge

and then guess what that maps to in russian

Yep

I did successfully figure out that Konec => Конец (End)

Č is the "ch" sound

but I'm not sure if Unicode works in that game

dunno

Then, Nova Hra => Новая Игра (New Game)

you can press F2

I know now

lol ok :)

Still wish I could run it in not fullscreen

sorry :)

ok...so IV definitely easier than III

at least, to start out with

they give you more than 1 intro level

@EricTressler: I just perfectly solved that triangle-with-corners Tametsi level on my first try. I'll expect a gold star with "Best Tametsi Player" in the mail soon, yeah?

Was it enjoyable? I didn't really play it

I mean, if I'm wrong and it's worth playing, then I could fix the giant font and make 3 of them

@El'endiaStarman Which level?

(ID)

@Pavel He shared a link to a zip file with several "terrible" levels. He's right that most of them are bad, relative to the rest. I thought a couple of them were decent though.

Ah

@EricTressler I'd say it was really tricky throughout. The shape of neighborhoods around one tile is unconventional and it's hard to see what unrevealed/unmarked tiles are shared between revealed tiles, as well as what pairs of revealed tiles to focus on to figure out the next move.

So, it sounds like I should still probably skip it. I did want to try combining small and large triangles without corner rules, so maybe tomorrow I'll give that a shot