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12:00 AM
the game pool would ideally consist of free to play or "cheap" games, or perhaps games that probably everyone has
 
also hosting is tough
 
we could bother downgoat to use his server :P
 
they don't have to be multiplayer
 
they kinda do. otherwise its a "have fun playing game X by yourself"
 
Also, I sort of have a computer that I can (and have) used for a server in the past
It's setup to play starbound at the moment
 
12:08 AM
going from @ MistahFiggins's avatar,
lets do this week's game 2048 :P
 
If we could get everyone's steam IDs we can intersect everyone's libraries and get a list of games
actually
 
U:1:313748209 for myself
 
Steam ID: somebody_cares
 
we should get a list of games that at least one person owns and minimize the amount of money required to get everyone else copies
Everyone owning it is just a special case
 
My steam id is really creative
betseg
 
12:12 AM
A second Steam Group perhaps?
 
sounds good
 
The problem with the old one is there's inactives
their libraries shouldn't count
 
D: there are inactives?
 
in the group made 2 years ago? yes
 
O_o oh two years ago
 
12:23 AM
Plz accept me to the group
 
@quartata did you make the group?
 
no I'm eating
 
Eating the group?
 
yes with artichoke spread on toast
the souls provide an extra bite to it
4
 
12:44 AM
Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon everywhere
I learned the English translation of artichoke yesterday and I've seen it twice since.
 
1:04 AM
hahaha
Anyways I thought of a better idea than a separate group
Im going to try and see if you can assign multiple "group player of the week" badges
That can be our roster
@betseg What is it in Turkish?
 
1:41 AM
overwatch is trash go do tf2 instead ./s
@betseg decent fps works unless you're amazingly skilled and playing high-level
 
oh hello
I definitely want to make a script to aggregate all of our games
 
hmm should I delay buying Overwatch for a while
 
@DJMcMayhem ^room for dota game
 
@quartata you should only include games if a player has more than 50 (100?) hours
because I had no idea I owned Ghost Master until just now, and I definitely don't want that to influence other people's buys
 
1:54 AM
hmm
50 hours is kind of high though
Maybe 5-10?
 
never played dota, what's it like?
 
hell
No I'm just kidding
 
I like it. I don't play it much, though
 
it's a MOBA right?
 
1:55 AM
Yes
 
yeah 've never actually played one of those
 
Have you played any real time strategy games?
 
I mostly stick to FPS and top down bullet hells
so not really
 
ok
 
@MistahFiggins Basically the best thing ever
Look it up on YT
 
1:57 AM
well, Dota has a steep (though not as steep as before) learning curve, and good players will need fast reflexes and precise clicks. There's also strategy as well, but like in FPS, its generally the same from game to game
 
Wat
that last part is false
 
?
 
never played 2 games with the same strat
 
He's not talking about micro
He's talking about general farming patterns/item builds/ability builds
 
Again. Still changes up a lot
 
1:58 AM
carries play mostly the same
 
right. Game to game you make small tweaks, but completely new, viable strategies are hard to come up with (thought they do appear and change the meta, which is great)
 
top-down = wrong way?
 
Yeah there are still about 10% of games that carries play vastly different ways. And every support hero has huge carry potential (3k bro plays carry omni, i played semi-carry lion)
 
> 3k
there's why
 
@Ascii god sees us top down so top down = god
 
2:02 AM
"anything can work" - big daddy notail 2015
 
@NathanMerrill Time to play more of everything then :P
 
@qua omni has a invicibility kill and does tons of pure damage so carry omni is viable
 
so do you move with the mouse by clicking where you want to go?
 
how else >_>
 
wasd idk
 
2:05 AM
lol
 
@MistahFiggins Yes
 
wasd = camera control in pretty much every MOBA isn't it
 
wat
no
mouse = camera
 
No that's moving the mouse
a is attack s is stop
 
i'm used to top down bullet hells, so
 
2:06 AM
wait never mind idk what i was thinking
 
I actually can't stand Dota's camera controls, but I also hate the idea of giving up keyboard space to move my camera
I simply don't have enough hands
 
I tried to spike a PA as lion (with unit target) and PA blinked on me as i cast and juked it :P
 
I actually am one of the few people who always uses free camera even when spectating games
 
@nat the mouse controls get a bit of getting used to but they are ez once you learn
 
how many characters are there?
 
2:08 AM
oh, I do use the mouse.
111?
 
1 1 1 ?
wat
 
welp, I'm behind the times. It's 112
 
they add one every 6 months or so
 
and they each have different abilities, right?
 
2:09 AM
yeah.
 
dota has a ton of heros lol. and don't have to "earn" them XD
 
hence the learning curve i guess
 
i think there are about 470 skills in the game (only heros) and 480 with creeps
 
@2EZ4RTZ they are all available from the beginning?
 
yep. Unfortunately, to get good, you not only need to learn the UI and basic items, but you also need to know your opponent's skills because they will be played on you
 
2:10 AM
yeah they are. THey did add so you can only play the ez ones for 25 games to help out
 
however, they've made a ton of progress in standardizing them
 
@NathanMerrill Monkey King lads
 
like, there are a bunch of abilities that stun you and they recently added a stun indicator
 
tfw you run out of hero ideas
just take one from league ho ho ha ha
 
playable characters? league did it first!
 
2:11 AM
well we are about to get 2 new heros :DDD
 
and reddit is so happy that it'll have something to stop the 2k bristlebacks
 
do we have more details than the promo video?
 
The problem i have with 112 heroes is that at least at the beginning, I'll have no idea what my opponents can do
 
because they were all inferring a bunch from that video
 
no but the pangolin cut off bristleback's spikes ERMAHGERD BRISTLEBACK COUNTER PASSIVE SILVER EDGE???
 
2:12 AM
BB is ez to kill. I (in the 1-2k bracket) can PA counter pick him and kill him all ez. (THe bracket of course is the issue)
 
@MistahFiggins yep. They have a specific mode where it is limited to 25, so that helps. You can also play against bots, but they only play certain heroes
 
Osfrog my finest creation Osfrog
 
I'm actually a filthy techies player, so I'm one of those heroes that add to the learning curve because they play so differently than others
 
add me on steam: Cis112233 Nick: O_O 2ez 4rtz
 
2:14 AM
@NathanMerrill <3 techies
although I don't think anyone else does
 
techies?
 
@nat you know techies players have 1/3 a brain right? (reddit proved it)
 
that's an unusual brain fraction
 
@MistahFiggins most heroes go around and attack each other. Techies places mines sit on the ground until people step on them and blow up
 
2:15 AM
@NathanMerrill so dota has existed for 56 years :P
 
@ASCII-only *14
 
@ASCII-only lol. I'd love to be there when they had 1 hero
 
All Stars started with twenty I believe
But that was a combination of existing maps
 
bah. You know my favorite part of TI? The all-star game. This year's was lame
 
I think i would gravitate towards a movement capable character
 
2:16 AM
@MistahFiggins Since SF gets 12 souls off one hero and techies has 3 people. Therefore techies has 1/3 of a brain (since soul count is based of intelligence since creeps have 1 soul)
 
yeah TI7 all star sucked
@2EZ4RTZ wha?
 
@MistahFiggins safe lane agi carry
 
@MistahFiggins I hate to say this, but those heroes are usually tough to pull off. That said, they also can make some fantastic plays
 
Balanced Spirit
I don't even have to specify which spirit haha
 
^^ this. If you read "____ spirit", you know its a movement character
 
fantastic plays how so?
 
Look up Earth Spirit plays on YT
you will see
 
@MistahFiggins they manage to jump into the perfect spot, perfectly execute some moves to stop enemy players, and zip out
they are high-reflex and high-precision players
 
well EmberS and SS are less so
 
uh
I mean ok maybe not imba spirit but storm spirit is not as easy as it looks
 
2:20 AM
storm is. The recent meta of ember has made him less so because he just goes in and nukes everybody
 
I already did the finest creation joke
uhhh
"balance in all things"?
 
to what extent are there projectile attacks and can you dodge them or do most of them lock on
sorry, that's like 4 questions in 1
(and not even a question mark lol)
 
Most projectiles are homing, some aren't
 
Almost all projectiles can be disjointed (dodged) in some way
 
2:23 AM
:)
 
Usually by blinking or turning invisible
 
yeah. If you can see it in-flight, it can be dodged
the only time you wouldn't be able to is if the projectile is slow
 
You can't disjoint AA
I think invis can but not TP or blink
 
I guess there are 3 different types of projectiles:
 
@2EZ4RTZ ice blast isn't homing
skillshot
er sorry "skill"shot
since it's aoe
 
2:25 AM
"skillshot" is AOE? lol
 
1. Homing, but you can dodge them by blinking away as quick as you can.
2. Homing, but you can't dodge them (usually a slow projectile)
3. Not homing
 
yeah pretty much
 
@MistahFiggins it's actually pretty tough to pull off because of the delay
 
@quartata Auto Attack
lol
 
I've never heard "AA" stand for auto-attack
 
2:27 AM
What
Is
ur
mmr
m8
 
I don't play ranked
 
What lvl are you?
 
It's called right click
 
er, no idea. I have 600 hours though
 
AA almost always mean ancient apparition
 
2:29 AM
anyways, I looked it up on the wiki: "All physical attack projectiles of each unit and hero can be disjointed."
so, yeah, right clicks can be disjointed
 
yep otherwise you couldn't dodge tower shots
 
@quartata everyone I know uses it as autoattack
 
I hear auto attack as well, but never "aa"
 
Like i will get pissed at my crappy safelane support and say DON't AA NIMROD
And then they stop
 
Safelane supports deserve farm too
 
2:31 AM
Not if you are a AM
 
@quartata that's why I like CM :P
 
That's why they're in a lane
 
Do you ever play safelane AM?
You gotta get every LH you can
 
100 gold towards the support can go a long ways to secure the next 500 gold for the AM
 
@quartata You are better then me but don't understand that AA push lane and draw aggro? 2 bad things for safelanes?
It isn't the LH as much as the wave push
@NathanMerrill ^
 
2:33 AM
by that argument, all carries would push the lane
 
No
 
all AM needs to do in safelane is get bfury before minute 15 without feeding, you can farm wherever you want after that
 
Auto attack is continued attacks that are auto done. Last hitting is the art of manually hitting a creep one time for gold (sometimes 2 if dealing with towers)
 
it's actually a support's job to pull creeps, whether they are neutral or lane, when needed
 
Well yearh
And stack
 
2:36 AM
that's not the point though you shouldn't be punishing people who have the guts to play a hard or farming support in a pub
 
I do that all the time
 
even if they're new
 
I played a lion who should get farm. I still never AA'd in laning. It just pushes the wave
 
bah, defintions. Hence another reason to use the term "right click"
 
I do ask people to not do it in a normal way "Please don't AA"
I also will say auto attack if they go "?"
I gtg cya
@quartata Calm down SF
 
2:41 AM
mid or feed
 
@quartata I'm curious: Your 10 favorite heroes to play?
 
#1 tip to be a better Ogre Magi: auto-cast bloodlust
@quartata Safe or feed
 
O_o dota has VR
 
@NathanMerrill Hmm
 
@ASCII-only not worth much IMO
Techies
Bounty
Silencer
Medusa
Windrunner
Viper
Ogre Magi
Centaur
Zeus
PL
 
2:51 AM
Supports: Clockwerk Shadow Shaman Warlock Lich Rubick Carries: Morphling Troll Warlord Viper Arc Warden Lina
I like techies but don't play them in real matches
 
I don't like playing Arc, but I really hope for the day when he becomes viable
@quartata Hence "I don't play ranked"
I always feel underwhelmed by clock and shadow shaman.
like whenever I play them, I feel like I can never deal enough damage
 
SS's value is in taking out buildings and ganking
 
right. I drop the wards on a tower, and I feel like they should be doing way more damage (even though I usually go aghs)
I do like ganking with him, but once again, I usually just stun them and wait for others to do the damage
 
Kinda his job. His nuke and early game right click is mostly for clearing waves
Arc Warden was viable when clone could carry rapier
then osfrog nerfed them like 7 times
Now they got a buff recently though so a bit better
 
@quartata oh, I missed the buff. What was that?
 
3:06 AM
increased clone duration mainly
also strength and tweaked mana costs
 
@Riker ;_; I cry everytim
Holy crap, scrolling through the transcript, I'm amazed at how active this room has been so far
It's like basically TNB level of conversation so far
 
except it's all about rat dota
 
You know, I love rat dota, but I really struggle to play prophet
 
I wish I could play NP
 
like, of all of the micro heroes he is the easiest, and he's got some crazy awesome abilities, but I really struggle to earn money at the start, and I never end up being a threat
 
3:13 AM
So much flexibility plus lulz courier snipe
Yeah farming is the problem. Treants aren't good enough early game
at least not to jungle
 
What is rat DotA?
 
@DJMcMayhem the goal of the game is to take down towers. Rat dota avoids enemy heroes while attacking towers
 
gnawing away at enemy defenses and then running away when the lights get turned on
 
So it's a playstyle?
 
3:15 AM
yeah.
some heroes are far better at it than others
 
Ftr, I've got a moderate amount of experience with league, and no experience with dota
 
dota is a much more interesting game in terms of complexity
 
Well, the complexity was the primary thing I disliked about league, so that doesn't really help
 
yeah but league adda artifical complexity what with all the summoner crap
 
I once heard that there are 3 different types of play styles that form a rock-paper-scissors: Pushing, Ganking, Farming.
and rat dota is basically "pushing"
 
3:19 AM
dota is more streamlined but allows you to do more
like actually being able to deny creeps. i dont understand why league doesnt do that
 
What do you mean?
 
In Dota you can kill your own creeps if they're low on health to prevent the enemy from getting their gold
 
Ahh
Do they have to be low on health, or can you straight up attack them?
I know that would be a bad idea, I'm just wondering if it's possible
 
You can only attack them once they're below a certain threshold.Towers too
 
Wait, you can attack your own Towers?!?!
 
3:29 AM
If they have really low health
 
Weird...
 
Tower denial is rare because they have to have like 100 health but it's a big benefit if pulled off. Halves the gold bounty.
Mostly though denial means denying lane creeps. It's a very important part of laning that League gimped
 
@quartata can you use abilities on towers?
 
Only three buffs
Lich's Ice Armor, Treant Protector's Living Armor, Ogre Magi's Bloodlust
assuming you mean allied buildings
 
No, I meant enemy buildings
Because in league you can't
 
3:43 AM
Several attack abilities can but not all
 
@DJMcMayhem in all honesty tf2 is much more fun to me
 
Pugna's Netherblast, Jakiro's Liquid Fire and Clinkz's Searing Arrows, Techies's mines are the ones I can think of off the top of mind
 
@Riker well yeah they're really different you shouldn't be comparing them :P
 
the theme is the same
 
3:46 AM
@Riker haha that's fine. You can like either one, there's no problem with that
I've never cared for tf2, but I have a blast with OW
 
shrug
 
@Riker :| how
Genre may be the same
 
well that's what I meant
sorry it's late
I play exclusively payload/deathmatch so it's the same to me
 
Ok, so a friend of mine tried to convince me that OW is a MOBA.
 
i sorta agree
 
3:48 AM
@DJMcMayhem that is false
lol @DJMcMayhem 2 convos at the same time
 
Lol
 
@quartata oh! I forgot Jakiro. He should have been on my list
 
Except it doesn't have enough heroes to create the variety MOBAs offer
 
I love liquid fire spamming
 
@quartata true
 
3:49 AM
@Riker Pizza and video game classifications, two very important topics xP
 
Jakiro is nice
 
@DJMcMayhem yes
pineapple pizza is an abomination
mod abuse 11
 
But IMO OW and TF2 have really different playstyles
 
yes very
 
3:50 AM
^
 
tf2 is so much silllier
esp. early morning tf2, I was on a full demopan server yesterday at 3 am
 
haha
 
@Riker
 
3:50 AM
you can kick ROs iirc
 
Yes
 
yeep
 
Overwatch has too many heroes to create the kind of class interactions TF2 has
 
Please don't pin stuff in here for no reason
I know it was a joke
 
TF2 is a severely broken game when it comes to teaching new players how to play
 
3:52 AM
yes
 
especially when picking a class
 
@quartata how does that not apply to Dota then?
 
I seriously have to go do hw I'm out of here now
 
It does
 
3:53 AM
@Riker Stop it
 
I mean, the different weapons that classes can equip essentially turns them into a different sub-class
 
@DJMcMayhem kk sry
 
But Dota has a ton of heroes to add its own kind of varety
 
One thing I like about OW as opposed to TF2 is that when you come across a dva or a tracer, etc. you know exactly what they can do. If you come across a scout, you don;t know if he can triple jump or not, whether he can bleed you with the guillotine or blast you away with the force of nature. He could do all 3 at once.
That doesn't necessarily make TF2 worse
 
you can also just instakick scouts in general
 
3:56 AM
it might be a good thing idk
kick from the server?
 
yes
scouts are the cancer of tf2, only sniper and medic mains deserve access to casual
./s
 
oh good, am sniper main
 
:D
 
That's STAR_'s reasoning about OW (straight from his video about Overwatch trailer release) and I always hated it
 
@MistahFiggins in all honesty I just hate scouts (I main both of above)
nn now tho
 
3:58 AM
@quartata the sub-class thing?
 
Serious play doesn't use unlocks to that extent, and the classes that do are either fundamental items (sandvich, boston basher) or specialists and the unlocks create well defined easily distinguishable classes (gunsligner, shields)
 
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