Minecraft

6:54 PM

@Mego @dzaima @SocraticPhoenix Here is my FTB launcher log when I try to launch Sky Factory 3 gist.github.com/Sherlock9/371f81d828f5f62ddf0a5eae40c3e69b

Ooh nuts it may have copied everything from when I installed FTBInfinity

Alright I fixed the gist

Infinity Evolved loaded just fine, incidentally

Socratic Phoenix

@Sherlock9 tbh you may just want to try and reinstall...

Sherlock9

@SocraticPhoenix What's the best way to do that?

Since I've tried just deleting the SF3 folder from my ftb folder before

Anonymous

@Sherlock9 Are you using the latest release of FTB Infinity Evolved?

Sherlock9

@Mego v3.0.1

Socratic Phoenix

@Sherlock9 I'm not sure, I've never used the FTB launcher... According to the logs, the minecraft jar itself is corrupt, so depending on where FTB stores that, deleting the folder may not work

Sherlock9

7:01 PM

@SocraticPhoenix And yet Infinity Evolved launches, though I haven't tried to make a world with it yet

Socratic Phoenix

@Sherlock9 which is weird... It's possible (or likely) that FTB creates new installs of minecraft for each one... Hmm.. what version of MC are the two modpacks? With two different versions they'd be accessing two different .jars

Zacharý

@StepHen Huh?

dzaima

@SocraticPhoenix Sky Factory is 1.10.2 and infinity is 1.7.10

Sherlock9

@SocraticPhoenix Ooh, interesting point. Infinity Evolved is using Minecraft 1.7.10, and SF3 is using Minecraft 1.10.2

ninja'd

Socratic Phoenix

@Sherlock9 then perhaps finding & deleting the 1.10.2 jar would help... I'm not positive where that is though..

dzaima

7:04 PM

what java version is selected in the FTB options?

Sherlock9

@SocraticPhoenix Found the jar and deleted. Will see if it works

java 1.8.0_144

Also bumped the maximum RAM to 3 GB

dzaima

@Sherlock9 feels very crude to just delete files and hope it regenerates them. I think I've done that before and it has worked, trough pretty sure that caused problems for me sometimes too

Sherlock9

It is exceptionally crude, honestly

DJMcMayhem

@Sherlock9 What's this for? A PPCG server?

Socratic Phoenix

@DJMcMayhem we're just trying to help him fix the game... we should probably move to a separate chat server xD

Sherlock9

7:07 PM

Not on my current internet and on my laptop, no, though I would love to have a modded server for PPCG

We should

DJMcMayhem

Ah, OK

@Sherlock9 I'd love that. I had a lot of fun with the last server

@SocraticPhoenix I'd be happy to do that for you. What room do you want?

Sherlock9

Well, you won't believe this.

Deleting the 1.10.2 jar worked

It's loading now

Socratic Phoenix

@DJMcMayhem I'll make a room

DJMcMayhem

We should just make a generic gaming room

Since gaming is a pretty popular topic in here

The Nineteenth Bridge? :P

Step Hen

@DJMcMayhem or just preempt Arqade's chatroom :P

Socratic Phoenix

7:09 PM

@DJMcMayhem true... also this already exists

DJMcMayhem

Generally I'm not super comfortable moving lots of messages into non-PPCG rooms

It just feels kinda weird

Step Hen

I thought there was a PPCG Minecraft room

Sherlock9

I think it was for Helka Homba's server, though

DJMcMayhem

I thought there was too, but I can't find it

Anonymous

@StepHen There was a room for Helka's server, but it froze I think

Zacharý

7:11 PM

Well, go ahead, they probably won't mind that considering it's minecraft.

Business Cat

We even had one for a modded minecraft but I'm not sure that particular one got off the ground

Socratic Phoenix

This has turned into a meta-discussion about chat servers for minecraft... is that more or less off-topic than minecraft? xD

DJMcMayhem

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Socratic Phoenix

Yay

DJMcMayhem

@Sherlock9 I'd totally love to set up another PPCG server (modded or non-modded)

I had a blast with the last one, I'd be happy to host it

Zacharý

7:13 PM

Not sure why I was invited here.

Socratic Phoenix

@DJMcMayhem there was a last one? How'd I miss out on this!

DJMcMayhem

It was a while ago

Zacharý

Blame caching.

DJMcMayhem

@Zacharý Because I moved some of your messages. It happens automatically

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Business Cat

7:14 PM

Again, I may join but I wouldn't necessarily be super active

DJMcMayhem

I've got a lot of free time on my hands right now, so I might actually be around for the fun part this time :P

Socratic Phoenix

casually plugs my mod

Zacharý

Well, I probably won't be interested, as I forgot my password and username a long long time ago. But notify me if there's redstone golfing :p.

Socratic Phoenix

@Zacharý lol okay

dzaima

if it's a modded server I'd be very very active until I reach really close to end-game at which point I'd just disappear :p

DJMcMayhem

7:16 PM

IME, Minecraft servers are pretty cheap (My gf pays 3$/month), so I totally wouldn't mind paying for it out of pocket (Although I'd accept donations, not sure how to set that up)

Hello @PhiNotPi!

PhiNotPi

Hi

Zacharý

@PhiNotPi Don't you mean, PHI!

Socratic Phoenix

@DJMcMayhem that'd be awesome!

Zacharý

@SocraticPhoenix Wrong message.

PhiNotPi

@SocraticPhoenix there were a few different iterations of it... the original was epic.

DJMcMayhem

7:19 PM

@PhiNotPi Unfortunately I missed the first one...

But I did enjoy the second one

Are you interested in a new one?

PhiNotPi

Sure

I haven't played minecraft in a while

DJMcMayhem

Cool.

Sherlock9

How to decide which modpack to use? Or shall we make our own? Something like Socratic's pack

Socratic Phoenix

@Sherlock9 What's a Socratic's pack?

DJMcMayhem

I can't set it up now though

Zacharý

7:21 PM

@SocraticPhoenix Socratic's (YOUR) modpack

Sherlock9

@SocraticPhoenix The pack you were plugging not ten minutes ago

DJMcMayhem

@Sherlock9 How heavily do we want to mod it? I enjoy vanilla a lot

Sherlock9

XD

Zacharý

^, what?!

Socratic Phoenix

@Zacharý @Sherlock9 I was plugging a mod xD

@DJMcMayhem I also enjoy vanilla, and modded, I'd be open either way :)

PhiNotPi

7:22 PM

I could go for a modded version.

Whatever I can most easily build a computer in.

Socratic Phoenix

I especially enjoy vanilla with a small group of competent and respectful players... like this group :).. public and large servers annoy me xD

Zacharý

@PhiNotPi GOLF?!

dzaima

I'd rather go for pretty modded as I usually get bored of vanilla easily

@Zacharý server goal: golf a computer

Zacharý

Well, crap, I'm gonna miss out.
Need to remember my username & password.

DJMcMayhem

To mod, or not to mod?

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Socratic Phoenix

7:24 PM

@Zacharý if it was long enough ago (+2 years i think) your username will be your email, and you can request a reset with that

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Business Cat

There's a computercraft mod that just gives you computers

Zacharý

I deleted that email a long time ago, forgot that I did that.

Business Cat

Also one with turtles that you can program with (iirc) Lua

Socratic Phoenix

@Zacharý uh-oh... Try to contact mojang support or something, I'm sure they can resolve it

Zacharý

7:26 PM

Nah, it's not that important.

Socratic Phoenix

@BusinessCat yeah it's lua

Business Cat

But I suck at Lua so I could never really use it

DJMcMayhem

Just so y'all know, I'm more than happy to host and set everything up and all that, but I can't until around 0-1:00 UTC tomorrow (guessing).

Socratic Phoenix

@DJMcMayhem what server software would you use?

DJMcMayhem

I have no idea

GGservers probably?

Socratic Phoenix

7:30 PM

I mean like spigot/bukkit/sponge

DJMcMayhem

Oh, is that mod/software?

Sherlock9

@DJMcMayhem I think I would like having some extra stuff to mess around with

At very minimum we should add some automation mods and JEI

dzaima

@SocraticPhoenix are there options when mods are involved?

Socratic Phoenix

@dzaima sponge has very good mod comparability...

Sherlock9

Is my Internet back, at last?

DJMcMayhem

7:31 PM

@Sherlock9 I've never heard of JEI, but isn't it no longer needed in 1.12?

Socratic Phoenix

@DJMcMayhem It's basically NEI but updated, and it's not technically needed in 1.12, but not all mod recipes work through the recipe book...

DJMcMayhem

Oh, there are mod recipes too?

Socratic Phoenix

@DJMcMayhem yeah, if a mod adds a custom machine (like, say, a compressor), it's recipes won't show up in the recipe book

DJMcMayhem

So then should I do pre 1.12 so that the two don't conflict?

Socratic Phoenix

@DJMcMayhem they won't conflict, the mod recipes just don't show up in the book. Most mods do show recipes through JEI though...

DJMcMayhem

7:34 PM

But I meant so that you don't have to see the book and the JEI

Socratic Phoenix

(exception: mod crafting recipes in the actual crafting table should show up in the book)

Sherlock9

@SocraticPhoenix I would like to try your mod out, but noob question: Can I run it through the FTB launcher?

Socratic Phoenix

but you can keep the book closed...

@Sherlock9 I have no idea xD

Sherlock9

The download button just gives me a jar that I don't know how to run

Ah, fair enough

Socratic Phoenix

Also the mod, as its released, is really buggy and laggy, I'm working on a new version that works better

You should be able to drop the .jar in a mods directory somewhere...

Sherlock9

7:35 PM

Noted, will just drop into bookmarks and wait for the next version

DJMcMayhem

Do you think 1024 RAM (recommended upto 12 players) will be good enough?

Socratic Phoenix

@Sherlock9 Right now, it freezes the game for ~1 minute whenever you join a world... which is terrible... and resulted from me not knowing what I was doing xD

@DJMcMayhem depends on how many mods there are... for vanilla, probably, with a modpack, certainly not...

(a big modpack)

DJMcMayhem

Fair enough. Which of these plans do you think we could get away with?

Sherlock9

I don't know if this would work, but one solution may be to run whichever map and modpack is most interesting at the time

So switch out vanilla with a modpack or one modpack with another

Socratic Phoenix

@DJMcMayhem again, depends on the mods & the players, but 2GB should probably be enough, unless we have something like 80+ mods... or a lot of players..

@Sherlock9 that'd be complicated to set up though... and probably not supported by a commercial host

Sherlock9

7:39 PM

That would immediately run into scheduling trouble which modpack runs when, though

DJMcMayhem

Yeah, I like that, it'll just be hard to switch mods because that means we'd lose progress, right?

Wait, that's just for switching maps

dzaima

I'd say it's not worth the pain

Socratic Phoenix

@dzaima agreed

DJMcMayhem

To mod at all? Or to switch out mods?

Socratic Phoenix

@DJMcMayhem switching them (I assume)

Sherlock9

7:41 PM

Eh, after thinking about it, dzaima is probably right

DJMcMayhem

OK, well you guys should keep discussing it to figure out exactly what the gameplan is, and I'll set it up tonight/tomorrow/whenever it is for you

(1:00 UTC)

FWIW, I'm not very experienced with modding

So a list would be nice for setting it up

Socratic Phoenix

@DJMcMayhem I should be able to help somewhat, I just don't have a lot of free time

DJMcMayhem

The most important thing is getting everyone on board with which/how many mods

Personally, I'd be perfectly fine with vanilla.

Socratic Phoenix

@DJMcMayhem the poll disagrees with you xD

DJMcMayhem

Haha, yeah I noticed

Which is why you guys should figure out a list of mods you want. Maybe do a starpoll?

Socratic Phoenix

7:45 PM

@DJMcMayhem we'd need to propose mods first... There's too many to fit on a single poll

DJMcMayhem

No, I meant if you want one, post it. Other users can star if they agree

Socratic Phoenix

Oh... I was being stupid and assumed starpoll was a typo, that makes sense

I'll watch them and maintain a list

DJMcMayhem

I think for now, I'll probably go for the coal plan (6$/2048MB)

If that's not enough I'll jump to Gold and beg for donations

Socratic Phoenix

@DJMcMayhem coal should be good enough unless we do insane things...

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dzaima

7:48 PM

First of all, what minecraft version? Older versions might have more good mods but newer versions are, well, newer versions

Socratic Phoenix

@dzaima I'd personally prefer 1.12, but we could go back as far as 1.6.4...

DJMcMayhem

I like 1.12

dzaima

I say at least above 1.9

DJMcMayhem

How about we'll default to 1.12 unless there are some specific mods that we want that won't work, then we can figure out from there

Socratic Phoenix

@dzaima agreed

Makes sense!

dzaima

7:50 PM

@DJMcMayhem ..yeah. smart actually

Applied Energistics? it's newest stable version is for 1.10.2, however unstable exists for 1.12

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Socratic Phoenix

Arcane Bags, newest is 1.11.2, but I have a local version ready to push for 1.12

Tinker's construct?

DJMcMayhem

@Sherlock9 What automation mods were you thinking?

dzaima

oh yeah, Thermal Foundation (1.12), starting point for tech

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Business Cat

Are there any good magic mods? I liked Ars Magica 2 but it was buggy as all hell

Sherlock9

@DJMcMayhem I don't know the names of the mods, but whichever mods in SF3 with sieves, auto sieves, the generators, and solar panels

Beyond that, I don't enough about the various mods to say

dzaima

7:58 PM

@Sherlock9 Ex nihilo (1.7.10 :/)?

Sherlock9

Though Computercraft does sound interesting

@dzaima That's probably what it was

Oh dang

dzaima

@Sherlock9 it's mainly made for skyblock though

Sherlock9

I can see why

Socratic Phoenix

Randores (when it's released for 1.12)?

dzaima

oh, there's a version for 1.10

Sherlock9

8:00 PM

This is more a concept than a mod that I know exists, but is there a mod that let's you build a structure from a blueprint?

dzaima

@Sherlock9 buildcraft :p

Sherlock9

Fiddle around with the blueprint, then takes the materials out of inventory to plop a house down

Ooh

Socratic Phoenix

@dzaima does buildcraft let you do that? I didn't know it did...

dzaima

@SocraticPhoenix pretty sure it does, though I don't like it (the whole mod) that much

DJMcMayhem

Rope bridge

Or Grappling Hook

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dzaima

8:04 PM

@DJMcMayhem that'd be fun :o

Extra Utilities (1.12) - angel blocks, awesome item transportation, QED and many more cool things

3

Socratic Phoenix

The essentials: JEI and HWYLA

3

Roguelike Dungeons? It's one of the few dungeon mods I've seen stay up to date...

2

Business Cat

I love dungeon mods

dzaima

Simply Jetpacks? (1.10.2)

Socratic Phoenix

@dzaima but 1.12... also it's an addon so we'd need either thermal expansion or ender io as well

dzaima

@SocraticPhoenix I already requested thermal expansion as it's one of the basics of technical modded. but yeah, 1.10 :/

Solar Flux (1.12)

Socratic Phoenix

8:19 PM

@dzaima technically you requested thermal foundation... but yes, 1.10 xD

Sherlock9

I can't look up the link atm, but could we consider Computercraft?

dzaima

@Sherlock9 yeah, why not? You can make touchscreens with it :D

Socratic Phoenix

@dzaima on second thought, how about all of the Team CoFH mods

dzaima

@SocraticPhoenix oh yeah. MFR is only 1.10.2 though.

Socratic Phoenix

@Sherlock9 computer craft seems to only be up to 1.8.9... A bit far back since we're aiming for 1.9+, preferably 1.12... There are probably other similar mods though

@dzaima well not that one then xD

Sherlock9

8:23 PM

Let me check which one SF3 uses, since that's 1.10.2

Socratic Phoenix

here it is, a computercraft update to 1.12

Sherlock9

ActuallyComputers

Or OpenComputers

Let double check

dzaima

Ender Storage (1.12) - 16^3 ender chests for all players and each one separately and ender tanks

Socratic Phoenix

@Sherlock9 OpenComputers has a 1.12 version

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PhiNotPi

^ that looks cool

Socratic Phoenix

8:29 PM

Actually additions?

dzaima

Iron Chests 1.12 - iron, gold, diamond chests with more storage

ProjectE (1.12) - really OP mod allowing to exchange items for equal value and "ender chest bags" (possibly too OP)

Socratic Phoenix

Arcane bags, infinite storage for very expensive... And there's fancy search bars and I really want to use one of my own mods xD

Rotten Flesh -> Leather, because I hate rotten flesh...

dzaima

@SocraticPhoenix huh. is that really in no other mod?

Socratic Phoenix

@dzaima it probably is, but in case we don't choose one that adds it...

Sherlock9

Hatchery, farm chickens for items

dzaima

8:37 PM

That reminds me, Botania (1.11.2 :/)

Socratic Phoenix

@Sherlock9 but 1.10 :(

Sherlock9

Mystical Agriculture, for more items but from plants

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Ah, dang

dzaima

@Sherlock9 aw, that doesn't have nether star crops..

Socratic Phoenix

@dzaima lol, I'm sure there's other ways we could farm them...

Sherlock9

@dzaima There is a mod that turns rotten flesh into beef jerky using drying racks

Not sure which mod that is though

dzaima

8:43 PM

@Sherlock9 that's tinkers construct, right?

Steve's Factory manager (1.10.2 :/) - awesome mod for automating multiple machines to work together

Sherlock9

9:07 PM

So we have noted down mods with computers, generators, tinkering, solar panels, jetpacks, dungeons, cool agriculture, and I forgot some of the others

Any other features we want to add?

dzaima

some people here asked for magic mods though I'm no expert at those

Socratic Phoenix

@Sherlock9 I've been keeping a list of the starred ones & links, just FYI

dzaima

@SocraticPhoenix ah cool. With minecraft versions? Or just all 1.12

Socratic Phoenix

@dzaima atm, no starred ones have been < 1.12, unless i've missed one... (besides MFR)

DJMcMayhem

@dzaima I'd rather not...

dzaima

9:10 PM

@DJMcMayhem yeah, me too

DJMcMayhem

I've cancelled the stars then

Sherlock9

I've starred Arcane Bags

Socratic Phoenix

@Sherlock9 yay! @DJMcMayhem @dzaima I'll take it off my list then :)

Sherlock9

Oh which mod has storage chests and which has item collectors?

That'll be good for mob spawners

Socratic Phoenix

@Sherlock9 Iron Chets is up there somewhere... not sure about the collectors

dzaima

9:12 PM

@Sherlock9 by item collectors you mean vacuum hoppers? That's Extra Utilities

oh.. Deep Storage Units are from MineFactory reloaded :/

Socratic Phoenix

@dzaima what's a deep storage unit do?

dzaima

@SocraticPhoenix store 2.1bil of one item

Sherlock9

@dzaima it's a little black cone with a yellow top you stick to a chest

Sucks up dropped items

Socratic Phoenix

@dzaima There's an infinite bag in arcane bags...

dzaima

@SocraticPhoenix can that bag be placed down?

Sherlock9

9:14 PM

Simple Storage is what SF3 uses IIRC

Socratic Phoenix

@dzaima there's a block that can have a bag in it to accept items or take items

dzaima

@Sherlock9 huh, haven't seen that, but vacuum hoppers should do the trick

DJMcMayhem

Morpheus

Socratic Phoenix

@Sherlock9 I think that's from ender io?

@DJMcMayhem that's slightly outdated, but i'm sure we could find another similar mod/server-plugin...

DJMcMayhem

Like this one?

Socratic Phoenix

9:16 PM

@DJMcMayhem even more outdated xD

DJMcMayhem

Oh yeah lol

Sherlock9

Super Circuit Maker

dzaima

wait do different 1.12.x version mods work together? There have been suggestions with 1.12, 1.12.1 and 1.12.2

Socratic Phoenix

@dzaima usually

Sherlock9

Turns out I was confusing Simple Generators with something else

@SocraticPhoenix you're probably right

Socratic Phoenix

9:21 PM

Unfortunately I have to go offline for a bit... I'll chat from mobile but for ~30-40 mins i won't be able to update the list. Here it is for now: link

Sherlock9

Refined Storage might have been what I was thinking of

dzaima

@Sherlock9 from what I know that's just Applied Energistics

Morpheus does have a beta 1.12.1 version

Sherlock9

Ender io, not sure we wrote it down explicitly earlier

dzaima

@Sherlock9 it's for 1.10.2 :/

Sherlock9

Nuts

Vacuum hoppers it is then