This Is Fine

12:54 AM

@TimStone this should happen more of the time in politics that it does now (which is like none)

politician is asked a question
politician starts going on and on trying to avoid answering
someone yell "ANSWER THE QUESTION!"
we get an actual answer

@BradC did he take notes? because if so then Trump knows because none of his lawyers takes notes

Wipqozn

11:41 AM

Look at him stare into your soul

Memor-X

@Wipqozn why is that going to a private room?

Frank

@Memor-X Because the turtle didn't examine his link before posting.

Unionhawk

12:15 PM

Thomas Friedman has gone full-blown eco-fascist https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/23/opinion/trump-immigration-border-wall.html

Tweeted by KateAronoff on April 25, 2019 at 12:58 AM

Yuuki

> What a terrible waste of a crisis.

squints

That's definitely... a line.

Half Empty

1:36 PM

“Is this a slippery slope where we are going to start seeing price tags on health-care services in Ontario?”

Unionhawk

“I got a plan,” Warren says. Says she wants to change the pay structure for hospitals. If they bring down maternal mortality rates, they get a bonus. If not, they get money taken away from them. https://twitter.com/chueyburns/status/1121151274127253504

Tweeted by CHueyBurns on April 24, 2019 at 8:40 PM

>:|

BradC

One of the better responses to the Mueller Report I've seen, by someone with pretty relevant credentials on the matter:

In an op-ed, Hillary Clinton calls for Congress to be "deliberate, fair and fearless" in response to Russia's attack on the U.S. election and President Trump's possible violation of the law. WATCH: http://wapo.st/2XBBirO

Tweeted by PostOpinions on April 25, 2019 at 12:43 PM

and, the long expected entrance of the "big dog":

The case for and against Joe Biden's 2020 chances | Analysis by CNN's Harry Enten https://cnn.it/2ZA0y3t

Tweeted by CNNPolitics on April 25, 2019 at 11:00 AM

user15026

2:04 PM

@Unionhawk this is not a great plan

Wipqozn

2:23 PM

Facebook breached Canada's privacy laws, watchdogs' report finds
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/privacy-watchdog-cambridge-analytica-facebook-1.5110304

3

Tim Stone

Authorities say 31 people hospitalized following anhydrous ammonia leak in north Chicago suburb. #Illinois https://twitter.com/lakecoilsheriff/status/1121405283773878272

Tweeted by W7VOA on April 25, 2019 at 2:29 PM

The 5th Circuit ruled yesterday that a police officer injured during protests in Baton Rouge after Alton Sterling was killed can pursue a negligence claim against organizer @deray: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5977762/4-24-19-5th-Circuit-Doe-v-McKesson.pdf

Tweeted by ZoeTillman on April 25, 2019 at 2:03 PM

Holy shit, absolutely not

Kevin

So cops can sue people but we can't sue them?

Unionhawk

qualified immunity babey

awoouu

(wolf howl)

user15026

@Wipqozn I assume in the end nothing will come of that

puzzlepiece87

2:45 PM

> In 2008, police seized two small alligators during a raid on a favela in western Rio de Janeiro, claiming local gangsters had fed their enemies to the animals. However, the father of one of the accused gangsters rejected those accusations, alleging his son’s gang had once tried to do so – but the alligator had refused to eat the corpse.

1. Just how many enemies do you have? Is this like a community disposal?
2. Love to deny the charges by saying you allowed your son to do the thing

Half Empty

Woman dead after falling into industrial meat grinder

@puzzlepiece87 hahahaha what

@Kevin can you not sue police? I'm pretty sure you can here..

Tim Stone

@Kevin They can sue you for things you didn't even do yourself!

Qualified immunity

Qualified immunity is a legal doctrine in United States federal law that shields government officials from being sued for discretionary actions performed within their official capacity, unless their actions violated "clearly established" federal law or constitutional rights. Qualified immunity thus protects officials who "make reasonable but mistaken judgments about open legal questions," but does not protect "the plainly incompetent or those who knowingly violate the law". == History and background == === Bivens and 42 USC § 1983 lawsuits === Qualified immunity frequently arises in civil rights...

Kevin

Yeah, you basically can't

Unionhawk

"clearly established" is fun too because it means they get 1 mulligan

Tim Stone

The "We were just doing our job murdering you" clause

Unionhawk

2:57 PM

something can be obvious but not "clearly established"

relatedly, I should find the podcast charles star is on because I miss mic dicta and need a podcast that explains the law to me in my life again

There was some completely absurd case they talked about where like, immigration forged a voluntary deportation document on someone and everyone just kind of went along with it

and then eventually his lawyer pointed out like "this says Department of Homeland Security and is dated 2000, this is clearly a forgery because that department did not exist"

that I think ended up not being qualified immunity because actually breaking the law is pretty clearly established

Kevin

Why am I thoroughly unsurprised at such a tale

Unionhawk

I mean ICE routinely lies about having a warrant so yeah

the document they use is only good enough to pick someone up, but it is not good enough to search a residence or vehicle

Kevin

3:13 PM

Also the thing you linked recently where new york (?) issued guidance explicitly requiring a judical warrant

Unionhawk

yeah, NY doesn't allow courthouse arrests anymore which is excellent since that used to be the god damn lion's den

still is in most states I suppose

They still need a judicial warrant everywhere to compel you to open the door

MBraedley

@HalfEmpty You can't sue an individual police officer for performing their job (well, you can, but the suit will be thrown out pretty quickly), but you can sue the department, although that's generally not a good idea for most claims.

Unionhawk

also I don't understand the case name in Bivens, how the hell is someone an "unknown named agent"

you're either unknown or you're named

Wipqozn

3:41 PM

@Ash Oh of course not

> The Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada says it will now take the matter to Federal Court to seek an order to force the company to change its privacy practices.

We can hope though

Tim Stone

4:56 PM

NEW: We have reporting inside Twitter that explains why Jack hasn't "banned the Nazis:" Treating white supremacy like ISIS would mean autobanning some Republican politicians https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/a3xgq5/why-wont-twitter-treat-white-supremacy-like-isis-because-it-would-mean-banning-some-republican-politicians-too

Tweeted by jason_koebler on April 25, 2019 at 4:23 PM

🤷🏼‍♂️

Unionhawk

good

do it

Tim Stone

Yes I am confused why this is a problem

Bad news everyone,

Biden in Wilmington asked about a message to the rest of the world: “America’s coming back like we used to be”

Tweeted by JonathanTamari on April 25, 2019 at 4:56 PM

Unionhawk

he's going to run on "we're better than this" again and lose 538-0

Yuuki

@TimStone america... great again?

Unionhawk

also cw: the charlottesville torch rally of August 11, 2017 for his intro video

love 2 use other people's trauma to deliver some "we're better than this guys" message

Tim Stone

5:07 PM

NEW: Concord Management, one of the defendants in Mueller's Russian troll farm case, is asking the judge to order the govt to say why it shouldn't be found in contempt for the info it released related to the case in Mueller's report https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5978065/4-25-19-Concord-Motion-for-Show-Cause-Order.pdf

Tweeted by ZoeTillman on April 25, 2019 at 5:05 PM

brain explodes

murgatroid99

5:18 PM

Are they actually arguing "you never proved that we knew about the laws that we allegedly broke?"

user15026

@TimStone sigh

Tim Stone

@murgatroid99 They seem to be arguing a lot of insane things

Just in: @joebiden unveils his senior campaign staff —>

Tweeted by JoshNBCNews on April 25, 2019 at 5:21 PM

Okay it's pretty impressive he managed to get a Sanders, Schultz, and Kavanaugh

MBraedley

@TimStone Oh, has he actually declared?

Tim Stone

Yes, unfortunately

The US reportedly agreed to pay a $2 million "bill" for the care of Otto Warmbier, who was returned to the US in a coma and later died. Incredible reporting: https://wapo.st/2UW15yb

Tweeted by abbydphillip on April 25, 2019 at 3:56 PM

…you're kidding me

Unionhawk

@TimStone tbf they might even be right, there's more than 0 white collar type stuff where ignorance of the law is valid

so honestly

Tim Stone

5:34 PM

Wow, @iduncan reporting Pugh's *attorney's* office is being raided by FBI. Raiding an attorney's office is not easily done. Silverman, Thompson, Slutkin & White is one of the biggest firms in town

Tweeted by justin_fenton on April 25, 2019 at 12:47 PM

(Pugh being the Baltimore mayor who wrote that children's book and then made the city pretend to buy it or whatever)

Poll: Kentucky GOP governor becomes least popular governor in US after controversial statements http://hill.cm/SgdETXW

Tweeted by thehill on April 25, 2019 at 5:43 PM

Unionhawk

lol

batt mevin imo

he's finished now

Tim Stone

That is a pretty high disapproval rate though

MBraedley

This is the same guy that trumpeted his failed economic/tax plan, right?

Unionhawk

no

I think that was kansas?

MBraedley

5:49 PM

You might be right.

Unionhawk

Matt here is responsible for such films as "the teachers strikes will cause children staying home to be abused", "if I can't do medicaid work requirements then I'll deexpand it anyway, so either way the complaintants in this case will lose their healthcare anyway",

there was something recently but I forget

Tim Stone

Snow days are for weak kids, I sent my children to a pox party, this water park is totally safe, etc etc

Unionhawk

also just look at that guy's face, too

not like the son of this guy who will probably be the next governor

state's haunted

speaking of kentucky though

"We took the oldest mountain chain in the world and turned it to rubble." Extraction Capitalism with @thetrillbillies 1/2 https://t.co/VU3i4qkROK

Tweeted by means_tv on April 19, 2019 at 10:38 AM

puzzlepiece87

6:43 PM

Bright news from the world of plastics recycling

Tim Stone

8:21 PM

My understanding is that, in having decided to run for President, Biden last night went "Welp guess I better half-ass an apology to Anita Hill first" and then…did…that, so it went about as well as one would expect

(it was not apparently just last night but still)

Existential Mick Mulvaney: "Have I disobeyed the president? Or have I just done my job?" Amazing get by @elainaplott and @PeterAtlantic https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/04/mick-mulvaney-white-house-2020-and-mueller/588022/

Tweeted by JohnGHendy on April 25, 2019 at 8:02 PM

Police seize parrot for tipping off alleged drug dealers by yelling "Mamãe, polícia!" http://hill.cm/IDRzqEq

Tweeted by thehill on April 25, 2019 at 8:28 PM

lmao

Unionhawk

free him

@TimStone remember folks, it can always get worse

puzzlepiece87

@TimStone Who deleted @Wipqozn's previous post about this?

@TimStone (joking) Sir, are you trying to avoid repost jail by mod-deleting another mod's post?

Unionhawk

probably he did because the link was to rooms/4

puzzlepiece87

Because if so you have been caught.

@Unionhawk Oh right, true.

Tim Stone

He didn't include a picture of the good Birb so it doesn't count

puzzlepiece87

8:34 PM

@TimStone Not guilty by technicality eh

@TimStone You did see the part about the alligators, right?

Wipqozn

@TimStone Exactly

Also @TimStone did it to prevent being inb4

Unionhawk

but also wasn't the link still broken

Tim Stone

9:02 PM

The best part was that after you said something I searched for it and forgot that I can search deleted messages because I'm a mod so I was just silently wondering why y'all couldn't find it

Victory me!

puzzlepiece87

9:31 PM

@TimStone Until the alligators refuse to eat you.

Wait...

Mad Scientist

10:10 PM

@TimStone that's really just paying ransom. Which is problematic in some ways, but not entirely avoidable.

The Mattbat999

10:37 PM

Well, maybe there is someone here.

Oh wait wrong room

user15026

10:51 PM

We were talking the other day about stuff libraries do - my local library is turning a decorative garden into a vegetable garden where they will grow food that can be shared and use the space for lots of education around food production and community and such: wherecommunityconnects.wordpress.com/2019/04/25/…

user15026

I thought that was a very neat thing, and a good reminder that there is so much more to libraries than books

Tim Stone

11:34 PM

I regret to inform you that Jack, after being Jack, continued to be Jack

NEW: Twitter chief executive Jack Dorsey phoned Democratic Rep. Ilhan Omar on Tuesday and stood by the company’s decision to permit a tweet from President Trump that later resulted in a flood of death threats targeting the congresswoman. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/04/25/twitter-ceo-jack-dorsey-called-rep-ilhan-omar-after-trumps-tweet-sparked-flood-death-threats/

Tweeted by yashar on April 25, 2019 at 10:57 PM

Just a brazenly terrible man

@Ash woo, that's nifty :D

Memor-X

@TimStone well to be fair if it's inciting violence should twitter be dealing with it so we can then see Trump bitch about censorship?

Tim Stone

BREAKING: A federal court in Texas just blocked the state's law suppressing boycotts of Israel, ruling that the law violates the First Amendment. This is now the third federal court to block an anti-BDS law as unconstitutional. We won't stop defending the right to boycott.

Tweeted by ACLU on April 25, 2019 at 11:41 PM

Unionhawk

Admirable incompetence, really world class https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2019/04/18/chicago-department-of-aviation-phishing-scam/

Tweeted by MaxTemkin on April 25, 2019 at 8:37 PM

lmao

get spearphished

user15026

@TimStone I thought it was super cool.

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