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2:26 AM
J6 rioters, Ross Ulbricht, Hunter Biden(!), Eric Adams
Democrat Mark Takano re-elected to House
 
1 hour later…
3:40 AM
> Longtime Democratic strategist James Carville on Friday said Kamala Harris’ failed campaign is “reducible” to her answer on “The View” when she was asked what she would have done differently from President Joe Biden.

“It’s the one question that you exist to answer, all right, that is it. That’s the money question, that’s the one you want,” said Carville in an interview with Tim Miller on “The Bulwark Podcast.”
4:39 AM
5:23 AM
Many liberal pundits are blaming dems going too woke and threw trans community under the bus. Seth Meyers had some words for those people:
> When you are a well-paid democratic consultant, or you are a cable news pundit, it’s much easier to beat up on some fake woke bogeyman that won’t do any actual self-reflection and when they are not busy blaming wokeness, they are throwing trans people under the bus. ... let me just say f*ck you all. If you are choosing this moment to scapegoat and demonize vulnerable people rather than aim your criticism at the powerful elites and monied interests who paved the way for the return of Trump ..., you are way off. Instead of blaming marginalized people, maybe look inwards, take some accountab
6:12 AM
> Democrats absolutely should not be following Suozzi’s advice here. It is an instinct based on fear that should be rejected loudly and firmly from all corners of the party. From a human decency perspective, this moment, when trans people are most endangered, is not the time to throw them under the bus.
> It’s also wrong as political strategy in that the party would be trying to appeal to voters who would be no more inclined to lend the Democratic Party their support even if it abandons trans people.
> There’s no also evidence that pulling back on protecting trans rights would benefit Democrats. A recent survey from Data for Progress showed that a majority of voters are more likely to support a candidate supportive of transgender rights than one who opposes them. Those numbers are more encouraging when you see that includes 80% of Democrats and 46% of independent/third-party voters.
> ... when given a choice between Candidate A “who says the government should stay out of people’s private lives and that there is too much legislation targeting a small minority of the population” and Candidate B “who says that we need new laws that restrict access to transgender health care and keep ‘biological boys’ out of sports,” 54% of independent/third-party voters said they’re more likely to back Candidate A.
> Moreover, it can’t be said with any certainty that the slew of anti-trans ads influenced the election’s outcome at all. A study from Ground Media and GLAAD last year found that viewing a Trump ad against transgender people yielded no significant impact on voter choice, mobilization or likelihood to vote at all when compared to an ad that didn’t mention trans issues.
> Let’s blame the trans kids who just want to play sports. They’re an easy scapegoat, and ones who will make Democrats feel better about a stunning defeat by an opponent who has felony convictions, other indictments pending, and a list of other dishonorable firsts as long as any candidate in recent memory.
> It could not have possibly been because the party kept an 81-year-old presumptive nominee on track until a June meltdown during a debate led to a hasty swapping of Harris into the top role with just 107 days to sell herself. Plus, there’s the added bonus that, for the most part, trans kids just want to have a childhood like their friends—far from this pile-on of culpability from nominal allies in the Democratic Party.
 
5 hours later…
11:27 AM
Anyone still on X? 🙂
> It’s become a refuge for people who want to have the kind of social media experience that Twitter used to provide, but without all the far-right activism, the misinformation, the hate speech, the bots and everything else,
@User1865345 no but i still use Twitter
but only for the few who i follow who are still on there and as a base point for my social media syncing
@User1865345 it's more that there is no real algorithm to game
Have you noticed increase of far right trolls?
if someone is posting hate speech or misinformation, it only spreads because the people who follow them repost it, and that gets nipped by being blocked
I see.
This is from Ruth Ben-Ghiat, a historian and professor at New York University:
> I am still on X but after January, when X could be owned by a de facto member of the Trump administration, its functions as a Trump propaganda outlet and far-right radicalization machine could be accelerated
@User1865345 or that could be Truth Social
11:32 AM
🙂
like consider this, the President and a possible member of his cabinet will have competing platforms
I believe Trump would sell that to Elon.
that is a possibility
the other issue is that neither one of them can make a decision to block someone from their platforms
for all of Space Karen's hypocritical whining about censorship, that would be the one time a violation of the 1st amendment could happen and be an actual violation
11:35 AM
He has no ideals. Let's make that clear.
Space Karen as a private citizen can block whoever he likes from his platform
Space Karen as a government entity can't
His honeymoon with Trump won't be forever if this to be believed:
would not loose sleep if he gets severally butthurt by being back stabbed
> Nasaw runs down the history of king-making oligarchs such as William Randolph Hearst and Andrew Carnegie who believed that they would be given major decision-making responsibilities in presidential administrations they helped elect, only to be given the cold shoulder in the months after elections.
> Nasaw believes that this dynamic will play out even more rapidly under a second Trump White House, where the president-elect's narcissism will simply not allow him to share a spotlight with anyone.
> "Mr. Trump may be mercurial, but in this situation he is highly unlikely to break historical precedent," he writes. "I predict that you will probably join the long list of genius businessmen donors who were casually discarded after they had served their purpose."
> Nasaw believes that Musk's departure is particularly likely given that he has positioned himself as a prospective budget-cutting tsar whose plans would deliver economic havoc on the country.
like businesses play both sides to get what they want from government (mainly tax breaks). Space Karen put all his eggs in the Basket which is actually just an upside down MAGA Hat
and Trump is going to put that hat on and say the egg on his face is fake news
11:39 AM
@Memor-X for one thing, never believe these digital overlords. They are anathema of a functional democracy.
@Memor-X indeed
@User1865345 yeh if he does Trump will throw him under the base and blame all the economic issues on him
hell, even a Trade War with China Trump might just blame it all (economic trouble) on Space Karen "not doing his job"
@Memor-X exactly. He surely knows this art of throwing people under the bus.
@Memor-X lol. But highly likely.
pfft, tech bros?
Space Karen maybe
> Every day leading up to 5 November, there were more and more outrageous claims being made in an attempt across social media to undermine election integrity: conspiracy theories focused on a tidal wave of immigrants plotting to undermine the right wing, allegations that there were millions of excess ballots circulating in California, and rumors that the voting machines were already corrupted by malicious algorithms.
> All of the disinformation about corrupt vote counts turned out not to be necessary, as Donald Trump won the election decisively. But the election proved that disinformation is no longer the provenance of anonymous accounts amplified by bots to mimic human engagement, like it was in 2016.
> In 2024, lies travel further and faster across social media, which is now a battleground for narrative dominance. And now, the owners of the platforms circulating the most incendiary lies have direct access to the Oval Office.
This is technofascism:
> When tech CEOs encode their political beliefs into the design of platforms, it’s a form of technofascism, where technology is used for political suppression of speech and to repress the organization of resistance to the state or capitalism.
@Memor-X don't forget Zuck.
> The political opinions of tech’s overlords, like Musk and Zuckerberg, are now directly embedded in their algorithms.

For example, Meta has limited the circulation of critical discussions about political power, reportedly even downranking posts that use the word “vote” on Instagram. Meta’s Twitter clone, Threads, suspended journalists for reporting on Trump’s former chief of staff describing Trump’s admiration of Hitler. Threads built in a politics filter that is turned on by default.
See the brazen revisionist lie of Zuck behind creating fb:
> Zuckerberg gave a presentation at Georgetown University claiming that he was inspired to create Facebook because he wanted to give students a voice during the Iraq war. This historical revisionism was quickly skewered in the media. (Facebook’s predecessor allowed users to rate the appearance of Harvard female freshmen. Misogyny was the core of its design.)
> Recently, Zuckerberg wrote to the Republican Jim Jordan saying he regretted his content moderation decisions during the pandemic because he acted under pressure from the Biden administration. The letter itself was an obvious attempt to curry favor as Trump rose as the Republican presidential candidate.
> X seems to have embraced the disinformation chaos and fully fused Trump’s campaign into the design of X’s content strategies. Outrageous assertions circle the drain on X, including false claims such as that immigrants are eating pets in Ohio, Kamala Harris’s Jamaican grandmother was white, and that immigrants are siphoning aid meant for Fema. It’s also worth noting that Musk is the biggest purveyor of anti-immigrant conspiracy theories on X.
> Whether it’s Musk’s strategy of overloading users with posts from himself and Trump, or Zuckerberg’s silencing of political discussion, it’s citizens who suffer from such chilling of speech.
> A recent Ipsos poll shows Trump voters believed disinformation on a number of wedge issues, claiming that immigration, crime, and the economy are all worse than data indicates. For now, let this knowledge be the canary warning of technofascism, where the US is not only ruled by elected politicians, but also by technological authoritarians who control speech on a global scale.
These people pose an exceptional danger in manipulating the whole electorate.
> “As I said, things could go wrong. There could be unprecedented events that change the pattern of 160 years of history. That’s what happened here,” Lichtman told NewsNation’s Chris Cuomo in an interview on Monday.
> Lichtman blamed disinformation first and foremost, and called out two culprits by name: “You talked about a grievance-driven election, but a lot of that grievance was driven by disinformation. It starts with Fox News and conservative media. Conservative podcasters with tens of millions of views. But we’ve seen something brand new this time—the $300 billionaire, Elon Musk, putting his thumb on the scales through his control of X, formerly Twitter.”
> Lichtman said that voters were given “vast disinformation” on a variety of issues, including jobs, immigration, unemployment, the ongoing war in Ukraine, and even hurricane relief.
> The second factor, according to Lichtman, was what he called the “dark side of American history”—elements that included “racism, misogyny, xenophobia, antisemitism.”
> “Remember, the premise of the keys is that a rational, pragmatic electorate decides if a White House party has governed well enough to get four more years. But if views of the White House party are controlled by disinformation, particularly driven by those that are so rich that they have extraordinary influence beyond anyone else, than maybe the premise of the keys needs to be changed.
> “I only have one problem with the ‘woke’ theory,” Stewart replied. “I just didn’t recall seeing any Democrats running on woke s--t.”

“These were the commercials I saw for the Democrats,” Stewart said, showing a montage of Democrat campaign ads expressing conservative stances on immigration.
> “Those are the Democrats,” Stewart said. “They didn’t talk about pronouns. They didn’t say ‘Latinx.’ It was the opposite.”
> Stewart later added, “They didn’t do the woke thing. They acted like Republicans for the last four months. They wore camo hats and went to Cheney family reunions. Do you know how dangerous it is to wear a hunting hat around the Cheneys?”
1:17 PM
Dogs be aware:
> Donald Trump has chosen South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem to serve as the next Secretary of Homeland Security, according to two sources familiar with the decision.
> that role would likely replace the “climate tsar” — or National Climate Advisor — established by the Biden administration.
> Trump has pledged to deregulate the energy sector, allow the oil and gas industry to “drill, baby, drill”, and pull the US from the Paris climate agreement, which committed countries to taking steps to avoid the worst impacts of the crisis.
@User1865345 wish we could yeet the US into space
evac the sane people first ofcause
I won't say anything for that would get flagged or will get me suspended for another 30 minutes, I guess.
The country is in deep crisis. There will be no more formal words that I can arrange to describe the state of the nation.
But mainly Trump will dismantle the whole climate progress, whatever happened under Biden, for he is already in deals with the big oil company.
@Memor-X Dems need to take some real robust steps to significantly counter the disinformation war by far rights and bro podcasters.
Otherwise more nights like Nov 6 will be on cards.
2:07 PM
> Key members of the House Freedom Caucus went rogue with parliamentary procedure on the House floor while GOP leaders were far away and focused on other matters on Election Day, raising questions about whether the group or its chair will face any repercussions.
> Rep. Andy Harris (R-Md.), the new Freedom Caucus chair, and Rep. Bob Good (R-Va.), its former chair, broke normal House protocol with their surprise move to try to kill the Social Security Fairness Act, which would eliminate provisions that reduce benefits for some government retirees.
@Memor-X oh. Biden administration is taking few steps to avert the blow on climate progress by Trump.
> The Trump-era law required the second lease sale to be held before the end of 2024. The Biden administration signaled Wednesday it plans to move forward with a 400,000-acre auction — the lowest acreage it could legally offer.
> There are legal guardrails to ensure that remaining money continues to be spent in the next administration through the Impoundment Control Act that limits the White House from withholding funds already appropriated by Congress.
The Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974 (Pub. L. 93–344, 88 Stat. 297, 2 U.S.C. §§ 601–688) is a United States federal law that governs the role of the Congress in the United States budget process. == The Congressional budget process == Titles I through IX of the law are also known as the Congressional Budget Act of 1974. Title II created the Congressional Budget Office. Title III governs the procedures by which Congress annually adopts a budget resolution, a concurrent resolution that is not signed by the President, which sets fiscal policy for the Congress. This budget...
> But some provisions are seen as low-hanging fruit for conservatives looking to cut spending, namely the cap on insulin prices and some $80 billion in the Inflation Reduction Act to beef up tax enforcement. But for projects where shovels are already in the ground – or factories are already being built, especially in some deep-red regions – Biden administration officials expect Republicans will want to take credit for the investment, not reverse it.
Of course Republicans don't like capping insulin prices.
> Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Michael Regan told CNN in a recent interview his agency has worked hard to make its rules limiting pollution legally durable.

The EPA also got all its biggest climate rules done by April to avoid the Congressional Review Act, which makes it easier to reverse last-minute regulations made at the end of an administration and previously enabled Trump and Congressional Republicans to overturn some of Obama’s climate regulations.
> House Republicans have voted to repeal some of the climate law’s biggest programs dozens of times. But administration officials and outside clean energy experts feel more confident that Republicans will leave some of the biggest tax credits in Biden’s climate law alone – because Republican districts are benefitting from them.
> for projects where shovels are already in the ground – or factories are already being built, especially in some deep-red regions – Biden administration officials expect Republicans will want to take credit for the investment, not reverse it.
@User1865345 Eh, looks like the judge is just delaying a hearing originally scheduled for this week to allow the prosecutors to respond to Trump's arguments that his election means this conviction must go away entirely; it doesn't presume any particular result
@BradC yeh. The sentencing is supposed to happen on 26th.
But rest assured, jail time is not happening. He is actually Scot free.
And the DoJ cases are all but finished.
Section of the the Democratic Party has amplified their voice to scape goat the trans community. Yeh.
9 hours ago, by User1865345
> Let’s blame the trans kids who just want to play sports. They’re an easy scapegoat, and ones who will make Democrats feel better about a stunning defeat by an opponent who has felony convictions, other indictments pending, and a list of other dishonorable firsts as long as any candidate in recent memory.
9 hours ago, by User1865345
> There’s no also evidence that pulling back on protecting trans rights would benefit Democrats. A recent survey from Data for Progress showed that a majority of voters are more likely to support a candidate supportive of transgender rights than one who opposes them. Those numbers are more encouraging when you see that includes 80% of Democrats and 46% of independent/third-party voters.
They are dancing in the tunes of Republican narratives. Without any aggressive countering, they went to a defensive and as if that helped them any way.
 
1 hour later…
4:49 PM
@User1865345 as a trans person, I think I can safely say fuck him.
and just in case it's not obvious, I mean that figuratively, most definitely not literally, lol.
5:05 PM
@HannahVernon lol. But it is really sad. They failed to make a working class agenda. Campaigned with war hawk Cheney.
But hey let's blame those trans people and the "woke" Culture. That's the easiest way to shed off any responsibility.
oh I agree
next up, rats jumping overboard
More importantly, it's not backed by data. The party which is so engaged with data analytics can't even comprehend these basic things.
@HannahVernon exactly.
Dehumanising vulnerable communities for your historic loss would surely do wonders. Continue.
its as if they were in that meeting with Darth Vader where he chocked his only opponent and they are all kowtowing now.
Lol. But yeh that's the scenario.
It's already sad when dems lost. But it is equally frustrating when those pundit class and few congressmen with absolutely no idea blame all the wrong things for the debacle.
Woke is not just about pronouns, which what GOP wants us to believe (remember Ted Cruz ad or that Kamala is They/Them, Trump is fo you?) But it is rather the fight and advocacy for vulnerable communities, that GOP, by doing those shenanigans, grossly oversimplify or outright misrepresent the movement.
Democrats could equally zero in on an aggressive approach to counter those nonsense. Yet the counter arguments were either tame or nonexistent. These same people have now been yelling that democrats have gone too "far left".
5:22 PM
they don't even have any comprehension of what left is.  They are center right, and the Republicans are so far right they make Viktor Orbán blush.
lol chat markdown strikes again
@HannahVernon true.
I think there is a ton of premature punditry out there - "Dems lost because they leaned too far right, campaigning with never-Trump GOP like Cheney" vs "Dems lost because they leaned too far left, embracing the radicals in their party" are both reinforcing their priors, with little good evidence (yet)
I hope these people don't direct the ship of the democratic party.
if they actually wanted to be left of center, they would have made Bernie the option in 2016
@HannahVernon ohhh. The historic blunder! My god.
We wouldn't be having the discussion of Trump anymore.
5:24 PM
exactly
@BradC Cheney didn't help. Harris couldn't even get a sizeable portion of moderate Republicans back her. Or say the suburban white women.
I mean it's easy to look back, hindsight being what it is and all, but it was actually very easy to predict back in 2015, when Bernie came out as a frontrunner for the leadership of the Dems. They should have ran with him.
but of course they won't because the Democratic party is actually just another right wing organization.
and neither explain voters like MO who voted for left ideas (like abortion protection) but still voted for Trump
@HannahVernon Let's just face it: Obamaism is dead. The decline started when he chose his successor as Clinton, a personality who was already marred with controversy and was in no way a figure as energetic as when Obama started his campaign.
@BradC exactly. That's where disinformation campaign kicks in.
yesterday, by User1865345
> Evidenced by the willingness to vote for progressive policies, many clearly aren't stupid. They can read a ballot and understand the value of a minimum wage raise or protection for abortion. But when they're just looking at a name on that ballot and have to rely on outside information for context? It's hard to understand your choices when all the information you're swimming in is lies.
yesterday, by User1865345
It's an exceptional dilemma when the electorate is not stupid not to vote for progressive policies but stupid enough to be benefitted by a wannabe autocrat. This indicates a grim situation of the country.
Yep, I think "enough voters bought into the GOP's 20+year disinformation" is a sufficient explanation; I'm not yet prepared to say Dems (or Harris or Biden) did anything (specific) wrong
5:30 PM
Obama started out (before he got elected) as a Great Man. Unfortunately, he slid backwards as all politicians are wont to do when he realized that the piper wasn't going to be paid unless he got inline with big business.
he should have got rid of Citizens United when he had a chance, for instance.
firmly reject that take: he would have if he could have. Gotta have a cooperative congress, which he had not much of
@BradC Of course Dems bungled both in campaign strategy as well as Biden administration's failure to address the kitchen table issue and its indifference towards the Gaza atrocities.
(even when he had a dem majority senate, it wasn't fillibuster proof)
I think we all have to agree dems never had a workable majority to pass significant structural change.
The country is divided more than ever. It's really tough for either party to have a supermajority.
Tougher for democrats.
@User1865345 "Biden failed to break through the right-wing propaganda on economic issues" is, I would argue, far more a failure of mainstream media than the current administration or the Harris campaign
5:33 PM
I mean who can forget Manchin and Sinema, the infamous duo, who tanked BBB agenda. And they have left the party.
@BradC there in lies the problem. The thing is the legacy media has been in decline. The dems failed to counter the misinformation bubble because they didn't nurture an environment to counter the bro podcasters, say.
I mean just because I watch MSNBC doesn't mean others are watching.
yesterday, by User1865345
> The problem is most people simply do not absorb quality information. Instead, increasing numbers of Americans have a media diet that is mostly a bunch of lies, conspiracy theories, irrelevant diatribes and other such bunkum that right-wing propagandists use to deceive people.
yesterday, by User1865345
> As Angelo Carusone of Media Matters told MSNBC, "We have a country that is pickled in right-wing misinformation and rage." Political organizers and pundits don't want to face that, because it is such a massive, hard-to-wrangle problem.
Right, and its a non-trivial problem. Its like all the "why don't we have a leftist Rush Limbaugh" hand-wringing back in the day. They've been building that world for decades, and its now firmly entrenched

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