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12:13 AM
@TimStone the most fucking unhinged department in the god damn state
like literally rule 1 of being a cop is DON'T FUCKING SHOOT THE PERSON CALLING FOR HELP ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND
rule 2 is quit your job immediately
but that's another issue
 
> According to Bryant, Makiyah called the police because someone in her house was abusing her. She went on to say that police saw a knife on the ground near Makiyah and shot the teenager four times.
> A woman identified as Tay Jones wrote on Facebook that she had witnessed the shooting and posted video purportedly from the scene. She said the 15-year-old had a knife “because somebody tried to jump her.” The white police officer who shot her never told her to put down the knife, according to Jones.
Jfc
 
Ave
fucking yikes
 
12:31 AM
@Ave It's pretty bad that there's several things this could be in response to
 
Ave
Wipqozn, Yikes to 15yo person being murdered (which I knew), yikes to pelosi's speech (which I knew), extra yikes to the circumstances that led to the 15yo's murder (which I didn't know, and what I originally said yikes to).
 
12:58 AM
@Ave Should just rename the room to "Yikes"
 
Ave
I won't stop you.
 
1:38 AM
The other three officers involved in the killing of George Floyd are scheduled to go on trial on August 23. twitter.com/keithboykin/status/1384620824049733639
@Sterno /r/subredditdrama is currently disproving this, as I figured it would. Iknew there'd be drama.
Including great takes such as comparing the murder of Flloyd to farting in public.
 
 
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6:17 AM
@Jolenealaska Grats! I'm getting mine today
 
I was fluish/feverish overnight, but it didn't hurt a bit. Have fun!
 
 
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8:55 AM
Cued up to the press conference, including the video.
It looks to me like an argument that our cops should all be armed with tasers. If a taser was not an option for that cop, I hate to say it, but that looks like a righteous shoot.
 
9:51 AM
This is yesterday's news, but I just saw it:
 
 
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11:11 AM
@Jolenealaska lol, i saw that from legaleagle today
counter suing that Dimonion is violating Lindell's 1st amendment rights because *check notes* Dominion is a private company that works for the government, but are still not the government
 
in The Bridge, 12 mins ago, by Nzall
Okay, first dose of Moderna has been applied
Had a short spot of dizziness right after the shot, but it went away quickly, and they assured me it was most likely just caused by the stress of the occasion.
 
> Tucker Carlson had a complete meltdown tonight in response to a former New York corrections officer who criticized Derek Chauvin for using excessive force on George Floyd. Here's how the interview (abruptly) ended. t.co/mBOxrsbhaJ
From fox news, the ones saying there was no divide among the country on if Derek was guilty
Fuck fox news
@Jolenealaska Couldn't he have, uh, tried subduing her without a gun? Cops are supposed to be trained in that short of thing.
Her back was to him for Christ's sake
A cops first and only response to all situations shouldn't be to pull out their sidearm
 
11:45 AM
@Wipqozn I'm not sure "your regular right-wing politicians are almost as bad as our right-wing extremists" is something worth defending
 
@Nzall I'm not sure if you understood that was a joke
 
@Wipqozn The difficult part about jokes, especially in the current hell scape, is that they lose most of their comedic value if the exact literal statement of the joke is too close to reality
 
@Nzall Very true
 
12:22 PM
@Jolenealaska Upon rewatching the video on desktop, I can see why the cop went for the shot, since it looked like she was about to stab the pinned individual. I still maintain the cop had time before that to subdue her without violence, like when she was right next to him. Yes, the cop only had a very brief time to respond, but that's something they're supposed to be trained to handle.
They're obviously not, though, as we've seen time and time again.
 
@Wipqozn In an ideal world perhaps that cop wouldn't even have been armed with a gun. But in this world today, I would not convict that cop of wrongdoing. As tragic as it was.
 
@Jolenealaska I didn't say the cop should be convicted.
but this is a failure of the police force, and actually a perfect example of why ACAB is a thing. If police were trained and actually expected to not just resort to lethal force as their first response, situations like this wouldn't be so common.
 
@Wipqozn I haven't seen the video yet, but it generally is very easy to look back at an extremely tense situation from a calm and collected position and find ways to avoid gnarly situations with the benefit of hindsight and the ability to look at the entire picture. But I honestly do not fault the person in the tense situation itself for making bad decisions when faced with the stress of (in this case) an active hostage situation
 
It's possible to subdue someone in a situation like this without lethal force, with or without a taser. The fact police training doesn't seem to put a large focus on that just goes to show where their priorities fall.
@Nzall Except they're cops. Again, they're not just regular folks, they're people that are supposed to be extensively trained to handle exactly these kinds of situations.
Like I said, I don't think the cop should be convicted of anything, based on that video.
but that doesn't mean the police force itself is suddenly cleared of all wrong doing. If police training is as grossly adequate as it so clearly is, then that's a problem. A huge one.
 
@Wipqozn agreed
That is very clear just about daily.
 
12:36 PM
Apr 16 at 12:44, by Nzall
> In an analysis of training requirements in several states by Gawker "found Louisiana law enforcement recruits typically attend 360 hours of training, while the national average is slightly more than 600 hours. Louisiana requires less hours of training for law enforcement than the 1,500 hours needed to become a certified barber, the website said.
so I was trying to find this article nzall posted.. since I found this the-review.com/story/news/2020/06/12/…
when looking for police training
then I noticed nzall cited different numbers and it was because I was mixing up two different states. Ohio is above average.
700 hours is roughly 3 months of training (assuming 8 hour days)
Roughly because I was too lazy to account for weekends
and also I meant to say 4
but that's so absurdly low.
 
just for comparison, it takes 2.5-3 years in Germany
 
@Wipqozn I'm not sure that's a fair assessment though. I don't see how the correct response to "maybe someone is going to be stabbed" is to definitely shoot someone, and also by the looks of it possibly hit the person who's going to get stabbed
 
@MadScientist That's great. Canada is only a 1-year. 6 months "class" training, followed by 6 months "on site" training.
That's just for the RCMP. Not sure about regional police. Probably less.
 
3 years is pretty much the default duration for any apprenticeship here
police can be both apprenticeship and university as far as I understand
 
@Ronan I mean it really looks like she was about to stab them, and knives at close range are deadly. It shouldn't have gotten to that point, though.
 
12:45 PM
@Ronan Yeah. That's another aspect that we haven't touched upon. I need to look at the video again with that in mind.
 
aka if I was in the situation (as an untrained person) I'd probably think "If I don't act now she's going to kill that person"
@MadScientist Exactly how it should be everywhere.
 
@Wipqozn I'd hope you wouldn't be so ready to end a life
 
@Ronan I mean if I felt it was my only response to save another life? I would.
Like if someone tried to stab my sister, I wouldn't hesitant to use lethal force if I felt like that was my only option.
Defense of a third party is a thing
That doesn't mean I'm happy about it or eager to do it.
Although obviously that's a completely different situation than the one above. In the situation above I'm just saying I can understand why in that final decision, the cop responded how they did. To me, it looked like she was about to kill someone. Everything up until that was horribly wrong by the cop though, like I said above. since they should've subdued them without lethal force before it ever came to that point.
so maybe he should be convicted of murder, then. I don't know.
Can't come to a decision like within 30 minutes of seeing a video twice
Especially since I've already changed my mind twice
 
1:06 PM
@Wipqozn again, as I said, even for trained professionals, it can be challenging to do the right thing in the heat of the moment
You also shouldn't resort to violence too soon, even if it is to subdue someone.
Problem is that if you wait too long to use violence as a last resort, you might need to resort to too much of it
What I mean by "resorting to violence too soon" is that it's often possible to talk someone down from their aggression, and that's always the preferred solution, but yeah, police aren't trained for that properly in the US
 
1:27 PM
With a spike in cases being announced today in Nova Scotia, some of them likely community spread, my office is going back to mostly work from home. There's a rapid testing site open today not far from me, I should get tested.
 
1:42 PM
@MBraedley yeah, I was thinking about rapid testing as well. Although I've been WFH anyway.
 
 
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6:30 PM
Garland announces sweeping police probe after Floyd verdict apnews.com/article/…
> It will examine the use of force by police officers, including force used during protests, and whether the department engages in discriminatory practices. It will also look into the department’s handling of misconduct allegations and its treatment of people with behavioral health issues and will assess the department’s current systems of accountability, Garland said.
NC child, 7, dies after being shot by uncle during filming of music video wcti12.com/news/local/…
ugh
> ABC affiliate WSOC is reporting that a music video was being filmed inside the home when the shooting happened, and the child’s uncle Jeremy Lewis was handed a gun and fired it, sending a bullet through the wall, which hit his niece.

> Witnesses told police that there were both real and fake guns being used for the video.
Why are you even allowed to have these guns out like that.
as in, out at all, and not locked up and unloaded in a safe.
 
6:47 PM
actually considering he's being charged with manslaughter he's probably not allowed to have guns out and about like that
Varies state to state, I assume?
> Premier Jason Kenney has claimed on multiple occasions that there was no long-term COVID-19 modelling.

> New documents we obtained through a freedom of information request prove that he lied. https://twitter.com/RachelNotley/status/1384499155654123521
Rachel Notley being the leader of NDP Alberta
 
7:35 PM
People need to stop travelling and not self isolating. I think this whole thing was kicked off by a group from Ontario not self isolating.
 
 
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@Wipqozn the line here is sufficiently long that I'm thinking I should have eaten before coming to get tested.
I would say this is a good problem to have.
 
9:28 PM
@MBraedley Yeah I'm probably not getting a rapid test now.
Huge crowds during a huge uptick? No thanks
 
The line is outside and everyone is keeping their distance
 
@Wipqozn can you buy the at home tests in your country?
 
At least here. Not sure about downtown
 
@MadScientist Not that I know of
 
That's weird
 
9:31 PM
Not readily available for the general population
 
They've been available here for weeks here
 
Would be nice. With the recent announcement they asked everyone in the province to get tested
 
There's also free tests at various test stations, though I haven't used those yet
you can buy the at home tests here for 4-5 EUR per test
 
Sounds like we've only got two rapid testing locations in the province? No wonder it's fucked.
 
The at home tests are easier to time when you need them, but the test stations are supposed to be more reliable
 
9:34 PM
@Wipqozn well, 2 for today
 
 
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10:55 PM
Good news! I (probably) don't have COVID! (Not that I thought I did to begin with, though.)
 

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