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1:06 AM
@Ash I did not even notice, whoops
@Wipqozn get that from me? Messed up right?
@Wipqozn I'm surprised that number is not higher
I have a decent full time job (unskilled though I guess) and I can afford to live in a shithole basement
 
1:28 AM
@GnomeSlice Yes and yes
 
2:05 AM
CW: Multiple people dead after police open fire on chase suspect who stole a UPS van and like…all the people who were nearby, I guess?
Like as far as I can tell there are just normal ass people all around and the police start firing from all over??
 
Yes? This is far from the first time this has happened
 
"Ah we have a hostage" "Hmm not if we shoot them 🤔"
Kansas City council has voted to eliminate bus fares and make public transit free
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12:37 PM
@GodEmperorDune well to be fare Shariah Law, while draconian, is more sane then the shit Alex Jones comes up with by himself
 
 
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2:14 PM
@TimStone 2 suspects, the UPS driver they were holding hostage, and 1 other person in another car yes
 
 
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3:23 PM
apparently mike bloomberg is now claiming that nobody asked him about stop and frisk until he started running for president which, uh
is extremely easily proven as a lie my man
like even setting aside Floyd, et al. v. City of New York, et al. 2013
can't believe mike bloomberg has been running for president for 6 years now
(SDNY held the city liable for violating plantiffs' Fourth and Fourteenth Amendment rights, and ordered a series of remedies including immediate reforms to the program)
 
@Unionhawk lmao
 
@TimStone The real horseshoe theory is that all of these guys are donald trump (they are bad at lying)
 
3:40 PM
Also can we talk about how absolutely dumb the sentence "you're not free if you don't have health care, but you should have the freedom to choose whether you want it" is
 
No, but only because we shouldn't have to
"BUT SIR I WOULD LIKE TO OPT TO NEVER NEED MEDICAL CARE!" "And I will protect that freedom salutes"
 
"by jove, if i want to fork over my entire life savings to a faceless corporation because i sneezed twice in five minutes, the government shouldn't stop me"
 
Just astronomically stupid. At least the premise "if you like your current health plan" makes even little sense
(it doesn't in actuality because anyone who thinks they like their current plan mostly just doesn't have to deal with it, but it's less stupid than "well if you don't want to be able to afford to go to the doctor that's ok")
 
Yeah, people "like" their current plan because they don't have to worry about their current plan and whew do I have news about universal healthcare
 
And even that like, I have a feeling everyone has to worry to some extent about their current plan
I have to send my insurance company a blood screen and some other stuff some time this month so I can get extra HSA money
which I guess is the ACA friendly way of increasing premiums based on health status
And guess how many on-site appointments are left
 
3:52 PM
o.O
 
4:07 PM
@Unionhawk Yep, literally every adult in the US, even those like me with "good" plans, worries about health care details all the fucking time
Did I meet my deductable yet? What's my copay? Is this cough bad enough to see a doctor? What if it isn't gone by next week? Do I make an apt with my GP, or hit the clinic? Wait, is the clinic in my network? Wait, is the doctor that works in the clinic in my network??
How bad is this broken arm, really? Can I drive to the hospital with one hand? Bet I could
oh wow, that's a deep cut. Probably too much for just a band-aid, but I'll bet I have some super-glue in my junk drawer
(Real example, not at all made up. I have a friend that patches up his own cuts with superglue instead of getting stiches)
 
"oh cool it's October and we met our deductible, time to schedule as many orthopedic appointments as possible between now and January"
 
4:30 PM
@Unionhawk Yep. Or, as I'm doing this year, "I've exhausted my HSA funds, but haven't yet my deductible this year. Time to push all appointments to 2020 and hope I don't get his by a bus"
 
4:41 PM
Wow, exceeded my typo quotient on that comment, and its now too late to edit...
> Making this narrative “true,” via the triumph of disinformation, is at the core of this entire scandal.
> Meanwhile, Giuliani is literally producing a fake “documentary” that will “prove” these theories. Trump’s attorney general, William P. Barr, is traveling the world to try to validate parts of the Ukraine-2016 lie, and he’s even preparing to dispute the Justice Department inspector general’s conclusion that it’s nonsense.
> You cannot watch House Republicans, or Sean Hannity, rant about this bundle of theories without concluding we’re witnessing something very different from routine political lying here.
 
Telangana Police: All four people accused in the rape and murder of woman veterinarian in Telangana (India) have been killed in an encounter with the police.
> This is not the first time Telangana cops have done it. I remember a similar outrage against the accused who killed a girl with acid which resulted in an encounter. This was may be 8-9 years ago.
 
5:14 PM
> We, the undersigned legal scholars, have concluded that President Trump engaged in impeachable conduct.
Over 500 signatories, with names, titles, and institutions
Interesting, but I'm not entirely convinced of the value of stuff like this; how easy would it be to come up with a "we, a vast collection of Trump sycophants who happen to also work in the legal profession, disagree"
 
So long as there are solid arguments behind either, I don't see the problem.
 
5:55 PM
> More than 100 members of Congress have now visited at least one of the properties that President Trump owns and profits from while in office, according to tracking by CREW.
> That’s especially problematic now, as members of Congress are tasked with considering how to perform their constitutional duty as the impeachment process moves forward. In fact, 50 members of Congress have visited a Trump property since the impeachment inquiry was announced, and some key figures in the impeachment inquiry are some of Trump’s best customers.
 
@TimStone This sounds great!
 
6:23 PM
lol Van Drew doesn't support the articles of impeachment, gtfooh my dude
Just join the Republican party already
 
@TimStone Oh? Why not?
 
Because he's a dumbass who won a traditionally Republican seat and now will say whatever nonsense he thinks will benefit him
In New Jersey
His position seems to be that the President is allowed to do crimes, for some reason
Holy hell
Like law enforcement 100% murdered their dude and they're just like "Thanks, cops"
 
@TimStone Well, cops have blanket immunity to do whatever they want.
They claim qualified immunity, which is only rejected when a cop has already done it, and the judge ruled it wasn't kosher.
So, do it first, you're golden.
 
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Ash
6:37 PM
@TimStone ....that's really what they're gonna go with? Really?
 
There. All gone.
 
Ash
There were no issues before then?
sigh
 
@TimStone I thought she was the reasonable one
 
Ash
@Rohan what you do now is make sure you aren't interrupting rooms with giant walls of text with no context or regard for room topic or active conversation.
 
@MBraedley She's doing a play wherein she can make a case for scooping up all of Trump's base while being slightly less irrational
 
6:42 PM
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@TimStone I'm not sure how well that's going to play, considering she spent a lot of her time at the UN acting in open defiance of the WH.
 
Ottawa accepts Alberta's new $30-per-tonne carbon plan for large emitters in 2020 cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/…
 
@MBraedley I guess well enough that people were speculating if she'd try to steal the VP nomination out from under Pence
 
@TimStone Does one of those crooks include Trump?
 
Would include whoever is paying for Rudy to be running all these errands too
 
@BradC Wait, what?
Didn't he release the funding?
 
Related links:
(article from 11/19)
Also builds on this DefenseNews article, from when Congress extended the expiration date for the Ukraine aid
But the new info, according to Ari, is in Schiff's impeachment report, that appears to confirm that still not all the money has been distributed. He's a bit vague about if the committee's report is simply confirming the LA times article, or if its something further
Or if its just the 35mil, or a different portion
 
@Ash I'm guessing some messages were deleted?
 
Ok, found it. It's in the full 300-page PDF report, found here
Page 145, in a section titled "After the Hold was Lifted, Congress was Forced to Pass a Law to Ensure All of the Military Aid Could Be Distributed to Ukraine", here's the quote that appears to be new info:
> As of November 2019, Pentagon officials confirmed that the $35 million in security assistance originally held by the President and extended by Congress had still yet to be disbursed. When asked for an explanation, the Pentagon only confirmed that the funds had not yet been spent but declined to say why.
Ha, lol.
The footnote (1016) in the Committee's report leads back to the LA times article
So, while it still seems relevant to the "the funds were dispersed" defense, its old-new (Nov), not new-new news.
 
Ash
7:53 PM
@puzzlepiece87 nods
 
@TimStone I mean, she's not wrong. "Service" is just a really strong euphemism for "slavery". And slaves sacrificed their lives because white Confederate slave owners were brutal. And the status of being a slave was inherited from parent to child.
 
8:15 PM
the article is now semi-protected but yeah there's a bunch that might be worth looking at
and the IP has been blocked from editing
Actually check that the IP has been final warned for edit warring, and the incident is up at Administrator Noticeboard/Edit Warring
even though I guarantee nobody at 204.68.207.13 knows how to check their IP user talk page lol
 
> The organisation associated with the IP address 204.68.207.13 is EOP_GATEKEEPER - Executive Office Of The President.
The look of surprise on my face -> -_-
 
@Unionhawk I dunno Stephen Miller is almost 100% a Wikipedia editor deleting pages contributed by women and people of colour
 
See, checks out
 
(that IP does resolve to New York, NY, not Washington, DC which would be funnier)
to be fair I don't know how to check an IP talk page, mainly because I don't care about IP talk since I should be exempt from IP blocks (but if not I think I can make a request to become so if needed)
 
@TimStone what....? I scrolled up the twitter thread for context and... it didn't help
 
He's instructing the EPA to try and bulldoze the marginal gains we've made with environmental efficiency
 
people flush their toilets a lot --> we need to de-regulate the water industry???
 
I'm actually not even sure what the toilet one is about, but he followed up complaining about light bulbs and how he wants to bring incandescents back
 
more like:
1. I heard some people take long showers
2. I heard some people flush their toilets too many times
3. ?
4. De-regulate the water industry
 
@TimStone ah... that's at least a... tenuous thread between the comments
 
As far as I know there isn't even a regulatory rule here except that maybe you can't use the 6 gallon per flush toilets from like 50 years ago
This is just special branding
Yeah, the restriction is 1.6 gallons per flush, lol
His issue seems to be that he doesn't understand how water pressure works
Which doesn't really have that much to do with water usage efficiency
He complains about dripping shower heads and stuff, just totally broken-brained shit here
 
@TimStone People were annoyed with the light bulb thing at the time, and maybe it took a little while to get better products than the early compact fluorescent bulbs, but we have some pretty awesome LEDs coming along now, at pretty darn reasonable prices
So, I'm cool with it
 
Yeah, he seems to think that all new lightbulbs are early CFLs?
He complains about how it makes him look, which a) lol buddy b) but also not really an issue with LEDs
 
@TimStone sorry, it's not the bulbs
 
8:56 PM
Which there's not a compelling reason to avoid now, the prices have become competitive enough that the lifetime savings and efficiency savings and the "I don't have to worry about changing the lighbulb" savings are more than enough
 
@TimStone Yep. Although I still find myself sufficiently annoyed when I do have to replace one of my newer bulbs. Had a 100-watt (equivalent) LED bulb burn out in my garage, had to climb up 2 stories to replace it. Lasted a couple of years, probably shortened due to the extreme heat and cold cycles in my unheated midwest garage
 
we got some variety of vibration resistant bulb or something that has worked well so far after just leaving a burnt incandescent and burning a LED in it
 
> I think this is what the party is. I don’t think we will see a reversal the day Trump leaves office. I’m curious who follows Trump because the politics aren’t going to change so dramatically. I don’t think it’s Mike Pence’s party when Trump’s gone. Anyone who wants to win in this party will have to appease the Trumpist base one way or the other.
Hmm, it's a little unclear to me what that would actually look like. Right now, "appease the Trumpist base" literally just means "never say anything bad about Trump and defend everything he does", but when Trump is out of the picture, what does it mean?
Just... defending Trump's legacy? Or his policies (to whatever degree you can retroactively identify any consistency)? Or maybe just his "screw the libs" attitude?
 
9:13 PM
@BradC go full racist, full conspiracy theorist, take talking points from fo xand infowars, etc
 
@GodEmperorDune maybe. Its unclear whether that'll really work, or whether it'll just make you look like a Nazi (in a.. bad way? Do I need to clarify that?? I mean, in a way that even turns off the right-wing)
Lots of people have tried to dissect what makes Trump so attractive to his base, and I don't know that we have definitive answers, nor is it clear to what degree later candidates can tap into that same vibe
 
@GodEmperorDune Gaslight, go after all opposition, media, people, surround yourself with sycophants, etc., etc.
 
the end of the interview with a former GOP congressman:
> The Republican Party is in long-term trouble. The demographics of the nation are shifting away from hardcore Republican conservatism and they’re basically doubling down on that while relying on these rigged elements of the system to help them keep power. That’s not a good place to be in.
> The reason Trump won was because he brought in populism, not conservatism. I don’t see who follows that. Who’s the populist in the Republican Party that comes next? I don’t see one. I think it’s a return to conservatism and largely white male flyover state conservatism, which statistically just isn’t going to put Republicans in office a decade from now.
From your lips to God's ears, Mr. Jolly.
 
@fredley love too commit murder to avoid murder charges
 
 
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10:33 PM
🚨 VERDICT ALERT 🚨
Please stand by
We interrupt this verdict alert to let you know Duncan Hunter has announced his resignation
lmao no way
He will become more insufferable than anyone could have imagined
 
10:48 PM
@TimStone He's rich so he can do whatever he wants.
 
> Cops shoot up stolen UPS truck in Miami after a jewelry store heist, kill robbers and the UPS driver hostage during rush hour traffic.
Another motorist was also killed.
 
11:16 PM
@TimStone how tf
 
My working theory outside of Popehat's more reasonable assertion that the jury instructions may have made them shy away from being sure it wasn't protected is that they just all knew Elon would have 100% gotten online and called them pedo jurors
And honestly is it worth it at that point to make him liable? (Yes generally, but)
 
Also there's apparently the issue that the plaintiff asked for really high damages and maybe couldn't demonstrate that he actually experienced damages of that magnitude
Or, from Popehat "Well, I think if a key issue in the case is whether a particular statement was fact or wild hyperbole, you should probably steer well clear of wild hyperbole in trying the case."
 
i don't get how the damages comes into the case. Yeah the defendant did a bad thing but because you asked for too much money actually he didn't?
 
If you're suing someone, damages are basically the entire point of the case
 
they can't say "ok but you only get a fraction of what you requested"?
 
11:26 PM
It would have been possible for the damages to be reduced to something not insane but not clear how understood that was to the jury
He should not have asked for so much to begin with though, yeah, it was just silly and unnecessary
 
And it might have actually made the jury look unfavorably on the case as a whole
 
Indeed
 
11:39 PM
Funny how that worked out!
People desperately waiting on status updates to find out how bad ol' Rudy is going to mess things up this time
This was the thing from the other day where the DOJ said it would be irreparably harmed if it didn't get to execute these folks right now
And not like, the people being executed
 

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