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2 hours ago, by Memor-X
@Nzall hooray, back to lying when clicking "Yes, i am over 18"
 
Oops
 
Burkman is moving the "Pelosi drug dealer" conference to Monday because of high winds, lol
 
 
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1:42 AM
@Unionhawk Yeah dude I know lol I don't like him either
Haha at that onion art
 
 
8 hours later…
9:30 AM
Article hasn't yet received a body, but it's corroborated by NBC
 
10:19 AM
BBC News - New Brexit deal agreed, says Boris Johnson
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50079385
Cc @fredley
 
Hmmmm
 
> The DUP has cast doubt on its success, saying they still cannot support it.
 
@Wipqozn heard that before
 
> The Northern Irish party earlier released a statement saying they could not back proposals "as things stand", and - after the PM's announcement - said their statement "still stands".
> Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said the deal sounded "even worse" than what was negotiated by the PM's predecessor, Theresa May, and "should be rejected" by MPs.
 
infact the last time was how Boris got the job he has now
 
10:22 AM
> But European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said it was a "fair and balanced agreement".
 
11:01 AM
@Nzall lol, (Australia) ABC's The World Program is reporting that Erdogan threw it in the bin
 
@Memor-X Honestly, that's exactly what I expected. In Disney movies, when the teen protagonist gives a speech like that to the crazy rich dude who plans to demolish the orphanage in order to build a new garbage dump, the crazy rich dude also tosses it aside
 
@Nzall yeh but isn't it in this case 2 crazy rich dudes?
 
@Memor-X yeah, but honestly, that letter Trump sent really sounded like something Macaulay Culkin would say to a criminal home invader, not something that one head of state says to another in a letter
 
12:00 PM
@Nzall This is crazy, wow :/
 
look at this dumb bullshit
XR UK please stop
if you do literally nothing instead of this you'll have exactly the same impact, your hand won't be covered in red paint, and you won't go to jail
"getting arrested" cannot be your entire strategy
 
also I think walking into a police station and loudly proclaiming "AHA! YOU'VE CAUGHT ME RED HANDED" with your hand painted red is a felony on top of small vandalism
 
12:49 PM
That classic sign that things are going well
@Unionhawk I just don't understand any of it
 
@Unionhawk It's the UK so it'd be a criminal offence, with up to 6 months jail time
Or more likely a fine
 
I originally typed up small vandalism as being a misdemeanor, but even or especially in the united states that's uh, probably not right that's probably also a felony
for racism reasons
or something
or just "defending private property" reasons
 
Someone used the President's Twitter account to post condolences for Elijah Cummings
 
1:06 PM
@Nzall wait, the letter we saw today or another one?
 
Probably same from the copy linked in the tweet
 
@Memor-X The letter that I talked about yesterday and dates back to 9th of October
 
Ave
@Nzall amazing
 
oh. i thought that letter was recent as in today and it was Trump trying to defuse the mess he's created in Syria. i did not see the date ontop
 
Just... guh as if drumpf didn't have enough blood on his hands
 
so did this letter come before or after he had that call with Erdogan?
 
@Elva Note that apparently, Erdogan had already made up his mind about the invasion, the Trump letter was just the straw that broke the dictator's back
 
I mean the entire thing has been enabled by him
 
@Elva and he can deny it as much as he wants, Trump knew what Erdogan was going to do because he tweeted that they were going to carry out this "long planned operation"
 
1:41 PM
Most of the articles about Elijah Cummings' passing are, as is proper, tributes to him and his legacy. Has anyone found one that talks about the potential impact on his House seat, his chairmanship of the oversight committee, and the potential impact on the impeachment investigation?
I assume that a new committee chair can be/will be assigned by the Speaker of the House; but must it pull from existing members? Is there discussion about who can/might fill his role?
 
2:00 PM
@BradC Give it time. He only died hours ago. Noone has really considered the question yet. At least, anyone with a shred of human decency would first take the time to grieve and pay respects. The governor has already announced a special election will be held for his congressional seat, but anything further most likely will not be considered until tomorrow
 
Any bets on whether trump will be explicitly disinvited from the funeral? :p
 
2:15 PM
@Elva How about the odds on whether he'll show up anyways?
> Representative Carolyn Maloney is the most senior Democratic member serving in the committee. She's the likely person to take over Mr. Cummings's chair following his passing.
 
Did he show up for ... what's his face that died of cancer. Was in the military, described as loose cannon but basically always just voted with the rightwing party, mccain?
 
@Elva I don't think he was there, no
 
Yeah, trump doesn't want to go to funerals... those aren't about him being great after all
 
Of course
Because that is about him
 
 
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@BradC ...wha?
 
> “If the president could deprive the committee of information required for its impeachment inquiry into his own misconduct, the president could potentially thwart his accountability for that conduct,” the attorneys said, referring to Trump’s efforts to block witness testimony and document production.
@Frank pretty much "I knew the President wanted dirt on Burisma, but didn't know it had anything to do with Biden, despite hearing about it over and over again, not only in face-to-face meetings on the subject, but in right-wing media for months"
 
4:39 PM
Here's a Baltimore Sun article that answers my prior questions about Cummings' house seat and committee chairs
 
@TimStone Aren't there any conflict of interest laws that would smack down such blatant misuse of governmental power?
 
@TimStone Wow. Shows that all the "you really can't do that, Mr. President" people in his administration are gone or cowed or have no influence
@Frank Only the impeachment clause
 
@Frank I think we've learned over the past few years that you can't actually stop the President from doing things
 
We now get to witness what the President would have been doing all along if he had no restraints. Pure "stuff everything valuable into my pockets" grifting
 
You can just hold him accountable, and the process for that has already been started
 
5:05 PM
Am I being cynical if I feel like trying to hold him accountable won't actually work?
 
@Frank no, believing the GOP won't do anything to stop him, no matter what, is now the safe bet
 
I have a feeling that even if Trump loses the election next year, he'll refuse to acknowledge it and try to twist it into a deep state conspiracy.
 
@BradC That's a straight link to WaPo.
 
@Frank Trump refusing to acknowledge an election loss is pretty much guaranteed. The real concern is what happens next: does everyone just ignore him while he pouts on inauguration day 2021? Or does the Secret Service "take his side" and refuse entrance to the White House for the newly inaugurated President Warren?
Like, does he retain control of the military?
 
5:14 PM
You'd hope he's made enough enemies to ensure he won't have the support needed to refuse to vacate office.
But, then, he's also installed sycophants in key positions to keep pushing his personal agenda.
 
He can say anything he wants, but if everyone (Secret Service, Congress, the military, the soldier carrying the "nuclear football", etc.) behave as though Warren is president once she has sworn in, then its just a "intruder in the West Wing" problem
Which a call to the Capital Police should take care of easily
 
The furball starts when those sections start disagreeing on who's in charge.
 
@Frank Yep.
 
You can guarantee that Barr will refuse to acknowledge the legitimacy of any other president.
 
@Frank Yeah, hard to predict what would happen if certain cabinet members don't acknowledge the turnover. Clearly new members would be nominated, but most require Senate approval, so take some time. Probably the same base question: who do the subordinates in that dept answer to?
I mean, who's instructions do they choose to follow, in that moment?
 
5:22 PM
Wasn't that the case for a department when Trump first took office?
Previous administrator said his firing was illegitimate, or something?
 
@Frank Yeah, that's ringing a bell, but I'm not finding the keywords to search for it. It was like the head of one of the financial depts or something. Argument about who was in charge after the head resigned/was fired
 
Oh, right, and the acting head took over, but Trump installed a sycophant instead.
 
Yep. Trump said it was one person, but the 2nd in charge of the dept said the rules meant they were in charge
 
Courts finally ruled in favor of Trump on that one, I think.
 
was the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB)
Looks like the issue (of who was acting director) was mooted by the Senate approval of Kathy Kraninger in Dec 2018
So there are hints of similarity to our worst-case-scenario above, but it would be on a whole different level, if, say, there was a serious dispute as to who was the legitimate Secretary of State or Attorney General
 
5:36 PM
@BradC If it results in a split, it may end up that whoever the military supports ends up as the one in power.
 
6:10 PM
lol the "deal" we've made with Turkey is to give them everything they were after to begin with and drop sanctions and maybe they'll not do a full genocide?
Amazing
Immensely depraved man, my word
 
WH Chief of Staff admitting to a Quid-Pro-Quo on Ukraine:
To clarify: he admitted to an explicit decision to withhold funding unless/until Ukraine investigated the (mythical) 2016 "missing server", not the 2020 Biden stuff
 
6:26 PM
Trump is talking up Erdogan now and is still having him to the White House because he's a sucker
 
7:40 PM
Kind of feel like it's not that surprising honestly but
 
"Hire morons, get moron-aide?"
 
@TimStone the "acting" title is especially needless and annoying for that one; since the Chief of Staff position doesn't even need Congressional approval
 
@TimStone "We told you not to say any of that! Why would you say it anyways!?"
 
Yeah they basically said "We had nothing to do with that statement"
@BradC Right? It's all just very dumb
Seems confusing because a) they said they wouldn't b) Turkey said it's not a ceasefire
 
8:02 PM
I have good news everyone,
We have 20 new chances to find apocalyptic bone slurry!
 
8:19 PM
> We learn that he has virtually no litigation experience and that he’s a right-wing ideologue; you probably expected that. But you’ll also learn that his two major contributions to academic jurisprudence are (1) arguing that transparency in government is a bad, possibly unconstitutional thing; and (2) arguing that the FBI Director has a moral obligation to be the President’s lackey. We are not making any of this up.
 
@BradC Those two points are literally why Trump wants him.
He's a toady.
 
Never mind, I stepped in it - the movie isn't a sympathetic movie about Megyn Kelly, it's about Roger Ailes' sexual harassment and the role several women at Fox played in bringing that to light.
 
@Frank Yep.
 
Gretchen Carlson, Megyn Kelly, and other anonymous women, to give Kelly more deserved credit for coming forward publicly.
 
8:35 PM
@TimStone He's probably the smartest dumb person in the cabinet
 
A prior episode of the same legal podcast featured a debate on the first amendment (religious expression/establishment) between the (above discussed) right-wing hack Justin Walker and the podcast host, attorney Andrew Torrez: Opening Argument episode 224
 
A prewelcome to incoming Acting Secretary of Energy somehow also Mick Mulvaney
 
@TimStone "Secretary of Everything"
 
Mick Mulvaney, Acting Secretaries General
 
8:50 PM
someone should tell that trump that if mulvaney is the acting secretary of everything, he's more of a president than trump is
 
:|
 
9:34 PM
I can't read it due to paywall, can someone tell me what the "troubling theory" is here: Mitt Romney raises a troubling theory about Trump and Turkey
 
> But while that line will get a lot of play, there’s something else Romney said that shouldn’t escape notice. He also floated a theory about how Trump arrived at the decision: that he got bullied into it by Turkey and that he backed down.
> “Are we so weak and inept diplomatically that Turkey forced the hand of the United States of America? Turkey!?” Romney said. “I believe that it’s imperative that public hearings are held to answer these questions, and I hope the Senate is able to conduct those hearings next week.”
to which the answer is 'yes'
 
@Yuuki that... seems like the general consensus about what happened. Yes, it is troubling
Thanks, @Yuuki.
 
10:25 PM
@TimStone and the news here is saying that there is a 120 hour "temporary" crease fire which will be followed by a permanent one. this along with the confusion on if it's even a ceasefire smells like spinning political bullshit.
also it sounds like Trump is touting that he's made this ceasefire. a) he didn't Pence did and b) even if he did then he should get no praise for cleaning up the mess his made, just like how when EA goes "oh their wont be loot boxes in the Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order, you can thank us now" we don't give them the credit
 
Ah @Yuuki, I regret to inform you Dan Patrick is going full fash
 
@BradC that means he gets tackled to the ground and cuffed. i would pay for the livestream of that
@TimStone hey, if he didn't take a que from what happened with Michael Cohen then why bother warning him?
@Yuuki oh man, just image how the North Korean talks will go when Kim Jong Un rides in on his "unicorn"
 

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