Zendo

boboquack

4:00 AM

mics?

micsthepick

sorry

had to help someone use a calculator

dollar is True

guessing stones for everyone!

so, guess or pass @boboquack

boboquack

guess: true iff the word has en or do in it

micsthepick

counterexample:

find is True

ffao

This only gets more confusing

Deusovi

hey! mind if I join?

ffao

4:03 AM

Master: first

micsthepick

@Deusovi np

boboquack

Order: ffao, bobo, deus

micsthepick

first is False

thankyou @boboquack

boboquack

@Deusovi could you add some more ROs to make the starboard useful please?

ffao

Pass

Deusovi

4:05 AM

oh, sure

boboquack

master: bin

micsthepick

bin is False

Feeds

Deusovi has added boboquack to the list of this room's owners.

Deusovi has added ffao to the list of this room's owners.

Deusovi has added micsthepick to the list of this room's owners.

Deusovi

there

mondo: undying

micsthepick

thankyou

boboquack

4:06 AM

Guess: true

Deusovi

guess true

boboquack

Thanks Deus

For deus:

True:
send
sender
bend
endocrine
bent
dope
doer
dollar
find

False:
receive
carbon
stop
carp
a
band
bland
tops
dare
jig
train
first
bin

Deusovi

thank you!

boboquack

I may have missed one or two entries, sorry if I did

micsthepick

@ffao your guess?

ffao

4:09 AM

back in a pc now

guess true

micsthepick

so

undying is False

Deusovi

hm

boboquack

micsthepick

no-one gets a guessing stone :(

ffao

master: bins

micsthepick

4:10 AM

bins is False

ffao

pass

micsthepick

I just checked all of the entries on the list, and they are all correct

Deusovi

@boboquack?

boboquack

sorry

master: sends

micsthepick

sends is True

Deusovi

4:14 AM

master: fend

fend is True

master: tied

tied is False

mondo: enough - guess true

Deusovi

guess true

ffao

4:16 AM

guess true

enough is True

what.

ooh

this shows you how much we know

micsthepick

sorry

ppperry

4:17 AM

yah

Deusovi

oh

ffao

it's not your fault that we're clueless

Deusovi

no he updated it

micsthepick

it is my fault that I just stuffed up

ffao

ohhh kay I didn't see the update

boboquack

4:18 AM

guess:

ffao

you should have just posted a new message, the edit is easy to miss

micsthepick

yeah sorry

boboquack

guess: words with do or en, or the word find, are the only words that are true

ffao

lol bobo just wants a new example

Deusovi

yeah, nothing wrong with that

micsthepick

4:19 AM

counterexample:

indecisive is True

hey @Wen1now, want to join?

Wen1now

Hmm

Is it alright if I spectate instead?

Deusovi

mondo: blind

micsthepick

That is perfectly fine

Deusovi

guess true

ffao

guess true

boboquack

4:21 AM

guess true

@ppp you playing now?

ppperry

yes

micsthepick

Order: ffao, bobo, deus, ppp

ppperry

(and I changed my mind)

boboquack

True:
send
sender
bend
endocrine
bent
dope
doer
dollar
find
sends
fend
enough
indecisive

False:
receive
carbon
stop
carp
a
band
bland
tops
dare
jig
train
first
bin
undying
bins
tied

Deusovi

don't guess based on other people's

ffao

4:22 AM

be your own person, ppp :P

micsthepick

@ppperry about?

Deusovi

anyway, the result, @mics?

ppperry

no, I realized my idea that made that false was inconsistent with the knowns.

micsthepick

blind is True

Deusovi

guess: a koan has the Buddha-nature iff it contains "en", "do", or "ind" as substrings

(probably wrong, but I want a counterexample)

boboquack

4:24 AM

hehe

we're just going for the Trues, aren't we

Deusovi

nah, the falses are good info too

micsthepick

counterexample:

pond is True

Deusovi

obviously the rule ISN'T going to be a bunch of random substrings that make a word true, but that seems promising so far

@ppp, you're up

(not using my other guessing stone)

ppperry

what

Deusovi

it's your turn

ppperry

4:26 AM

let me think ...

I can't come up with anything

Deusovi

just think of a word to test

ppperry

oh

Deusovi

do you know how this game works?

ppperry

yes

master: an

micsthepick

an is False

Deusovi

4:28 AM

rules explanation - let me know if this looks good to you all?

Zen Buddhism has a tradition of riddles, called kōans, that Buddhists meditate on to gain enlightenment. Many of these riddles involve the mysterious quality of the "Buddha-nature". In this game, we will be doing something similar, but with a more attainable type of "enlightenment" - figuring out a hidden rule.

One player is the Master: they come up with a rule that judges "koans" as having the Buddha-nature or not. Here, a "koan" is simply a thing that can be judged. For instance, the rule might be something along the lines of:

5

micsthepick

(going to get a drink)

boboquack

@ppp on your SO profile - is 'Homechooled' intentional?

ppperry

I don't care,

it's inaccurate now anyways

micsthepick

(back)

Deusovi

@ffao?

ffao

4:31 AM

master: em

micsthepick

ohh

em is False

boboquack

master: frond

ffao

was that supposed to be enlightening? I'm not enlightened yet, master

micsthepick

frond is True

whether or not it enlightens depends largely on the question, not the master

but the master is not always correct

ffao

now you're sounding like an actual Buddhist master

Deusovi

4:33 AM

master: fund

micsthepick

fund is True

Wen1now

Just sound philosophical and you'll have it

Deusovi

the trick is to say a lot of words but not say a lot of things

ppperry

is it my turn?

Deusovi

(no offense to actual Buddhists, of course :P this is for sounding like a Buddhist master, not being one)

@micsthepick oh!

micsthepick

4:34 AM

just to be sure it is seen

Deusovi

that changed

micsthepick

fund is True

ffao

another update to true, if no one noticed

Wen1now

Did fund just change

Deusovi

yes, ppp

ppperry

4:35 AM

master: bane

bane is False

master: doctorand

what's a doctorand?

doctorand is True

ffao

someone who is getting a doctorate

passing

boboquack

4:38 AM

master: indium

micsthepick

indium is True

should I unstar the last post in starred?

boboquack

... I've earned the enthusiast badge on PPCG and I haven't been trying to get it

@micsthepick think it's fine

i.e. leave it?

yep

master: fond

4:40 AM

Enthusiast?

micsthepick

fond is True

Wen1now

That's 30 days, right?

Deusovi

@ppp?

boboquack

@Wen1now visit site for 30 consecutive UTC days

ppperry

master: india

boboquack

4:41 AM

is that contact-defendable?

(as a proper noun)

micsthepick

hmm

Deusovi

india ink is a thing

I think it's written lowercase

boboquack

ah

Not according to wikipedia

micsthepick

oops

Deusovi

huh. alright

boboquack

4:42 AM

'Example of India ink on paper, Zeedijk by Gustaaf Sorel, (1939)'

micsthepick

india is True

ffao

otoh, india is scrabble-legal

ppperry

in Contact, Aug 18 at 0:24, by Rubio

Defenders' words must be a single, Scrabble legal word (excluding tile restrictions). (not to say "in the scrabble dictionary", but - a single, non-proper, non-capitalized, non-hyphenated, non-abbreviated, non-initialism word)
Attackers can use anything they think someone might guess.

in fact, India properly capitalized wouldn't be a valid koan.

micsthepick

^

ffao

master: ed

micsthepick

4:44 AM

ed is False

ffao

guessing a word that contains en, do, ind, ond or und

boboquack

sorry

ffao

the list of random substrings is growing

boboquack

@ffao undying

ffao

oh yeah, I forgot about undying

Deusovi

4:45 AM

yeah, not und

boboquack

@Deusovi fund?

ffao

I guess you answered for mics, your turn bobo

Deusovi

(I was going to do the same on my turn)

oh, right.

welp.

boboquack

mondo: end

guess false

ffao

undying is actually not on my list, that's why I forgot about it

ppperry

4:45 AM

guess true

guess true

guess false

end is True

oh wait, en. duh.

I have a guessing stone from long ago...

I'm pretty sure?

Yeah - from 'blind'

guess; true iff it is a word with do, en, ind, ond or und in it but is not undying

Deusovi

4:48 AM

pff

boboquack

(fishing for clues)

ffao

pff

Deusovi

we're so good at this game, everyone

boboquack

(i'd pff myself)

micsthepick

sheesh

Wen1now

4:49 AM

pff

boboquack

it must be close to approximating mics' rule if they're having trouble finding a counterexample

micsthepick

counterexample:

Deusovi

(remember, counterexamples can be false too)

micsthepick

undying is True

ffao

what.

boboquack

4:50 AM

...?

Deusovi

what?

micsthepick

did I say the opposite ever?

Deusovi

you said it was false!

boboquack

41 mins ago, by micsthepick

undying is False

Deusovi

41 mins ago, by micsthepick

undying is False

micsthepick

4:51 AM

I'm so sorry

Deusovi

...

boboquack

well, now time reverses to ffao's guess

since it doesn't have a counterexample

micsthepick

what was ffao's guess?

Deusovi

and we all have one more guessing stone, since we all thought it was true

Wen1now

Time reversal is one of the coolest sciences (n)ever invented

boboquack

4:52 AM

@micsthepick same as mine, without the exception of undying

ffao

I guessed a word that contains en, do, ind, ond or und

micsthepick

okay then

zed is True

ffao

interesting

boboquack

Can I change my guess then?

since it explicitly relied on the counterexample?

Deusovi

sure

ffao

4:56 AM

that would make sense yes

ppperry

I have to go now. Goodbye

boboquack

guess is the same except I'm adding ze as one of the strings

Deusovi

(I was wondering what could possibly be wrong with UNDYING for so long)

boboquack

Order: ffao, bobo, deus

micsthepick

once again, so sorry

Deusovi

4:56 AM

oh duh

I know the rule

micsthepick

:D

boboquack

Ooh, pressure's on to get it before deus

ffao

thanks Deus, I thought I was trapped in a game of Zendo-black-hole

boboquack

I've got one more guessing stone after this

Deusovi

wait though

ffao

4:57 AM

and I can't get it anymore anyway, so I'm just having popcorn here

micsthepick

ohh dear, here it comes

Deusovi

I would have guessed after ffao did had UNDYING not been wrong

so...

not sure how to handle it

hold on, @mics

micsthepick

Would you have guessed correctly?

Deusovi

are you sure BAND and BLAND are false?

boboquack

^

micsthepick

4:58 AM

absolutely not

!!!

Deusovi

well, that changes everything

ffao

.............................

Deusovi

you said you double-checked the list too!

why do you think we were so specific avoiding ND as a string?

uggghhhhh

anyway, can I just give the rule now?

ffao

this rule doesn't look that hard to check

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