@amWhy goodness, no one is blurring boundaries.

first, it was suggestion, and he was discussing it with the other mods.

second, you're criticizing it without even understanding it.

third, please look at how worldbuilding advertises their blog to get the idea.

finally, as i've said time and time again: chat is on topic on meta!

go ahead and vtc every question about chat on meta if you want, but that's not how it works.

i'm sorry, but this is just getting so painful.

others have agreed with me in that you're coming across as very unhelpful and aggressive, so it's not just me being some naive happy-fun-butterflies-go-lucky kid.

@heather False

i have to go now, i will read comments later

night

this thing can and probably will be abused by people using it to either con people or make classes for fun cause they're kids and don't know any better.

@heather wat. You just joined. ._.

@heather What I claimed to be false is your "second, you're criticizing it without even understanding it." First, "it" is far too vague. By I understand a whole lot of your "it"s.

@heather there's nothing wrong with suggestions. Even bad ones are welcome. Is it wrong for us to say it is bad suggestion in our eyes? We know it is in good faith and do not intend to make personal attacks or say you are wrong to promote this. We're just not as quick to say "yeah, let's integrate it into the whole site".

@amWhy btw, I should apologize for saying that. But tbf, nothing I said there was false, but it probably was prompted some by me being a tad bit rude. :p

mostly I was just warning them not to get on your bad side. XD

(by being rude)

regardless let's get back on topic

@Typhon No problem, @Typhon.

If I understand correctly we want to make an advertisement in the meta box to mention upcoming classes?

If so, then that's a poor use of that.

not because of chat vs. meta issues.

my reasoning is that we have an event list that people can view

if we want to link that on the main page, then coolio. But let's not discriminate between particular types of events. From a programming aspect, that's going to need a whole separate database table, a bunch of new code, etc.

let's just put a link to "chat events" on the main site

then people aren't bombarded with all of them at once

if something truly special is going on, then just put it in a meta post

for instance if this takes off and <insert famous mathematician> decides to pop in for a Q&A lecture of some kind.

then I could see a meta post being written

bit I don't think (for instance) @SimplyBeautifulArt (a quite brillaint teenager) needs a meta advertisement for his calculus class. People looking for one in chats will find it.

that's my 2 cents on that matter

@Typhon Why 2 cents? That is a strange amount of coins to drop into the hat.

@SimplyBeautifulArt it's a figure of speech. "your two cents" means your opinion on a matter.

in the off chance you knew that and that was a pun...

lmao

=) Well, good night

hmm?

it's not even remotely night time

i just know nobody else here was discussing

and i had nothing else to say that wasn't already said

@heather If that's true, it's likely to have been from users who have only heard your "version" of things, and who "like you" and so agree with whatever you say. . I'll be honest back at you. Many others have come to recognize your tendency to dismiss cautions about, suggestions for, implementing your idea, and your naivete, and have told me so. But note, my only motivation wrt addressing this whole idea is for the mere fact, I want it to succeed.

@heather If I completely gave up on the idea, you'd hear nothing from me; I'd simply be crossing my arms, with a smirk on my face, just waiting for (as Asaf puts it) this idea to crash and burn. But, despite my attempt to help make this work by highlighting cautions, and noting what consequences you might face, if certain features are not addressed, your efforts may crash and burn, you insist on characterizing me as obstructive, harsh, user , etc.,

Then I willl likely stand aside, and let your ill-prepared implementation crash and burn. At this point, I'm am seeing a diminished distinction between your behavior and Amin's

And, let's be honest (and this is where I have received a lot of agreement). The fact that you are a teenager overseeing the creation of "classes at MSE", starting with on class on calculus which is "taught by (guided by, coordinated by) another teenager is, at best, something possibly useful for high school calculus students (and perhaps for yungens that never reached the point of taking high school calculus, but want to learn and prepare for college math).

At worst, your ill-prepared launch may actually harm would be calculus-students looking for help. I say this because I care what happens. I care enough to help make the first step, as you call it, towards successful execution, and I care enough to also consider what might be at stake for would be students (participants.) If that makes me "obstructive" in your view, and you choose to dismiss my concerns, do so at your own peril, and the peril of a few users, as well.

@amWhy I've looked back in the transcript and what I found was that @heather quite simply asked to discuss one thing/potential issue/potential problem at a time. That's not 'dismissing' anyone. If you want it to succeed, would it maybe be a good idea to take one problem at a time, explain why it's a problem (if it's not obvious), then discuss potential solutions until everyone is reasonably happy with the outcome? instead of telling @heather she's being dismissive with no evidence

@amWhy I've met plenty of exceptionally bright teenagers (and younger) over the years. Being a teenager by itself has no bearing on how good you are at something

@Mithrandir24601 I never question their intelligence. But teaching and coordinating requires maturity. Being brilliant at.... (any subject in math) tells us nothing about "being responsible, overlooking, anticipating problems, dealing with those (non-mathematical) problems, and knowing and having experience teaching (and not only one on one tutoring). So, yes, maturity does matter. Being an exceptionally bright teenager has does not positively correlate with one's maturity and ability to teach.

No, but one of the best teachers I ever had was only just past being a teenager, so equally, for 'being good at [particular thing]', the [particular thing] can be teaching

(They also happened to be the best physicist in their year)

I have never said this project can never work! I never said it is entirely wrong to have un-experienced users making this work. But both heather and SBA have only responded to matters that need to be handled, by hand-waving. Target audience never was identified.

I suggested earlier that the target audience should be high school students in high school calculus for the first time, or those who've covered pre-cal but also want to pursue high school level calculus as well, and/or those self-studying who have worked themselves up to, and including pre-cal. But, like I said, heather, SBA, and others, like you, have entirely dismissed/passed over/avoided addressing more than a handful of questions/suggestions.

@Mithrandir24601 What I continuously hear is , "we'll just figure this all out on the fly"... it's just an experiment" (involving potential students who haven't been warned that this is all nothing more than a "trial".) Again, I've said all along, do

@amWhy Found it: "I think I've expressed quite clearly what is going to happen at the event on Saturday - the coordinated study's book/syllabus/etc will be discussed. Questions of Simply can also be asked"

So far, we've got an idea and on Saturday, will deal with things such as "who is this geared towards" and "are SBA and [me] capable of teaching that" as we simply don't know who's going to be interested and so, what exact level to put things at until then. If things have to stop/restart then, that's fine. I believe that @SimplyBeautifulArt has a plan (as in, this was mentioned somewhere) on what they're going to teach, but plans may (or may not) have to change

The first comment you linked to was posted only after I brought up questions about the need to select a text/online text/resources, create a syllabus, etc. I believe heather answered to the effect "ahhh, good point. I hadn't thought of that." Were it not for some of my nudging, Saturday would have amounted to nothing but chat. "I've expressed quite clearly..." (only after my asking for clarification, ignored considerations).

@amWhy In that case, thanks for your help and input :)