morning :)

morning!

tough one that, probably also very country dependent

also not sure if that fits 'interpersonal skills', come to think of it :)

It doesn't. Asking whether you should or shouldn't do anything is not on-topic here :)

out of curiosity, where can I find the definition for 'on topic' for interpersonal skills? :)

interpersonal.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic < The help center. Every site has it's own /help/on-topic page (it's even a magic link, if you type [/help/on-topic] in a comment it will automatically link) where it describes what is on (but also a bit what is off)-topic

I'm pretty good at sniffing out information, but I missed that one... I also noticed this on-topic page is not directly linked from the 'Ask a public question' form... if this was available there, it might cut down on off-topic questions by quite a bit :)

Would be useful if both under 'helpful links' and the 'Asking a good question' popup (especially the latter), there would be a direct link to said page

You mean this page? It's on there, it's just not called 'help/on-topic' but it's linked in "Be on-topic Our community is defined by a specific set of topics that you can view in the help center; "

But yeah, perhaps seeing if the helpful links bulletin can include it.... It's not moderator-editable, but...

@Tinkeringbell no, that is very generic and relates more to how to ask questions... I specifically mean the page (per community) that specifies what is and isn't on-topic :)

Hmm. I may need a sock.

Because this is what I see when I press 'ask question':

So no 'Asking a good question' popup, which means I assumed you were talking about the "Find more information about how to ask a good question here" in the Helpful Links section XD

@Tinkeringbell None of these link to the on/off-topic description

@Tinkeringbell same in the popup

Yeah, it's a good point. It's now hidden a few clicks away.

I don't see the popup though :P

@Tinkeringbell this may seem trivial, but I reckon a lot of people who come in have a burning question, and it's human nature to want to not extensively browse through the manual before doing so... So providing the information required in a quick and concise manner goes a long way :)

Yes, and no :P It only works then for those that do want to read :P

It's not so much about willingness to read in general, but what you feel is important (and possibly counterintuitive to the user), vs everything else... I bet that if you do a count of 'off topic' posts from all but the most frequent users, 'interpersonal skills' will receive a lot of off topic fluff

Yes, we have one of the highest closed questions percentages on the network...

And it's understandable, because the title is not one that ends up in every day speech, so it probably confuses people - hence all those questions

So there ya go :)

tl;dr: would be useful to have the on/off-topic description linked (perhaps in bold and/or summarised) in the 'ask a question' interface :)

There's a whole backload of stuff that needs fixing, tbh. I proposed a new version for /help/on-topic back in 2020, and I still need to get around to rolling that out :|

It can probably use yet another meta discussion at this point.

hehe, ouch

I guess interface changes is something that the paid staff do?

Yes.

A select few help center articles can be edited by moderators, and we can add custom close reasons to the close vote dialog (up to 3, if we need/want more we need to ask too) but that's about it.

Hi there

o/

Oh good! my favourite Dutch mod id here :D

is*

There's quite a few Dutch mods... so I'll take it ;)

maybe, but 1. dunno any of them but you 2. no one can knit Yoda like you did :D

Was looking for you though ;) Can I bother you for a couple of minutes, not related to IPS ?

About Dutch "culture" (habits?)

Sure :)

What do you need to know? :D

Knitting Yoda :D

@OldPadawan Yes, we love cheese... get over it :P

@MiG It was crochet :P

But I get tired of pointing that out XD

Both are 'ver van mijn bed show' I'm afraid :P

@Tinkeringbell Nah, I keep it in a jar on my shelf.

@Sarov Ah, glad to know it's not entirely gone, just being carefullly preserved :D

Of course. All responsible tongue-holders should.

Oh well, I get to pick a few flaws, being not responsible is one I really like.

Wait how did you get to pick flaws?

When you roll your charecter of course

@Sarov Privilege :P

I demand a reroll.

We'd need a PK first

THERE WON'T BE ANY KILLING OF THE PARROT.

Player not Parrot...

Death by murder isn't one of the flaws I chose!

checks to see if @Tinkeringbell is nailed to her perch

Any pining for fjords?

None at all, nasty things, fjords.

Too far away.

Too cold most of the time too, and when the temperature is tolerable, there's mosquitos.

I've heard of them but I don't actually know what a fjord is.

a long, narrow inlet with steep sides or cliffs, created by a glacier.

Ahsee.

Invented by zee Norwegians to cover up for their lack of beaches and palm trees

"Come be cold with us in Norway!"

jeez... BTK ! @Tinkeringbell : it's about language and usage. I watched "undercover" in Dutch (and English and French to check this out, but didn't help). Many many times, they use french or english words instead of dutch words. I mean like "f***" word, "of course", "merci", "au revoir", and so on. I made sure of this checking the subtitles in other languages, and they're not look-alike words (even if they sounded so with some accents).

My Q: is it common in your everyday language? or just in series/shows? I can't remember Dutch acquaintances speaking that way, even though it was decades ago...

Sounded weird to hear those words, even if I'm used to vlaams accent

@MiG : yeah! and you grow tulipes, ride bicycles and smoke weed :D

@OldPadawan I think it depends on where you are, and who you're hanging around. I can't imagine doing this where I'm from, but I can imagine in student cities (or cities in general) it's more usual.

"F***" is rather common though. Just as Sh*t.

sounded as weird as Howard Wolowitz using french expressions :))

The french loan words are usually used to sound more posh, I guess. I never heard 'of course' used a lot, over here it's just still 'natuurlijk'. :)

@OldPadawan Hahaha language is a weird thing :)

well, english speaking folks (especially in the US) are commonly using french words, but it's really to posh out too I guess ^^

well, thanks for the input though, I'll share it tonight, she'll be happy to know that too

@JourneymanGeek good to see him again

@OldPadawan I haven't seen the series yet, but Tom Waes is Flemish (i.e. Belgian)... French loan words are very common there

@OldPadawan Frequently simultaneously :P

Amai zeg :P

@OldPadawan You're welcome :)

I mostly know the Wallon part, but sounded weird too, as they use different words too, but as I never hear them speaking Dutch, didn't know they could add/exchange/modify words/expressions like that

Walloons speak notoriously little Dutch, it's one of the sore points in Flanders... As they all speak French pretty well

well, AFAIR, never go to Bruges, sit at a table and answer in French to the waitress ^^

@MiG ooh yeah good point, if things include Flemish actors/characters, the French isn't necessarily poshness but just a part of regular language :)

@OldPadawan We'll probably go to Bruges in the next couple of months... Then again, I also speak a little Dutch ;)

@Tinkeringbell yep... and from what I've seen of that TV series, it's a bunch of tough guys, so probably not exactly posh people