The Awkward Silence

It was like, going to college, then dressing up for a run, and then buy a fresh juice on my way home (well, not every time). I'm not even sure I did this very often but those are really good memories.

I miss my life abroad so much... Don't really know why tbh

Tinkeringbell

I get breakfast each day when taking the train to work: A freshly baked croissant and some fresh orange juice :D I'm going to miss that if I ever get a car :)

avazula

6:58 AM

@Tinkeringbell ooh, that's nice! I used to do the same (but with granola yogurt, I hate croissants) when going to college before hopping on the subway :)

how's the driving going btw?

Tinkeringbell

Slowly improving. I am getting new glasses soon, and I kinda hope that'll help me with better depth perception and make me a bit more steady.

JAD

that sounds familiar

the final trigger for me to get my eyes measured was driving into a one-way street without even seeing the sign

Tinkeringbell

I can have a few lessons without any panicking at all now, but then there's the inevitable one where some !@#$ doesn't stick to the traffic rules, and I'll be spending the hour panicking at every little thing I have to do. :/

@JAD I'm failing to catch a lot of things thrown at me lately, and it seemed my eyes have gotten a little less bad. But I also had to do a bunch of other tests that made my head hurt... Eventually the optometrist said that what she measured was too little to put something special in my glasses, but that I might need it in the future, especially if my depth perception and faraway sight didn't get any sharper.

Imus

o/

Pseudohuman

\o

dhein

7:30 AM

rpg.meta.stackexchange.com/a/9268/15211 Do we have a similiar policy in place here? Just so I know, if I shouldn't even make the effort and also consider possible license and copyright compliance of OP's while moderating posts.

As usually I have an eye on that.

Tinkeringbell

@dhein What kind of copyright issues are you expecting on IPS? ;) Copyrighted pick up lines? :P

Imus

7:45 AM

Fun fact: IPS trusts me now ^^,

avazula

@Imus It shouldn't :p

Imus

@avazula I know right? XD

Tinkeringbell

@Imus Cool. So now you're burdened with commenting on, voting on, and deleting NAA's :P

JAD

@Tinkeringbell burdened is a big word

it's not like you lose the privilege if you don't do it

Imus

@Tinkeringbell Wait a minute, I got to do more work? Time to downvote 22 times to lose this responsibility again :p

avazula

7:56 AM

@JAD maybe they should muahaha

Imus

searches for Tinks posts

avazula

@Imus or get DVed eleven times

@Imus serial downvoting ... that wouldn't work :p

Imus

@avazula As if anyone would downvote my awesome answers :p

I could write a bogus question to get some downvotes and get some badges in the proces. Isn't there one about deleting your own downvoted question or something?

JAD

@Imus answer*

I still have a bunch of answers sitting at -2, but I won't delete them, because 1) I gained net reputation from them and 2) they're not at -3 yet :P

Imus

@JAD Want me to downvote one to -3 so you can get the badge? :)

could be dangerous to post a link here, if someone else decides to troll you and upvote at the same time :p

dhein

8:06 AM

@Tinkeringbell Dont make fun of me now, I am already triggered enough :( So yeah, for example. Its not about what I expect, but about what routines I have while moderating to spot it. I do so and feel well about it. But if I have a find and no one cares I feel not valued and hence if thats the case I'd rather just stop the habit of having an eye open for it.

Tinkeringbell

@dhein I'm sorry. I didn't realize you were in no mood for jokes :( I think we did have one q/a pair on IPS in all the time I was here were someone basically copied an answer from another website without proper attribution (but that's plagiarism, not the copyright stuff the rpg post was about). I would say that if you see plagiarism, certainly feel free to flag it, but I don't think we've ever had to deal with copyright issues yet ever....

Keeping an eye out for copyright violations might be nice, but mostly this means you'll be watching for plagiarism: The general guidance moderators get is that we're not there to enforce copyrights. If the copy right holder wants it enforced, they are supposed to contact SE, and they'll do it for us ;)

dhein

@Tinkeringbell I see. that makes more sense to me now, than the meta answer I got on rpg. (Despite it encapsules what you just wrote)

Imus

For what it's worth: I apreciate that you keep an eye out for it as long as you enjoy it. I personally wouldn't since it's really really unlikely that we would encounter it as a problem here. Plagiarism is a bit more likely and would be nice if you can comment on such post to also link to the original (or if you don't want to, handle it like you should with flags/comments in chat/idonno...).
If you don't mind taking that out of your routine it would be OK too.

dhein

8:22 AM

@Imus Right now I just feel like saying "screw it". But I know myself well enough to know I'll just act according to my new gained knowledge in the future. But still I am a bit disappointed about this treatment in regards of copyright by SE, as this means one can't really rely on expecting material found here really being under CC-BY-SA 3.0 as the use agreement would let assume. :x

Tinkeringbell

@dhein You're welcome. There's also something about 'illegal' topics, e.g. movie piracy is off-topic on movies.se (from what I gather from their meta). But again, it's not really enforcing copy right laws, just saying 'this is illegal in most places, so off-topic here'. A bit like IPS said 'pick up artistry is rude at it's core, so it's off-topic here'

dhein

Well the meta on rpg also wasn't asking about enforcement. It was more about I commented on an answer that they are violating copyright and if they weren't aware they should consider changing that. Where as that comment was moved with a bulk of other comemnts to chat. After that I opened the meta asking for if it actually isn't wanted and the conclusion was, if I see such case, I am not supposed to even mention it. Its not the same as enforcement for my understanding.

Imus

@dhein You are correct that you can't be 100% sure in general. But when looking into any specific question/answer it should be clear on how it's written whether or not it's a copy of somewhere else.

Most nice posts here are written based on personal experience, so no copyright possible. If it's a quote, it's already advised to mention where the quote is from and explain how it's applicable in the situation. In those cases copyright is easily checked and quotes should be taken from the source instead.

Tinkeringbell

@dhein Hmmm. Well, I think doppelgreener pointed out a good thing in the bottom line of their answer: it's okay to look for piracy sites, but apparently custom card generators are fine. I wouldn't worry too much, and just either ask the next person to attribute the images properly (like the OP in that answer edited in a link to the card generator).... or just let it be and save yourself some energy and triggers ;)

Tinkeringbell

8:44 AM

@dhein meta.se has some posts on enforcing NDA's, or copyright, that might interest you: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/94465/should-moderators-enforce-ndas-for-software-vendors/94488#94488, https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/19508/369802 and https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/195875/369802 make some interesting points.
But yeah, the outcome of all those is sort-of the same: It's quite futile to mention it. Plagiarism can be moderated (and flagged/commented), but copyright is something we don't touch :(

meta.stackexchange.com/a/305672/369802 < Last interesting link I forgot to add there.

dhein

A lot to read I have after lunch x) thanks for the links

Tinkeringbell

Take it easy today :) And enjoy lunch!

Also, 9 people upvoted your meta question and your answer... Don't feel too unvalued ;) At least the meta question that resulted from your action is apparently a good one! I bet RPG rather has an user that might make a mistake then ask on meta and correct their course, than someone that never learns ;) (At least, that should be true for every site on SE!)

dhein

@Tinkeringbell Thanks for boosting xP

Extroverted Main Man

9:58 AM

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Q: How to ask my office to remove the pride decorations without appearing anti-LGBTQ?

First, for clarification, I am not anti-LGBTQ. My office has taken part in the Pride Month, which is celebrated throughout the UK in June every year. The month celebrations end in a large Pride march in London (this year, it was on the 6th of July). In the office there were usual talks and gath...

Tinkeringbell

10:22 AM

@ava twitter.com/HartgerWassink/status/1151070267608879105 < what's wrong with that one? ;)

A J

10:41 AM

@Tinkeringbell I don't understand that tweet.

Tinkeringbell

@AJ Just look at the image, what's wrong with that ;)

(The Tweet is Dutch yeah, and it already says what's wrong but that won't be funny ;) )

A J

@Tinkeringbell au revoir?

That's goodbye in French.

Ohh, it is welcoming everyone, but saying goodbye to French?

Tinkeringbell

@AJ Exactly :D

Pretty 'big' mistake :P FUnny :)

A J

Hahaha

avazula

11:03 AM

@Tinkeringbell hahaha

That's because we're not welcoming

→ 22 messages moved to Trash

avazula

11:17 AM

ugh I'm so upset that I forgot my headphones in my gym bag yesterday! Now I can't listen to music at work today :(

Mithrandir

That sounds nearly unbearable.

avazula

I must have lost 20% of my overall productivity

Tinkeringbell

11:39 AM

@avazula Close to 30 percent here: Too many chats today (with coworkers) and I just wrote an answer :P

Mithrandir

I left my laptop at home. That was a mistake.

Tinkeringbell

Oof, yeah, that sounds like a pretty big mistake too!

IPS Comment Bot

12:06 PM

Regardless of which strategy you choose you should probably not lead with "for clarification, I am not anti-LGBTQ.". I can't think of a situation where that reads as intended. — monocell 56 secs ago

Matched regex(es) ["possible-aic(@Noon)"]

Imus

got to love getting your answer downvoted without knowing why :)

Tinkeringbell

You wrote it, that's enough reason, right? :P

Imus

Dang, gonna need some burn heal for that one XD

Tinkeringbell

I don't see any flaw with it either... instead, there's another answer that has no back up :P

Imus

someone must have downvoted the wrong answer in a hurry

Tinkeringbell

12:12 PM

That's probably it ;)

IPS Comment Bot

Coming from a workplace perspective, this will only make you look bad. If a couple decorations prevent you from getting work done, then I would take that to mean you are easily distractable and not putting in much effort at work. I understand the argument to make the decorations a business (and therefore money) problem, but I think this will backfire. — David K 58 secs ago

#22416 David K (1434 rep) | A: How to ask my office to remove the pride decorations without appearing anti-LGBTQ? (score: -1) | posted 45 minutes ago by Imus (4049 rep) | Toxicity 0.085270174 | tps/fps: 0/0

Matched regex(es) ["chatty"]

Imus

huh, a reason, guess I was too quick to judge

Tinkeringbell

Hahaha Comments often do take longer to write than a downvote :P

Imus

I fully disagree with the comment, but that's another thing :p

on the plus side, only 2 more downvotes to go and I can get "Peer pressure" badge :)

IPS Comment Bot

Because if someone sent me that email, that's what I would think. Unless they move, light up, or make noise, no decorations should be enough to prevent you from doing your work. Yes, they might be annoying and an eyesore, but saying they are preventing you from getting work done is a clear exaggeration just so you can get your way. Just because the decorations got taken down doesn't mean that it didn't reflect badly on the person who requested it. — David K 49 secs ago

#22416 David K (1434 rep) | A: How to ask my office to remove the pride decorations without appearing anti-LGBTQ? (score: -1) | posted 57 minutes ago by Imus (4049 rep) | Toxicity 0.19377577 | tps/fps: 0/0

Matched regex(es) ["chatty"]

Imus : agree with @david-k as "decorations are distracting me from getting my work done" will not only make you look bad but may also backfire. Why? nobody will tell you directly, but badmouthing will spread all around fast. I've seen that happen before too... — OldPadawan 1 min ago

#22416 OldPadawan (16426 rep) | A: How to ask my office to remove the pride decorations without appearing anti-LGBTQ? (score: -1) | posted 58 minutes ago by Imus (4049 rep) | Toxicity 0.6002096 | tps/fps: 0/0

Matched regex(es) ["chatty"]

Extroverted Main Man

12:57 PM

0

Q: Which date to engrave on a doljanchi birthday party favor

I'm getting some engraved party favors to give out to guests for my son's first birthday (Doljanchi) party. Because birthday lands on a weekday this year, it'll be on a weekend that's not technically his birthday and is actually a few days after his birthday. Should I engrave: his birthday fr...

etiquette social-event parties birthdays

avazula

@ExtrovertedMainMan off topic

Imus

@Tinkeringbell your answer is the only one without a downvote now. Does that mean it's a good one? :p

Tinkeringbell

@Imus Mine has a downvote too, but an up as well ;)

Arrived within seconds of each other.

(up first)

Imus

ok, who did you bribe? :o

Tinkeringbell

No clue...

Mithrandir

1:09 PM

I only take unicorn dollars, sorry

Tinkeringbell

Hmmm. I can crochet those, perhaps :P

Imus

@Mithrandir here's one now upvote my answer please! :p

I asked for an UPvote, not a second downvote -.- urgh, the nerve of some people not accepting my fake payments!

Just need 1 more to get my badge :)

curious if there's a correlation between this being an LGBTQ post and the voting behaviour ....

how long till it hits HNQ?

Mithrandir

@Imus I mean, I probably should upvote more... I've only cast 80 upvotes in the history of the site...

@Imus With the current score of the answers? Unlikely.

Imus

how's it decided which posts reach HNQ?

Mithrandir

Number of answers and their scores, largely.

Imus

1:17 PM

@Mithrandir I have given 755 upvotes and 6 downvotes

Curious meta question: If someone (not me ofcourse) were to make a new account. Give me a 3d downvote on my answer. Then I delete my answer to earn the badge. After that the someone deletes their account invalidating the downvote. Do I get to keep my badge?

Tinkeringbell

I think so yes. I don't think there are any badges that are 'retracted'.

Imus

Interesting ...

Tinkeringbell

44

A: Is it possible to lose badges?

No, badges are never taken away. That's part of the site's design. However, if you no longer meet the criteria for a badge (say your "great question" got busted back down to 99 votes), then you won't earn another one of those badges until you "catch up."

@Tomalak: That's an interesting question and I believe you technically can. If you get upvoted 100 times on a question, then slip back to 99, then get 100 upvotes on a different question, you won't get the badge for the second question. But if you then get back to 100 votes on the first question, I think that the second badge is awarded then. I'm not sure how it works internally; now that the system tells you which question a badge was awarded for (if applicable), it would be interesting to test this out and see if the second badge is linked to the second question or first. — Aarobot Jul 22 '10 at 16:38

Imus

Good to know :) and sounds fair

Tinkeringbell

10

A: "Nice Answer" badge roulette

The "make up badge" is no longer the case - we will appropriately award badges now for things that qualify as they qualify completely independently of past badges. The old code literally counted badges, did a diff and assigned new ones...all badge queries now get and compare each individual caus...

I think that summarizes it :)

Imus

2:05 PM

Peer Pressure Delete own post with score of -3 or lower.
Awarded 21 secs ago to Imus

got'm!

ankiiiiiii

5:21 PM

@Imus lol, on which question ?

Tinkeringbell

6:15 PM

@ankiiiiiii The current HNQ one... :/

ankiiiiiii

6:38 PM

ohh

@Imus that is a sensitive one, not that you couldnt handle it, but relax

Imus

@ankiiiiiii Expected it after the first downvote ^^,

I learned today that our workplace is way laxer than most others :o

ankiiiiiii

haha that's a good thing to be I guess

when it comes to such things

Imus

also predicted that question was going to hit HNQ

ankiiiiiii

Oh nice,,

guess I'd go to bed early. Today was bad in the gym

Imus

one of my coworkers walks around in these

fixed

Tinkeringbell

6:49 PM

@Imus I like mine better

Imus

but do you wear them at work?

Tinkeringbell

Ehh, if I'm working from home? :P

Imus

also 2 wearing fox/cat ear headbands as well

they did get a comment that they're no longer allowed to do that throughout the hospital though, only on our own floor :(

Mithrandir

@Tinkeringbell Monsters, Inc.?

Imus

Since certain people might take those as a statement against religious headware ...

Mithrandir

6:51 PM

@Imus I'd totally do that

Tinkeringbell

@Mithrandir Yep! Bought at Disneyland :)

Mithrandir

@Tinkeringbell (I haven't actually watched the movie yet I just know stuff about it)

Nice, though!

Imus

@Mithrandir you totaly should :)

although I might be biased into liking disney movies a lot XD

Tinkeringbell

Can someone dump a copy of chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/63296?m=51027606#51027606 on the latest HNQ?

(don't forget the links :P)

Also... when do y'all think I'll finally get the hang of not answering HNQ stuff? :P

Imus

hmm, too much effort getting the links in

Tinkeringbell

6:54 PM

@Mithrandir I did watch :)

Hello network visitors! Please note that IPS is fairly strict about [using comments as intended](https://interpersonal.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/comment). **Comments are *only* for clarifying and improving the question.** Partial answers or general thoughts about the situation may be deleted without notice. If you'd like to write an answer, make sure to check out our posts on [How do I write a good answer?](https://interpersonal.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3266/) and [citation expectations](https://interpersonal.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3583/) first. Thanks!

5

Oh wait stop!

That won't work, and automatically create links.

Imus

wont work, links are shortened

Tinkeringbell

Pffft... I'll ask a mod :P

Imus

quick test:

too long by 81 characters

well, that sucks

@Tinkeringbell like this?

(see question)

Had to split it in 2 cause it was too long though

Tinkeringbell

@Imus That's strange... I can edit it and make it fit in one :/

Secret moderator power! :P

Imus

might be with how the links work maybe? In 1 post mine said 81 chars too long

the 2 comments are fitting I think. They're each telling something different yet important

Tinkeringbell

7:03 PM

Yeah but it's easier to put one in the 'pinned' list by voting on it, than two

What links did you use? The one you get by using 'share' underneath each post are somewhat shorter than the ones you get using the url from your browswer ;)

ankiiiiiii

7:17 PM

@Tinkeringbell they are cute

Tinkeringbell

@ankiiiiiii Thank you :)

interpersonal.stackexchange.com/a/22424/1599 < Eyes please?

Imus

@Tinkeringbell that might explain some things. Used from browser :)

IPS Comment Bot

@Imus you should complain about that issue by starting discussion on the meta not here in the comments. — Džuris 13 secs ago

Tinkeringbell

@IPSCommentBot Yeah @Imus stop complaining :P

Imus

XD

awesome

Tinkeringbell

7:30 PM

@Džuris Just to let you know too ;) Imus isn't 'complaining', it's a generic comment we leave on HNQ questions with a goal of informing new users (network visitors) that IPS may be a bit/lot different than what they're used to :) If you have any thoughts on rephrasing it, so it sounds less complain-y, feel free to drop them here, in chat, or on our meta :)

Sandman

8:34 PM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Questions

What are the factors to consider when deciding if to pursue a long distance relationship? long-distance relationships online-interaction romance cross-culture I'm a straight male. I met a nice Japanese girl through a Japanese dating app, but I'm not currently living in Japan. This was reflected...

Džuris

8:45 PM

Sorry, I was just complaining indirectly by implying that I perceive
"Please note that IPS is fairly strict about using comments as intended. Comments are only for clarifying and improving the question."
as a complaint about those rules. As it should be.

Btw is that toxicity score mine? I could get it a lot higher if you stopped deleting comments :(

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