The Awkward Silence

1:00 PM

@ElizB ok so they do feel the fingers too. then it makes sense. The thing you mentioned about other senses getting better/stronger I have heard a lot and I believe it 100%. I once tried not opening my eyes for half a day. yes i was at home, but it was an eye opening experience :D

ElizB

@avazula She cannot. It is even harder for her to understand tongue and mouth positions, etc if she cannot see :) I do not mind, and thanks for being sensitive

@Cashbee That's hard to do. What do you remember? did you have to memorize how many steps you had, how many paces to go to down the hall, to get to the bathroom, to get to your clothes, to get out of your house, etc? that's what blind people do automatically, same with my peripheral view- If I see something, i look, because I never know if someone's getting my attention and I can't hear them?

Cashbee

I can recommend trying that out at home, it makes you realize how some people live and it is an awesome challenge to try out

ElizB

ESPECIALLY at home. That way, you have knowledge of where your things are, mostly.

Magisch

I would have no prayer working that. I have an eye condition that means even with glasses I can't see depth well at all

I basicly do all my movement by visual reference

Cashbee

@ElizB i didn't do it long enough to actively remember step counts and such. I visualized my surroundings with my inner eye and walked slowly, feeling with my feet

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1:03 PM

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Belle-Sophie

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ElizB

@Cashbee That's a good sense to have- that "inner eye". some people have a harder time visualizing where they are

Cashbee

but yes i had to put mental post it notes where i put what. (which is what i do anyways.)

also i remember focussing on my hearing. even sound reflections of mysteps

Imus

@ElizB I always wondered how a blind person would "see" things with their inner eye. As in: if you touch something and try to "visualise" it in your mind, how that would "look". Problem is that there's no possible way to actually explain that ...

ElizB

1:06 PM

@Magisch That's interesting- I have a depth issue as well, because one of my eyes is nearsighted, so if I don't have my contact (one eye contact) in or my glasses on, things are weirdly out of depth

@Imus same, with hearing! I wondered what real hearing is like, and how it compares to my hearing with a cochlear implant.

avazula

@Magisch Isn't it hard to drive a car?

Imus

@ElizB Same for that yeah. Also entirely impossible to explain both directions :)

ElizB

@Cashbee @scohe001 This is exactly what i'm talking about- this is a device that allows you to go row by row to read whatever is displayed on the computer screen or phone screen, and this allows my friend to read and respond to text messages. The eight buttons (two groups of four) are pressed in some combination to create messages.

Cashbee

@Imus I imagine it's all about forms, space and ground plots. no colours though

ElizB

@Imus Yup, very interesting. If you ask my husband, he has some audio graphs? that compare the two.

Magisch

1:09 PM

@avazula legally prohibited from obtaining a drivers license

Imus

@ElizB I don't think audio graphs can really cover the experience of hearing

ElizB

@avazula and @Magisch My friend can't drive, so she has to depend on others for transportation... Problem is that she is not quite as independent as she says she is... She's asking for friends and such when people are paid to assist people like her, and she won't take advantage of it...

Magisch

I have a bicycle

And public transport here is good

ElizB

@imus I agree, but it's at least a visual representation of what happens

I agree, public transport here is fantastic

Imus

@ElizB true and I'm not saying it can't be interesting or useful. Just never enough to compensate for the real thing :)

Things like hearing the "it's a small world" melody, or even the first 4 notes of it and then beïng unconsiously forced to hear the entire song into your head ...

I don't think you can experience things like that by looking at any representation of sound

ElizB

1:14 PM

@Imus Very true. :) This website shows all these different gadgets invented to help blind and deafblind people..... amazing

deafblindinformation.org.au/acquired-deafblindness/…

Mithrandir

@IPSCommentBot tp

ElizB

@scohe001 More info on deafblind communicative devices: deafblindinformation.org.au/acquired-deafblindness/…

Imus

@ElizB cutting things when blind! I never really thought just how hard that is :O

yesterday I even cut my own finger despite being able to see what I was doing XD

ElizB

@Imus Exactly!! I didn't think of it either

Cashbee

@ElizB thanks once more for satisfying our curiosity!

Mithrandir

1:16 PM

@IPSCommentBot you owe us a cookie, @avazula

ElizB

@Cashbee No problem at all! I love answering these questions, I learn more by answering your questions :)

FreezePhoenix

NO I AM NOT A MOD

avazula

@Mithrandir Why is that?

Imus

Liquid Level Indicator is a cool thing as well ... saves your thumbs from burning when pouring boiling water into a mug

although I expect that with practice you can also gauge the height of the liquid based on the sound it makes :)

avazula

@ElizB Maybe she can't afford it?

Imus

1:18 PM

(note: with you, not ElizB ofcourse, just a blind but hearing person in general)

Mithrandir

@avazula you tripped the bot ;)

Imus

@ElizB how baffled are you at the concept of "hearing" how full a glass is? :D

Magisch

In soviet stack exchange, bot trips you

avazula

@Mithrandir What did I do? o_o

ElizB

@avazula Part of the issue, yeah. Still, she is entitled to assistance.

@Imus .... sorta baffled. If i shake the bottle, I can feel how full it is, but i cant hear how full it is....

it just sounds like water to me haha

FreezePhoenix

1:21 PM

lol

Hello!

Imus

I can't hear that either, but when I let water pour into a bottle I can tell from the sound when it's near full. Not nearly as precise as seeing it though

ElizB

(waves)

avazula

@Mithrandir In my defence, I'm currently facing a troll attack ;_;

ElizB

Yeah, that i can't do well

Imus

maybe a graph would explain that difference in sound perfectly :)

Hi FreezePhoenix!

ElizB

1:23 PM

@Imus That would be interesting

Sid

@avazula ..who? Where? How?

FreezePhoenix

@avazula Those aren't fun. (I've been on the other end of one of those too, unfortunately)

avazula

Currently trying to save an on hold, brb

FreezePhoenix

How are you guys?

Imus

@FreezePhoenix we're currently having fun trying to see how blind and/or deaf people experience things differently. Thanks to ElizB (deaf with chochlear implants) willing to explain things to us hearing folks ^^,

Sid

1:27 PM

I will go back to dorm on Sunday. So, a bit sad that holidays are over. Also, a bit of regret that I didn't utilize my holidays well.

ElizB

@Imus Happy to educate! not enough people ask...

Imus

@ElizB was just thinking: how useful would it be if we give you a youtube video where someone explains something (with talking) ... then figured theres a subtitle option ...

makes me feel stupid for not realising sooner XD

avazula

flg-pls, del-pls NLN - interpersonal.stackexchange.com/questions/12827/…

ElizB

@Imus I always look for the subtitle and if there's none, then I simply don't watch it...

avazula

flg-pls, del-pls NLN - interpersonal.stackexchange.com/questions/12827/…

Imus

1:30 PM

@ElizB Do you have any notion of concepts like standing waves and/or how for example a tuba/trumpet/panflute "works"?

avazula

flg-pls, del-pls NLN - interpersonal.stackexchange.com/questions/12827/…

Imus

As in: change the length of the tube to make the notes "go up or down"

Tinkeringbell

@avazula Sorry, we don't delete users as no longer needed

avazula

@Tinkeringbell So sorry, typo. Edited

Tinkeringbell

@avazula Hahaha. I actually found it quite funny ;)

avazula

1:31 PM

flg-pls, del-pls NLN - interpersonal.stackexchange.com/questions/12827/…

A J

lol

ElizB

@Imus I'm not sure what standing waves are... and sorta, i think.

Imus

@ElizB The concept of standing wave itself doesn't matter much. But the tube changging in lenght corresponding to a higher/lower tone is exactly what happens when pouring water into a bottle

ElizB

@Imus Ahhhh gotcha I see.

Imus

@ElizB Things I only found out cause I'm generally curious about physics and how things work XD Proves useful now to explain things based on sounds to someone that can't know what a sound is exactly :)

ElizB

1:35 PM

@Imus Yeah, I can see that haha

Cashbee

i stop pouring water when the pitch reaches the high G#

ElizB

Cool. :) I stop pouring when I see it's full or if it splashes over haha

depends on how well I'm paying attention

Imus

@ElizB I usually do it based on sight as well. But it's useful when you're talking with someone (looking at them, not the water pouring) and can tell when it's nearing the top ^^,

ElizB

@Imus Yeah, I can see how useful it is.

Imus

Or at work when I'm pressing the buttons on our coffee machine to pour hot water into my mug for thee while holding another button for cold watter pouring into a can (I don't like walking for water constantly so take both to my desk)

ElizB

1:40 PM

I wanna drop another really funny concept- signing is dangerous....

Imus

@ElizB hmm, in which situation?

I can guess similar to looking on my phone while walking around and almost getting hit by something really quiet (normally avoid stuff based on sound and limited peripheral vision)

@ElizB Or maybe when someone asks you something while you're holding a hot beverage. Then start signing before you remember that it'll splash stuff out of your mug?

Cashbee

@ElizB when gesticulating to vividly and some bypasser walks into your arms?

@Imus that makes more sense

Imus

@Cashbee Hitting someone does sound like a real problem as well :o

ElizB

@Imus Yes, or bumping hot water or food with hands or elbow...

@Cashbee YES. or worse, hitting your conversation partner...

Hitting someone. so many times. Hitting your necklace if it's long, glasses, earrings, etc

Imus

@ElizB does that happen? I would expect some extra space between you 2 so there's room for your partner to actually see what you're showing with your hands

ElizB

1:46 PM

youtu.be/tsxs8uwZTSE Funny concepts about why deaf people suffer so much from signing everyday

@Imus Hmm.... Yeah, thats true but some tight spaces dont allow it or walking side by side

Imus

kind of what I had in mind with my "looking at phone" comparison. Where you're not watching where you're going and end up well .. what happens in that video

ElizB

hahah yeah

that guy is hilarious, he makes videos and posts them on facebook

Last time i posted something from facebook i got flagged :P

Imus

XD

I don't think the flag itself is bad though, as long as you put it on the same line as the explanation why it's a relevant video for the conversation here. That way mods can tell the auto facebook flag was a false positive :) (I guess)

ElizB

Right that's exactly what I didnt do that first time :P

So interpersonal skills are absolutely used when apologizing for signing being dangerous out in public....

Journeyman Geek

reads up

@ElizB people who don't sign are capable of doing these things by accident

Imus

1:54 PM

@JourneymanGeek read up first :p It started from the concept of "signing is dangerous"

ElizB

@JourneymanGeek They are. Still, who moves their hands more than the typical hearing person? Either an italian or a person that uses a sign language.

Journeyman Geek

@ElizB >_>

I kinda used to move my hands a lot while talking

Imus

@ElizB not only moving hands. Constantly looking at something other than where you're going

Cashbee

@ElizB i just wanted to say italian.. but you were faster

Journeyman Geek

kinda toned it down, partially due to teenage bullying.

Mithrandir

1:55 PM

Israelis tend to move their hands around a lot too.

ElizB

@JourneymanGeek ah, gotcha. I get it that people who prefer to move their hands a lot can also knock or bump into things, that's typically me.

Journeyman Geek

I also have a habit of putting my hands on my hips when ... not doing anything

its genetic apparently

Imus

@ElizB at least you got an obvious excuse for doing so :p

Journeyman Geek

drives my mom nuts cause my elbows are at her eye level XD

ElizB

@Mithrandir I didn't know that... I'm half italian so I get it

@JourneymanGeek Wow, i can understand your mom, i wouldn't want to get accidentally knocked out by elbows that happened to be there

Journeyman Geek

1:58 PM

@ElizB I actively try not to do that

Sid

@JourneymanGeek that's rather common methinks

Journeyman Geek

@Sid my granma on my dad's side would do that too ;p

Imus

@ElizB Italian moving hands reminds me of this joke: reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/1bieaw/the_3_spies

ElizB

@Imus Still, have to clean up after whatever I knock over

@Imus That's a great one! what if one of the spies was deaf? :P

same answer as the italian one, probably

Imus

@ElizB yup

and would be harder to get when the other 2 spies "asked him how ..."

ElizB

2:01 PM

@Imus haha yeah, there's the issue of his not being able to hear at all

Imus

@ElizB are you able to hear musquito's with your implants? These little devilspawsn can keep me up at night just out of fear from beïng stung -.- (despite them having a preference for my GF though XD)

or can you/do you take them off at night? (don't know if that's possible in the first place)

ElizB

@Imus No, I don't sleep with them.

there's an internal and external component, I take off the external so my skin can breathe a bit :)

plus it's peaceful

sleep right through storms :P

Imus

Not sure if I should say "lucky you" for not beïng able to hear them then or "sucks to be bitten more often since you don't know they're there"

ElizB

(shrugs) IF the mosquitoes get in, then yeah, some bite.

oh well.

Imus

We open our windows in the evening an hour before bedtime so it can cool off ... don't have a bug screen yet -.-

ElizB

2:09 PM

ahh, that would explain it. all our windows have a screen

Imus

the problem with having a really well isolation on our house also means that once the heat gets inside, it's hard to get it out again ...

ElizB

yeah, that's an issue heh

Fans?

Imus

Don't have those

I now had a package delivered at work that my GF ordered. Etheric oils (translated that right?) that should keep musquitos away

ElizB

essential oils?

Imus

that probably yes :)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

2:12 PM

Someone said ether

ElizB

that's a good idea. peppermint, lemon, rosemary, etc those smells will keep bugs in general away

they hate the stink

Cashbee

@ElizB yesterday i saw this on reddit and had to think of you. i love how she plays the air guitat and drums :)

nooo

i.imgur.com/fJvYKZe.gifv

Imus

@Cashbee looks both awesome and boring since most songs are basically the same XD

ElizB

@cashbee Thanks for bringing that up! great interpreters like her are hard to find, and she really translates the song, the feeling, and the words well

not just words

Cashbee

i think i saw a gif of her translating an eminem concert

ElizB

2:16 PM

Yeah, there's some interpreters out there that partner with the singer themselves to better understand their music- the interpreters have to know every song they're gonna play by heart.

Imus

@Cashbee Makes me wonder if a signing-translator like that does that, did they practice it like a choreography or do they do it translate on the spot?

ElizB

@Imus Depends on the situation: They practice it for big venues like this, and in most cases like doctors appointments and meetings they translate on the spot

Cashbee

@ElizB do they play air guitar at the doctor's too?

ElizB

@Cashbee that would be cool to see that, but no. hehe :P

Imus

Lol Cashbee XD! But yeah, I expected normal conversation to be translated on the spot. But for big venues, is it like practicing a dance? Or just learning the "words" (possible just the spoken ones) and then sign those with certain extra gestures based on audio queues like the drum/guitar

ElizB

2:21 PM

@Imus It is learning the words, and understanding how to convey that in sign, then sometimes the big gestures and stuff like that is impromptu. if you know the song inside and out and backwards, you can do all sorts of things if you know what's coming

Cashbee

I would love to see an interpreter at a death metal concert, whipping their hair back and forth while signing

Imus

@ElizB hmm, so it's more like someone actually singing along with a song (not signing) and at a guitar/drum solo just air-play along

ElizB

@cashbee that would be very fun. I'm not a fan of death metal though :P @imus Yeah, that's more like it

Imus

@ElizB When you see someone signing a song like that, do they also make you actually feel the "rythm" of the song or is it more like they're telling a story about how the song feels?

ElizB

@Imus Story about how the song feels, adding the rhythm. Many deaf people can't understand or really catch on to rhythm

I can, for the most part. complicated stuff is harder for me

Imus

2:25 PM

That would be my next question: Do you know the full (?) concept of rythm? :)

ElizB

@imus Sorta, depends on what you mean by that

Cashbee

@Imus do you? :D

Imus

yeah, that's what the ? was for :p

ElizB

ahh, haha

Imus

I mean: this pleasing feeling of tapping allong in the same beat, and things like on or in between beat taps

those things you should be able to experience even without sound, but I can't tell for sure

might be that the pleasing part of the rythm is based on what we hearing people imagine along based on music we have heard before ...

ElizB

2:28 PM

I can be on beat, but in between is harder

Cashbee

@Imus that's how i think it is.

well put

Imus

Was searching for a way to explain what I was thinking about XD

ElizB

I like listening to a good beat, yes. Carrie Underwood is one of my favorite artists, then Sugarland, and then for techno I love Lindsey Stirling, and for A cappella I like Peter Hollens

Imus

Just remembered a really cool video (ted talk) about a guy playing guitar with an echo that's 1,5 "measures" behind. And I think that's something impossible to explain to a deaf person how awesome that sounds

ElizB

huh, interesting

Imus

2:32 PM

I tried explaining it to my GF before showing her the video ... and even that was impossible

Cashbee

@ElizB doesn't ring a bell for me. Now im listening to Peter Hollens. The background singer sounds extremely familiar. it reminds me of "davinci's notebook". do you know that?

Imus

in the end I gave up and said: just listen to this

Also: Lindsey stirling is amazing :D Love her cosplay too ^^,

ElizB

@Cashbee Don't know davinci's notebook

Yes. I've seen her twice in concert. :D she's so inspiring.

Rory Alsop

@Cashbee I love Lamb of God

so much fun

Cashbee

@ElizB im researching if they have common groupmembers

ElizB

2:34 PM

Peter collaborates with many different people and the background is usually his voice

Cashbee

In the song "Disney Villains Medley" especially, the first few sounds right at the start sound exactly like davincis notebook

ElizB

ahh gotcha

that's such a great video :D

Imus

@ElizB I got this youtube video favorited. Not sure if it's great for deaf people as well youtube.com/…

ElizB

@Imus Work won't let me get to the video, so i'll check it out on my phone at lunch :)

Mithrandir

Skyrim - Lindsey Stirling & Peter Hollens

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Imus

2:37 PM

@ElizB sure, just ping me with your answer so I can see later

gonne go home soon anyway ^^,

Cashbee

waaaaaaait.. peter hollens sings Baba Yetu? awesooooooome

i LOVE that song

Mithrandir

Lindsey Stirling and Peter Hollens are both good... especially together ;)

@Cashbee I actually preferred the original for that one

Imus

@Mithrandir Can't disagree on that one

Cashbee

@Mithrandir i agree :'(

Mithrandir

But I do happen to like this one:

Hobbit Drinking Medley - Peter Hollens feat. Hank Green!!

►

Lord of the Rings - Gollum's Song - Peter Hollens

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ElizB

2:45 PM

@imus sure.

@Mithrandir I agree that they are fantastic together.... what about radioactive by Pentatonix, with lindsey stirling... that was an epic video

Mithrandir

@ElizB indeed

Pentatonix's cover of Bohemian Rhapsody is also really good. Mitch got it spot on.

ElizB

@Mithrandir that and skyrim are my favorites.

Yeah thats a good video

Mithrandir

Also, Caleb Hyle's "Hellfire" and "Go the Distance".

ElizB

Yes, and "The Plagues" from Prince of Egypt

Mithrandir

That was a bit too metal for me, but otherwise nice.

ElizB

2:51 PM

I didn't mind it as much, because of the song's intensity and meaning behind it

I thought the metal was very justified

Mithrandir

Oh and I completely cracked up at those "Google Translate Sings".

ElizB

hahah yeah those are just funny weird

Now I wanna take a listen to them :P (puts on headphones) :D (happy place)

Mithrandir

@ElizB oh yeah, the intensity was definitely justified. In fact, I participated in a bibliodrama about that story once and actually thinking about that song really helped me connect

ElizB

@Mithrandir That's cool. I think that song cover could've easily made it into the movie if I could put it in

Cashbee

Have a nice weekend, kind people of IPS

you too, unkind people

Mithrandir

3:03 PM

I have to run - laters, folks

ElizB

See ya later! nice chat :)

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3:24 PM

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3:44 PM

@ElizB Whaaaaat that's really cool! I had no idea something like that existed. Though I guess it makes sense that there's Braille tech out there

ElizB

@scohe001 hey there! yeah, it's super cool!

scohe001

Could use some NLN flags on almost every comment on this thread

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9:34 PM

@sphennings after seeing and having written "Welcome to IPS!" so many times, seeing "Welcome to the Sandbox" was perfect :P

Also awesome job on that comment, I was about to write something similar

sphennings

@scohe001 Having spent a lot of time in the sandbox on Worldbuilding it helps to have multiple people working it.

If for no other reason than to prevent it from becoming learn how to make questions fit Sphennings' particular interpretation site policy.

scohe001

Hahaha that's a good point. Controlling the Sandbox is probably the first step to site domination

He who holds the Sandbox controls the main site

I was worried I'd be the only one maintaining it, so I'm happy for your company :)

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