(oh, sidenote: check if the user has close-vote privileges before commenting? Somehow it would be a bit mean to expect someone that hasn't even earned those to understand?)
No, they don't have to be deleted... just hopefully try to prevent users from answering close-worthy questions. Just try to avoid answering questions that need to be closed.
@Snow No, you don't have to delete them, we just want that info out there... we've got a bit of a problem with users answering bad questions.... And we can't treat people differently ... :/ Hopefully, it will lead to a better community culture amongst our higher rep users ....
@Shokhet I like closing new users' questions when they can be fixed with a quick edit. It gives them an easy, rewarding first experience with the close process because it gets resolved so painlessly.
@Snow At the end of the day, the best way to help people is to make sure that we can answer it well. And that means that sometimes we have to close questions until they're fixed, and close-worthy questions shouldn't be answered until after they're fixed.
It's not very useful to the OP if we answer with an entirely different situation in mind than what's actually going on because they didn't include enough details.
@Snow We're still beta, we need a community and a voting culture. Don't go saying we don't help people. I've edited more questions than written them myself :/ I like the principle of 'a quick edit to help the OP getting going'.... I'm sorry to disappoint you again, but right now the voting culture is a bigger problem than people not getting the help they deserve.
My father is one of the most inhumane person I have ever known in my whole life. I think he is probably one of the most neurotic person in the world. I have suffered mental and physical torture and brutality from him and he has tried to break me to the best of his ability but I only became more p...
@Mithrandir, would it be a nice thing to do to ask users to come to chat if they want to better understand our site scope (or refer to the help page or something)... For that latest autocomment?
@Snow There are solid arguments for both sides, we need to be mindful to maintain quality without getting so pedantic that we run the community into the ground.
@sphennings It does now that I know that it's copy-pasta ;)
@apaul I was thinking of this, but it's not that ;) I never upvote bad questions, but it's suggested here that if someone needs professional help, to keep the question score at zero: interpersonal.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1374/…
If we want to change that, we might want to revisit that meta.
@Mithrandir I was just thinking about the blatantly off-topic ones, we could edit in a link to the help center once Catija is content with her excellent meta post ;)
@Mithrandir Now I'm not really following you, but since I already decided the thing wasn't relevant ;)
So... I've had a somewhat disturbing morning. I'm thinking about asking a question about the situation, but I'm unsure about how to word it to avoid a crap storm on the main site.
@apaul Oh dear.... any chance of leaving out the 'far right'... --> You could just focus on 'I'm worried about the internet giving him false hope/ideas'?
I moved recently to a new apartment with my gf.
When we are in the bedroom we can hear a burglar alarm (or another ultrasound like this). The sound isn't really loud but it's enough for beiing disturbing the night (and keep me awake). I already met neighbours for asking if sound came from them, ...
@sphennings How to separate fact from propaganda? Or more specifically... How to get a 16 year old autistic to recognize that there's an agenda behind the content he's seeing?
I think the specific ideologies involved are relevant because people are targeting kids like him.
@apaul I think you could speak of generalities on that one since everyone is claiming that the people they don't agree with have an agenda.
@apaul I think you may be also concerned if other predatory ideologies were targeting your son.
@apaul I guess it really depends on whether you're trying to start a conversation about thinking critically about the news in general, or specifically about the news that your son is consuming.
I marvel how this forums can be an outlet for crazy people and how the feminist crowd is active here. Since is it a crime looking at someone? Gosh. — Rui F Ribeirojust now
@apaul That's particularly rough. I wish I had some advice to give you. I can say that a decade ago when I discovered PUA forums I had a moment where I almost bought into the adversarial rhetoric. Unfortunately what worked for me then isn't relevant to your son now.
@EmC Not saying I didn't... But I lately noticed people answering things and getting upvotes for it after things were closed ... So I decided to be a bit more pro-active since it was bothering me... :/
@Mithrandir right: so why dv/comment answers immediately after it's on hold. if it gets reopened, comment to let them know to update. if it stays closed, comment to ask them to delete so the question can be deleted
@EmC No, not in bad faith. Perhaps in ignorance. Perhaps because they disagreed that it should be closed. Perhaps because they care more about answering the question than the welfare of the site. It doesn't matter.
If that autocomment needs refinement, please feel free to chime in. I wrote it in 20 seconds and didn't think about it too much.
I'll note also that policy is also determined by what people are actually doing.
My question is similar to this one but the details are a little different.
I have a friend D who takes things too seriously. Examples include:
In our group (me, them and another friend O) we would often lightly tease each other. We never try to be mean. Myself and O take it in stride but when...
No, we decided to try something new. We didn't take up a new moderating stance, and it was never our intention to make it a policy. Given the amount of push-back this received, I'll be writing a meta tonight.
Sometimes, it's better to try stuff instead of putting it on meta and not seeing anything happen at all.... :/ I do believe that you have a point, we received more negative feedback on that attempt.
I do however am still of the opinion that something needs to be done to get the voting culture going again and that we have a problem here > More to follow in the meta.
Encouraging people to avoid answering off topic questions is a network-wide issue, really... it's not something specific to this site and new in any way. Every site I've used has had to go through the learning process of teaching their users that off topic questions should not be answered. Because we're still to some degree figuring out our scope, it's understandable that there may be some confusion about what is and is not on topic...
So, was commenting that comment and downvoting stuff the wrong way of 'getting attention'?
I'd really like to see some more people in chat, there's a lot of people with privileges that you never see here, that are never asking a question... I also don't really see those people active on meta (or they must be just up and downvoting)....
I just wanted to get some attention, see people asking questions, get the voting culture going a bit more...
Not really a question we're discussing here, but people well past the limit of close-voting privileges answering close-worthy questions instead of commenting and closing ... :/
It to me also seems closely related to the fastest gun in the west syndrome, people hastening to write an answer to get as much rep as possible without thinking about the consequences... I'd really like to make them aware that there are negative consequences to answering a lot of such questions....
And educate them on how to recognize a good one and a bad one
@Tinkeringbell What are the negative consequences of answering as many questions as one can assuming they are decent questions and the answer is useful?
@IamSoNotListening Answering questions that don't meet our standards encourages users to continue to post sub-par questions because they know that despite the fact that their contributions don't meet the standards, they'll get an answer anyway. Also note that if the answer has a positive score, the question will not be automatically deleted by the roomba. Answering off-topic/low-quality questions encourages low-quality contributions and brings down the quality level of the site.
@Mithrandir How does the voting mechanism fail here. I don't see why this is such a big deal. Maybe this site get's more crap, errr, questionable questions than others.
@Mithrandir Ok, let me re-phrase. We have a voting mechanism, where we can mark a question as should be closed and then down vote said question without penalty. three of those should take the question off the main page. This works pretty well on the two other sites I am active on. Why does it fail here?
Also, I would point out, that in general ( not talking about obvious garbage ) a questions usefulness IS opinion based. IF more people find it useful then don't what does that say?
@IamSoNotListening Then, why isn't there more discussion about reopening things? Some of the users I'm trying to reach do have reopen privileges as well already...
Like I said, we do have a community problem and I'm just trying stuff to fix it, and I just got reigned in. I'm too enthusiastic sometimes
I'm not a native speaker so I apologize in advance for my bad English. I know the question may seem opinion based but I'm not asking for advice of what to do to fix my relationship, I'm just asking how can I phrase my concerns correctly to avoid being seen as "pointing a finger" at my friend.
Co...
Imagine a subordinate or peer who willfully employs a strategy of shoddy work and/or delay as a means of getting others to do it. A sort of parasitic negligence.
Assuming you did not want (or were not in a position) to terminate the individual, how would you 1x1 call out the behavior as unaccep...
My now ex-girlfriend and I dated for approximately 4 years (3 years 11 months). She had a friend that I got to know through my girlfriend, and all 3 of us would ocassionally go out and do things but honestly very rarely. About 3 and 1/2 years into our relationship, my now ex-girlfriend and I conv...
@Catija A late answer but since I obviously saw that question and only upvoted, just saying that I'm not good at writing text like those required there so I generally refrain from posting suggestions. So at least you get some feedback on why there hasn't been that much activity. But I liked your suggestion very much.
@Mithrandir hah, well, it's editable, feel free. I'm not big on the rhymes, and certainly not in English. I don't know how to pronounce half of the words I write, so my rhyming isn't right :)
@Tinkeringbell I'm surprised you're surprised. I have been around for a while, and I'm sure everyone knows that I chime in with some random ideas or videos to share. :)
I recently noticed a few things that made me worry about the community here. I basically started asking myself if there is one, and if there is, if it's not just a too small clique of users.
I noticed:
Some questions that are getting close- and downvotes also being upvoted and answered. This...
You know... D.Hutchinson's comments about my age have led me to consider asking a question here: "How do I effectively get people to look past my age when considering my abilities, if they know how old I am?"
When you run into someone that only an acquaintance, how do you greet him?
Only if there's eye contact?
Only a nod?
Better do my best to pretend that I didn't see him?
And if the aggravating circumstance is given that it's an acquaintance whom you have not seen for ages, like an ex-work-colleagu...
@Mithrandir I'm just gonna put out there that it never really goes away... (once your "old enough"... some people will see you as too old for current trends etc.)
My question is similar to this one but the details are a little different.
I have a friend D who takes things too seriously. Examples include:
In our group (me, them and another friend O) we would often lightly tease each other. We never try to be mean. Myself and O take it in stride but when...
Imagine a subordinate or peer who willfully employs a strategy of shoddy work and/or delay as a means of getting others to do it. A sort of parasitic negligence.
Assuming you did not want (or were not in a position) to terminate the individual, how would you 1x1 call out the behavior as unaccep...
I recently noticed a few things that made me worry about the community here. I basically started asking myself if there is one, and if there is, if it's not just a too small clique of users.
I noticed:
Some questions that are getting close- and downvotes also being upvoted and answered. This...
