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8:01 AM
@D.Hutchinson There's absolutely no need to talk about issues with me... First off, I don't moderate IPS as a diamond moderator, only Literature. Second, mods don't discuss issues with everyone; they're a normal user with some extra powers for exception handling. Third, you don't know the actual ages of anyone on here. I'm fairly sure that @Magisch still thinks I'm in my twenties :P
As long as you're old enough to use SE - 13+ - age is irrelevant. All that matters is the level of maturity.
 
8:16 AM
yeah, that's true ...
 
@Snow It's doing pretty well... it's got a positive score, just the answers aren't very upvoted ;) It takes some time here, meta participation is low too here. I don't see that question as a failure ;)
 
I really do admire your irrepressible optimism...!
 
@Tinkeringbell Linky?
 
thanks
 
8:27 AM
@Snow Hahaha :) It's a thing you need to learn, we call it 'omdenken' in Dutch... (something like reverse-thinking in English?) ... Just take something negative and make it positive :P
Like, I just spent 45 minutes on a waaaay too crowded train... but at least my workday is shorter now!
 
Yeah, I could really use that skill...
 
"When life hands you lemons, make lemonade."
 
Simplest way to start: When something bad happens, think 'now I have an excuse to eat a cookie' :P
 
@Mithrandir Make life take the lemons back. I didn't ask for no ***damned lemons!
 
Apparently I had already downvoted the answers to that meta question.
And apparently those comments were posted while the bot was down :(
 
8:29 AM
> “When life gives you lemons, don’t make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don’t want your damn lemons, what the hell am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life’s manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons! Do you know who I am? I’m the man who’s gonna burn your house down! With the lemons! I’m gonna get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!”
 
@Mithrandir What comments?
The ones on meta? Do you flag those as well?
 
@Tinkeringbell doesn't look like it
:stalk stalk: 5 helpful flags on meta
 
@Tinkeringbell The ones mentioned in the question.
 
I only have 3 :P
 
in The Closet, 9 mins ago, by IPS Meta Comments
#2395 Tinkeringbell (11600 rep) | Q: What constitutes a 'lack of research effort' on IPS? (score: 2) | posted 2 days ago by Tinkeringbell (11600 rep) | edited 2 days ago by NVZ (8319 rep)
 
8:35 AM
@Mithrandir Oh those ;) They're gone now anyway, I had to ask Catija to dig them up for me
You don't need a bot for everything :P
 
No, but bots do make things easier.
 
hmm
Is it normal for test names to get really long?
 
@Tinkeringbell :I disagree. POWER TO THE ROBOTS
 
@JarkoDubbeldam Depends on the definition of normal for your project
@Magisch Nooo.... I want to do stuff :P
 
@Tinkeringbell for the time being it was a solo project, so I might have not been adding tests, so I'm retroactively adding tests now
but it's pretty much twice as long as any method name in the project :x
 
8:45 AM
@Tinkeringbell code more bots
meta-doing stuff
 
Well, since you only are supposed to test one method every test, just give it the methodname+Test.
Else you're doing something wrong :P
@Magisch Hmmm.... not really interested tbh :P I have a huge list of books to read and crafts to start/finish first :P
 
obligatory what-are-unit-tests
 
o/
 
I know what they are but nobody here in my company uses any
o/ @ArtOfCode
 
@ArtOfCode Morning!
 
8:47 AM
@Magisch remind me never to work for your company
I've heard too many horror stories :P
 
@Magisch I'm the only one that sometimes writes them... when I feel like the cucumber ones aren't sufficient, or before making major code changes.
 
@Tinkeringbell well, I tried doing that, but it didn't really make sense to do that given the logic (or arguable lack thereof)
 
I get extra credit for that :D
 
Tip: Do not try to stuff a cucumber into your USB port to test your code.
 
obviously
it goes in the DVI port
 
8:48 AM
So I ended up with this: NotZeroBeforeEndLooptijdWhenMakingExtraPaymentsWithOptionFixedEnddate
 
Digital Vegetable Interface
 
@ArtOfCode It's not that bad
 
@JarkoDubbeldam If there's a lack of logic in the code, you're at a stalemate between refactoring and writing tests...
 
just ... special
 
@Mithrandir Enjoys not having dirty minds around :P
 
8:50 AM
@Tinkeringbell nah, it's not really lack of logic, but what I want to test is what happens after a method has been called 30 times
or a bunch of methods in conjunction
 
Last time I mentioned cucumber testing the convo went sort of in another direction @Snow! :P
@JarkoDubbeldam methodname+30XTest :P
@JarkoDubbeldam BunchTest :P
 
@ArtOfCode Like... a MakeyMakey?
 
@Tinkeringbell uh, but now there are multiple things I want to test
 
I'm finally at the station, bye for now! :)
 
speaking of logic
we have a function in vba 2003 access that is overloaded no less then 6 times at different levels of form, subform, subfunction and global function
based on parameters
pretty sure if I wrote a unit test for that it'd end up summoning cthulu
 
8:56 AM
I've always wanted to meet Cthulhu.
Go for it. :P
 
drafts letter to Tim P-
eh ... too lazy ...
goodnight, everyone
:)
 
you have weird night times
pretty sure you've said goodnight at every hour of the day
 
@D.Hutchinson sleep well!
@ArtOfCode now I'm curious too ;) Is there a reason? @D.Hutchinson
 
Odd sleep schedule?
I go to sleep at varying hours as well.
From 10PM to like 4AM.
 
@Mithrandir meta.stackexchange.com/a/304618/369802 pleasure to meet ;)
 
9:06 AM
4AM? Psssh, amateur ;)
 
@Mithrandir and is there a reason? :p
 
@ArtOfCode I smell medically concerning amounts of caffeine
 
@ArtOfCode I do have to get up around 8.
Caffeine? Never.
 
@Magisch newp
 
@ArtOfCode no caffeine?
 
9:08 AM
didn't even like coffee until recently
still don't drink it that much
 
@Magisch now I have to Google whether caffeine has a smell
 
I don't like coffee but caffeine can be obtained through other means
it does not
it tastes bitter, though
 
@Tinkeringbell Depends on how tired I am, how busy I am, how interesting whatever I'm working on is, and how accurate YouTube is being with its song suggestions.
 
@Magisch eh, caffeine pills sound horrible
 
@Mithrandir wow.. I go at 10 PM or not depending on whether it's weekend or not :P
 
9:09 AM
@ArtOfCode do they? why?
 
@Magisch dunno, they just... do
 
@ArtOfCode one is roughly equal to a cup and a half of coffee
 
At the moment, YT is being pretty good.
 
and they don't cost much
much less then coffee
 
Mithrandir can i ask you something?
 
9:11 AM
Yes. What's up?
 
@Mithrandir I threw all the good recommendations into a playlist, and it recommends stuff based on that... which is pretty accurate
 
Um. How much time did it take for you to earn a golden badge after you joined SE?
 
Wow. Were you an expert at first?
 
Nope, I was just a newbie with a passing interest in Harry Potter.
@ArtOfCode Currently got this on:
 
9:15 AM
@Mithrandir two steps from hell: star sky / victory are also really cool
really anything from two steps from hell
 
Yep. Exactly.
They put out another song about 16 hours ago.
 
And being nosey.. But have you evolved after interacting with people here
 
@Mithrandir adds to playlist
 
@cinebird Well, I think I hit puberty after interacting with people here... but I doubt that's what you meant by 'evolved' ;P
I've definitely changed, but I'm also a teenager, so it'll be hard to differentiate between what's normal teenager development and what was influenced by SE.
 
still silently calling bs on that
 
9:20 AM
Haha nice. I meant were you aware of what it takes to give a standard answer to questions before joining SE?
Were you frustrated when your answers didn't work even after you put much effort into it?
 
I didn't write any answers until 6 months after I joined, and it got a fairly positive reaction.
 
Well lucky you.
What does your name mean?
 
It's Gandalf's Elvish name from The Lord of the Rings.
 
Okay. Any idea what Rand al'Thor means?
 
character from the Wheel of Time
iirc
 
9:24 AM
It's the name of the main protagonist from The Wheel of Time.
 
Thats the main character from the fantasy book series "the wheel of time"
 
ha
double ninja
 
ArtOfNinja
 
But only mine was formatted nicely :p
 
Haha yes
True. Lucky guy/girl
 
9:25 AM
45
Q: How did Gandalf get each of his various names?

GwenGandalf goes by many names in Tolkien's works. Gandalf himself says in The Two Towers: "Many are my names in many countries. Mithrandir among the elves, Tharkûn to the dwarves; Olórin I was in my youth in the West that is forgotten, in the South Incánus, in the North Gandalf, to the East I go...

 
Well i am more of a reality person.I love the real world. Much more than the fictional
Maybe thats why i am so boring
 
*googles "cinebird"*
You into drones?
 
Oh no. It is a coincidence that it matches. I coined up cinebird. cine from cinema. bird because watching good movies elates me. I feel free as if i'm flying
Well drones fly too. Now thats nice
 
0
Q: Talking with someone who goes on lots of tangents

bluevaporI'm not sure how to put this, but a family member can be very long winded/has verbal diarrhea/thoroughly exhausts a topic of conversation. It's hard to listen to him as he says so much I can't focus and end up missing something important. This happens face to face, over the phone, through email a...

 
Was sent this YouTube today. Thought the IPS crowd might appreciate it...
 
9:38 AM
@ExtrovertedMainMan Well, verbal diarrhoea is but a natural urge. Maybe he doesnt filter between whats essential and what's not? You cant beat words with words. Just let him exhaust himself sometimes.
@ExtrovertedMainMan How old is he anyways?
 
NVZ
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Q: Have we visited all the countries / territories as a community?

Mark MayoIt occurred to me that while we have badges for tag experts etc, it might be useful to try and identify who has been to which countries/territories, as you could then ask that person about it in [chat]. If you're interested, I'm going to add an answer below and turn it into a Wiki. Please edit i...

check it out
 
@Mithrandir Mith are you there?
 
Yeah.
 
How do you answer questions?
 
What do you mean?
 
9:42 AM
I mean what do you do first : Google it or try to think it out on your own? Or do you always cross check on the internet if it is correct?
 
Uhh. Depends what the subject is. What site are we talking about here?
@Snow ...this is supposed to be a joke, right?
 
How would you answer a movie question?
 
@Mithrandir What's that? Can't view cause at work
 
@Mithrandir You can tell it's a joke because people are laughing.
 
@cinebird Heh. I've got three answers on Movies.SE. One of them is an identification question, which are no longer on-topic there. The other two are Harry Potter answers, which I answered... using quotes from the books. I know the books very well, so all I had to do was look for the quotes to include them in the answers.
@Snow Oh, okay. I don't watch TV, like... ever.
I don't have one :)
 
9:47 AM
Ok thanks for sharing it Mith. You are truly nice
 
No problem, I'm always happy to help out. You can usually find me in my office if you want to talk to specifically me ;)
 
@Mithrandir it's... surprisingly accurate, actually
speaking of YouTube videos... I got sent this one yesterday
 
People are never gonna give up rickrolling, will they.
 
nope :)
 
Back in the day, you could easily sport a rick-roll simply from looking at the youtube code.
 
9:52 AM
dQw4w and that
too obvious now :)
 
I've been on forums where rickrolling earned you an immediate 10 day suspension.
 
spoilsports :)
 
It was sanity. For a while, it got really stupid.
 
Could I please borrow some comment upvotes on this comment so that people might take notice?
 
@Mithrandir I want mine back before tomorrow, or I'll start charging interest :P
 
9:58 AM
@Tinkeringbell I returned it here ;)
371
Q: Graduation, site closure, and a clearer outlook on the health of SE sites

AnaBack in April of 2010, Joel shared our assumptions about the role of small sites in the newly minted Stack Exchange network: If a site does not have enough activity at the end of 90 days, it will be closed down. Any existing Q&A will be archived and made available for download, but the site...

 
@Mithrandir hah, thanks :)
 
A J
10:48 AM
Why so silent?
 
@AJ Work! :D
 
A J
You're back at work? Nice!
 
Yeah, I somehow am glad too :P Sitting at home is fun, but only when it's holidays, not sick leave :)
Oh, and I was busy claiming money back, and writing a diary of all the things that have gone wrong so far concerning my train rides. I'm thinking of keeping a list for a year, and just see how long it can get :P
So far, I already earned almost 24 euro's in delay claims ;)
 
A J
LOL. Good
 
And for today I'll get some money too, lemme check.
Almost 19 euro's earned this morning :D
And that's how you get rich sleeping :P
 
A J
10:56 AM
Then maybe it's time for you to give us a treat. ;)
 
@AJ hahaha, well, since Ash already treated everybody some ice-cream this morning, and we all need to live healthy, I'll wait till next week :P
 
A J
LOL. I can wait. :P
 
@AJ I hope you can forget as well :P
 
ice cream is full of carbs
 
@Magisch Well, if you have better suggestions? I'm not going to treat everyone on vegetables/fruit :P
That's not a 'treat'
 
A J
11:00 AM
@Tinkeringbell This mind doesn't forget. :P
 
11:24 AM
Okay..... quick IPS question:

This morning I sent the secretary a reply to an invite, with a 'handwritten note' stating that I was sorry for not reacting last week as requested, but that I would still ike to attend, and that I would gladly hear of her when this wasn't possible.

Now, she sent me an e-mail stating that my participation wouldn't be a problem at all, and asks me 'are you entire better now'?

Soooo... am I obliged to react to that?
 
It seems obvious that she simply confused you with someone else or just assumed that you previously didn't respond because you were ill. I'd reply with "Thank you for the confirmation. I think you might be confusing me with someone else, I'd not been ill - I was just too busy/lazy/indecisive to respond last week."
 
@Snow No.... I was ill ;) I put that in the note too :P
It's just that I asked her to reply when I could not come, and she replied that I could come :P
And I'd hate to fill her mailbox with useless chatter, so I'm wondering whether this is just a polite phrase or something I have to react to..
 
Oh, in that case, you just need to reply that you're feeling much better. That's what I'd do anyway. Emails are easily deleted, after all.
Generally, if someone asks me a question, I assume they'd appreciate an answer.
 
@Snow True... and otherwise it'll be a lesson ;) Don't chatter if you don't want a reply :P
 
@Tinkeringbell good veggies are a treat
 
11:35 AM
@Magisch You're NOT getting vegetables. So, pick a sin ;) Or it will be no treat for you :P
I hate people treating other people on vegetables, I'm not going to be that person :)
 
last time I made dinner for people there were like 0 carbs in it
broccoli cream with carrots and some other frozen greens and onions and a steak
 
@Magisch You made dinner ;) I'm talking treats, not entire dinners ;) .... broccoli cream?
and I hope you thawed out the frozen greens?
 
no I just put them on the plate like that
still frozen and everything
...
 
@Magisch You're weird enough to do that :P
 
broccoli cream is a gift of the flavor gods
@Tinkeringbell eh
 
11:40 AM
I never had broccoli cream.... Does it taste like broccoli very much?
@Magisch Hahaha ;) Just teasing you :)
 
@Tinkeringbell The way I make it is I take heavy cream and carrots and some chicken soup base and then blend broccoli and mix it in until the consistency is nice
tastes a lot like broccoli but broccoli tastes awesome so thats a plus
 
@Magisch I beg to differ. I find broccoli on its own pretty bland. But the cream and carrots stuff sounds like it's worth a try
 
12:10 PM
0
Q: How to mitigate underperformance as a delegation strategy?

Bob LevyImagine a subordinate or peer who willfully employs a strategy of shoddy work and/or delay as a means of getting others to do it. A sort of parasitic negligence. Assuming you did not want (or were not in a position) to terminate the individual, how would you 1x1 call out the behavior as unaccep...

 
12:23 PM
@ExtrovertedMainMan tb
 
@Mithrandir I thought I just said that? :/
Weird.
 
12:37 PM
What's with our voting behavior lately? I've seen so many upvotes on questions that should be getting close-votes instead?
@ExtrovertedMainMan This one is now at -2/+2 for example, and only 3 close votes?
 
@Tinkeringbell more people using IPS as a side-entertainment at work
I should know ... :p
 
Is there an easy way to see how many answers a user has written to questions that are closed?
 
I could write a query for that
 
@Magisch Would you please? It'll save me a lot of work and I want to confirm a suspicion... :/
 
@Tinkeringbell gimme a couple minutes
 
12:44 PM
@Magisch It can wait ;) If you're working right now, I won't need it before later tonight :D
 
1
Q: How much vs how many

DarkheartIs the usage of "how much" in this context, correct? And if it isn't, is this expression "this is too much car for me to handle?" correct? So when can "how much" be used with countable nouns and vice versa?

 
@Mithrandir .... I knew that.
 
So does my grammar plugin... Why didn't it pick it up!? :P
@Mithrandir Well, since you pointed it out, it's now your job to fix it too :P
 
12:50 PM
Hmm... those numbers are less shocking than I expected ;)
 
@Tinkeringbell ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
@Tinkeringbell done, plus fixed the other thing
 
I've not discovered a problem today :P
@Mithrandir I'm very very sure it's an user, not a user.... an apple, an (a,e,i,u etc...)
 
It depends on the pronunciation.
So, a user, an hour.
 
@Mithrandir Really? :/ You're not making the English easier!
 
12:53 PM
85
Q: Is it "a user" or "an user"

William shekspeareSince user starts with a vowel shouldn't we use "an" ? I've seen many cases of using "a" .

 
A J
duplicate of duplicate
 
@Tinkeringbell English has lots of relatively simple rules. It just has more exceptions than words that actually follow the rules.
 
@Mithrandir hahaha :) Well, today I learned :) Thank you! :)
 
I like correcting people's English :p
For instance, telling @mag that 'than' and not 'then' is used when making a comparison
 
@Mithrandir If you do it constructively, I don't mind ;) I would love to do that sometimes to people's Dutch on e.g. Facebook
But it's generally not well-received :P
 
1:01 PM
People don't like being told that they are doing things the wrong way...
 
@Mithrandir Yeah, and combine that with a subgroup that also doesn't want to be told that it could go even better when... and you'll have found the people that'll never learn :P
 
@Tinkeringbell But why would you care what people on facebook think or say?
 
@Magisch It's not so much the people on facebook, but the 'friends' I have on facebook (mom, aunts, bff's) that find me really annoying and a bit rude when I do it to other people... So yeah, since I encounter those people in real life, I do care ;)
 
pff people in general
 
@Magisch Oh for that I don't care... I just do care for what the real-life people think of me :)
 
1:15 PM
@Tinkeringbell fatal flaw
 
There's some amazing crap on one of the Facebook groups I'm in.... It's a group where you can give away your old stuff (that's still too good to trash) for free... I'm almost ashamed to be there when I see the grammar and spelling over there.
@Magisch Not really, manipulative behavior works pretty well :P
Question? Am I technically allowed to downvote answers on questions that should be closed instead, just to make a point? :P
 
Yes.
 
Good. Consider that campaign started then :)
Is there another solution to get users with enough rep to close vote to get them to close vote instead of answering?
Should I make a meta asking people to think before they answer? I think we already have one?
 
Because Reputation is so easy to come by, a lot of people don't really know what's on or off topic by the time the have the reputation to close vote.
 
@Catija :/ .... Well, take a look at this one: interpersonal.stackexchange.com/questions/9412/…... I get the hint that at least one person doesn't care: they comment but answer anyway... :/
Sadly there's not enough of a pattern there to warrant calling such behavior out directly :/
 
1:37 PM
Eh... it's going to happen. I've been on some sites where they either delete these sorts of answers or admonish the person posting them, reminding them that, while we all want to help, it's important to keep the site scope in mind when deciding to answer questions. Answering off topic or too broad questions gives the OP little reason to improve the question.
It also makes it more likely that subsequent questions will be low-quality.
 
@Catija I'm going to convert that into some sort of auto-comment if you don't mind?
 
Answering questions that don't meet our standards encourages users to continue to post sub-par questions because they know that despite the fact that their contributions don't meet the standards, they'll get an answer anyway. Also note that if the answer has a positive score, the question will not be automatically deleted by the roomba. Answering off-topic/low-quality questions encourages low-quality contributions and brings down the quality level of the site.
 
@Mithrandir Good enough! (Actually, perfect :) ). Where's that list of auto-comments located again?
 
18 hours ago, by Mithrandir
@AnneDaunted You can find my three IPS auto comments (for "Try this" answers, "What should I do?" questions, and answers in comments) at Pastebin.
 
@Mithrandir Danke!
Are you going to comment, or shall I?
 
1:45 PM
Guess I will
I should have my list of auto-comments somewhere in an editable, shareable place...
 
gist
 
...that should be encourages, not encourage
 
@Mithrandir Thanks :)
 
@Tinkeringbell I commented on 3/5 of the answers here, feel free to do the others :P
 
@Mithrandir Done ;)
 

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