The Awkward Silence

They divided states and cities according to those phases for voting. There is not enough infrastructure and manpower available to conduct voting on this large scale in a single day.

Em C

ah, I see

thesecretmaster

4:49 AM

Bots temporarily turned off due to an issue with the chat connection that I don't have time to debug right now.

dhein

5:08 AM

GaMen :)

A J

5:44 AM

morning!

avazula

6:03 AM

Morning everyone! :)

dhein

o/

Pseudohuman

\o

avazula

@thesecretmaster oh shoot :/ thanks for warning us, I hope its nothing too bad?

A J

@avazula mornng!

Introverted Meta Man.

6:47 AM

-1

Q: Can this post be reopened

I have a question about my Interpersonal Skills Stack Exchange post: Why people are often mad at me with I having no idea why they're mad? I did additional edits. I know some people will be mad at me. They are snowflakes sjws. However, why so many? In sugar communities?

discussion

dhein

What does snowflake and sugar community in that context mean?^^

avazula

@dhein the post refers to a subreddit of BDSM, SD and SB

so "sugar" is for sugar daddies/babies/mommies/etc

dhein

Weird people ^^

And what about snowflake?

avazula

@dhein I have no idea. I guessed the sugar from the subreddit thread from which the question ocntent comes from

dhein

Ah, so it was like a request to councel for that guy on reddit?

avazula

7:03 AM

@dhein It was between a rant that most people are angry at them for no reason and asking what was the problem with a deleted thread on that subreddit

dhein

Kay, I see why that's none of our business >.<

avazula

@dhein that's clearly off topic ^^

Magisch

I know some of those terms, regrettably

avazula

Plus the meta question is quite unkind if not rude

dhein

@avazula Yeah, but I had to be able to see that post to have concluded that myself :P

avazula

7:05 AM

@dhein well now you know why it was put on hold :)

dhein

@avazula Not getting most of the terms it was being complained about, I couldn't spot the anivity. But I trust you there :P

@avazula ... and deleted ;P

@Magisch How can that happen? :o

@Magisch Having been surfing on the wrong sites? :P

Magisch

The internet is a dark and scary place

avazula

@dhein "sjws" -> Social justice warriors (although it may sound nice, that word is used to refer negatively to people who care about social justice and tbh I have no idea why there would be sjws angry at their post because I don't even understand their subreddit question in the first place)

Tinkeringbell

Is it just me, or did the whole layout of Twitter just change on PC?

Feels like I'm looking at a mobile web version or something, and I can no longer copy links to tweets :/

dhein

@Magisch Hah, how glad I can be then, that I hadn't encountered things that unsettled me, yet '^.^

Magisch

7:10 AM

@Tinkeringbell Yeah, they had an UI redesign

to bring mobile and pc versions together. Sorta like reddit did

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Blegh. I preferred the old one.

@thesecretmaster twitter.com/BhargavHS/status/1120899629707456514 Perhaps the same problem?

dhein

@avazula Ah, good to know. Well sjws doesn't even sound nice in the first place. I mean calling someone out for being defensive towards something is rarely if ever meant well :P

Magisch

It's a perjorative

dhein

@Tinkeringbell Well, we almost allways do. Humans prefer what they are used to x)

Extroverted Main Man

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Q: What causes someone to be unable to invest in a relationship?

I am a young male in my early 30s from the UK. In the past I have had many girlfriends, and when I started dating in my teens I found that I could become quite invested in a relationship, and genuinely like the person a lot and want to be around them a lot. These days though, for atleast 10 year...

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avazula

7:12 AM

@Magisch well it's especially true in English, it may be less pejorative in other languages

Ælis

@avazula Oh, I knew what "snowflakes" mean (i.e: you are too sensitive/overreacting) and I thought "sugar community" had something to do with that (like the french expression "t'es pas en sucre") ^^'

Magisch

No, it's almost universally a perjorative. I don't like using it even when referring to conduct I dislike because it's unproductive at best

avazula

@Ælis nah, sugar is used as a reference to the BDSM SD and SB. But TIL snowflake, thanks :) (even though I wish we wouldn't tell people such a thing lol)

@Magisch well, I saw French-speaking people using the word to describe people who tried to seek social justice but maybe they were still being rude. Oh... that means I've been insulted on social media for quite a while then haha

dhein

Being insulted sometimes feels better without being aware of it, hu? :P

@Ælis Ahhhh thanks, yeah. I knew I was called that a few times in the past. Just couldn't come up with the context

Magisch

It's used pretty much as a cue to dismiss anything someone says

"oh they're just a sjw" meaning "it's pointless to discuss with them" and/or "ignore whatever that person says or ridicule it"

avazula

7:23 AM

That's sad

Magisch

It's more or less like calling someone alt-right, except as a perjorative for left leaning individuals

dhein

7:41 AM

@avazula: Btw, had the read on my mail already? Hope I didn't step on your toes :x

avazula

@dhein I got your email and read it the very same day. But you asked me to wait before I answer to be sure I'll make a thoughtful answer - sorry to disappoint but my mind was made from the beginning :p I guess it's time to answer then :)

dhein

7:59 AM

@avazula Hahaha, yeh. Just wasn't sure if I stepped on your toes. Taking time is as mentioned totally fine and appreciated :)

"sorry to disappoint but my mind was made from the beginning :p" Not sure what that is expressing ^^ Why that should be disappointing me? :p

avazula

@dhein Well, I thought you expected me to change my mind (which is why you'd ask me to take some time before I answer) but I knew in the beginning what my answer would be. :p

no worries, you didn't overstep in any way :)

Twyxz

This is some CIA level discretion

avazula

@Twyxz wth are you doing here you spying square?

Since I don't answer in TWC now you come spying on us in here? :p

Twyxz

I'm always here, just after 10 :P

NEver talk though

Tinkeringbell

You're orange. I'm Dutch. You can stay, for Koningsdag :)

A J

8:09 AM

I am golden. :P

Twyxz

My colour changes rather often :P @Tinkeringbell

Tinkeringbell

@Twyxz I think you should really stick with the orange ;)

Magisch

bring in the green parrots

Tinkeringbell

Sure, bring em on. I'm in a mood for a good fight! :P

Twyxz

Hmm but orange is too bright

I was a black square for a full year

Tinkeringbell

8:14 AM

My avatar is apparently too red, but that's not stopping me!

I like this one, and I think this one will stick for a full year at least too

Perhaps even longer

Twyxz

But you come with a diamond

That's all the recognition you need

Tinkeringbell

Nah, the diamond means nothing :P

Ugly monkeys with diamond rings are still ugly ;)

avazula

@Tinkeringbell who told you that? what a weird idea :p

Twyxz

But ugly people with money are a lot less ugly than ugly poor people

digs for gold

dhein

@avazula Hahaha, never would expect that. I just wanted you to be open to that thought experiment and tell me your conclusion :P But well, lets continue that just via mail :)

Tinkeringbell

8:16 AM

@avazula Was a real complaint I got shortly after switching to this one... Not going to tell you who, but it makes a great joke ;)

@Twyxz You probably will end up finding @AJ then ;)

avazula

@Tinkeringbell I can't believe that :p

A J

haha

Twyxz

Think I just did :)

A J

> Beauty is in the eye of the beholder

:P

dhein

@Twyxz Back it up! please xP

Tinkeringbell

8:18 AM

@Twyxz That's not true, they're still equally ugly but there's another kind of ugly on the inside that makes it appear not so ;)

dhein

@Tinkeringbell I want backups! :D

Tinkeringbell

@dhein Pffft. I think there's a tool to save chat conversations and make a backup of them, but I've never used it before... :P

Twyxz

Oh :( @Tinkeringbell Guess that's my fate

Lol if only I was rich

Tinkeringbell

Money doesn't make happiness, but I'm happy I make money ;)

Twyxz

It sure helps

dhein

8:21 AM

@Tinkeringbell Buuuuhh

Tinkeringbell

You don't have to be rich though, that comes with its own set of worries.

avazula

I'm terrified of lacking money

If I weren't I'd already have changed jobs

dhein

Lacking money and being rich are 2 diferent pairs of shoe, tho.

Or lets say "Lacking money and NOT being rich" are

Tinkeringbell

One of the things that's keeping me back from switching jobs right now is indeed the money. This company just has so many good benefits, I'll surely be taking a cut in that if I switch jobs, especially if I were to go back to retail and minimum wage :/

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell why not find another software dev job

or apply at SE when they have another CM position open

avazula

8:23 AM

@dhein As engineer is the only paid job I ever did, I'm afraid I wouldn't be able of living peacefully with less money

@Magisch Granted she'd like to do this :p

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch That's not going to happen. If I am going to switch jobs, it's going to be to get rid of the whole gender wars, not to be more involved in them ;)

Besides, working for SE is impractical for me.

avazula

remote work isn't good for you?

dhein

@avazula Well, I wasn't able to pay my bills before I started working at SAP. And it already makes a huge difference in quality of life, just to be a few 10€ above your monthly expanses or a few 10€ below your monthly expanses.... '^.^

Tinkeringbell

@avazula Amongst other things ;) I like working remote 2 days a week, I also like seeing other people the other 3 days :P

avazula

@Tinkeringbell I understand :p working remotely has its pros and cons and isolation may definitely be a con

eyeballs-please | (Should we delete this?) | interpersonal.stackexchange.com/questions/21586/…

It isn't salvageable in any way

Tinkeringbell

8:30 AM

@avazula It's a community thing. Have at it :P

DaF '^.^

daf?

Da F*** :P

aaaaah

Urban dictionary said "drunk af" so you can imagine I was kinda confused haha

Twyxz

8:32 AM

That bear does like DaF

Tinkeringbell

@dhein That's usually what you say before you understand that code though! :P

dhein

Stop making me literal LoL at work, please xD

Twyxz

So it works

Tinkeringbell

@dhein Go work instead of chatting! :P

dhein

@Tinkeringbell You are quite in a mocking me mood this morning, aren't you? :P

Tinkeringbell

8:33 AM

I have to wait, someone decided to reboot a server. And yes, I have to have my development environment on a server :/

@dhein You're making it too easy this morning! :P I'll stop :)

avazula

@Tinkeringbell high five!

dhein

I just finished my first own productive project this morning. So I want to stick around with people I like here and anticipate the moment. But sure go on mocking me :P

Tinkeringbell

@avazula I got a whatsapp: We're going to reboot.

I shout at them to wait a few minutes so I can save stuff..

And just before I save the last file, they restart anyways :/

Twyxz

"It wasn't important anyway"

avazula

@Tinkeringbell :/ how do you shout on Whatsapp?

dhein

8:35 AM

@avazula I think she got that whatsapp from the guys next door :P

Tinkeringbell

@avazula Caps lock :P

dhein

x'D

Tinkeringbell

Or voice message :P You choose :P

avazula

lol

A J

carpet in @Tinkeringbell's house

Ælis

8:39 AM

@AJ That a nice joke, but am I the only one who found this carpet very ugly?

A J

Hshhh.... Tink is here. ;P

Tinkeringbell

The carpet is very ugly, and won't make it across my doorstep!

dhein

@AJ lol, that's "the brown fox jumped over the lazy dog" in ASCII :O

A J

lol

dhein

@Ælis I am having ambivalence on that... Ugly but Fancy ^^

A J

8:41 AM

> They said, "explain deadlock and we will hire you". I said, "hire me and I'll explain it to you." ;)

Ælis

@avazula That's another way to solve @Rainbacon problem of "there are too many closed questions on the main page" :p (on a more serious note, I agree with you and voted to delete)

avazula

:p

Ælis

9:13 AM

So, I just made a few edits in one of my tests (like 5 lines of code or something). I push and merge it without thinking. But it was during a big demo and my merge causes the whole app to redeploy. And, the redeploy didn't go well (for some weird reasons) and now the app has regressed to an ulterior version while the big demo is still going one. So, let's just say I don't feel good right now :/

Ælis

9:34 AM

Also, now I'm all bothered and unable to focus on my work. I probably shouldn't have come to work today...

dhein

9:50 AM

@Ælis What you mean by "demo"?

Ælis

@dhein A demonstration, when the app is presented to (some) people

dhein

Ah, I see. Prefer some words of making you feel better, or prefer to hear why I'd say it isn't even your fault in the first place?:*

Ælis

@dhein I know it's only partialy my fault, so if you could support that claim, it would make me feel better ^^

avazula

If it may help you feel better i just got my new spectacles and my partner says I look like a bull ^^

dhein

@Ælis Kay.... so.... Who actually is demonstrating an product that is not fully seperated from the development enviroment. You shouldn't even have to consider, what the sales team is up to when you want to change the code. So even if your merge causes a redeploy, a demo system shouldn't even take note of it :x

avazula

9:57 AM

@dhein +1

dhein

I mean what world would we live in, if developers were blocked in tehir tasks by the work sales is doing? :P

@avazula If you take that as an compliment, sure I am happy for you x)

avazula

@dhein nah I was kinda trying to comfort Aelis by sharing a bad compliment I got x)

Ælis

@avazula How can glasses makes you look like a bull Oo (also, your use of the word "spectacle" made me think of all kind of weird things before I realize it was the english word for "glasses" XD )

Twyxz

I'm English

And I can say nobody uses the word "spectacles"

Ælis

@Twyxz French people do... when they want to talk about a show :p

Twyxz

10:02 AM

Yeah so do English

That was a great "spectacle"

avazula

@Twyxz I would answer that but I don't know any polite way to express how I feel in English

:p

Twyxz

something that is spectacular to watch is a spectacle

Ælis

@dhein Agree here. But some improvement are planned so...

@avazula Twyxz was just saying that you have an old and wise soul :p

avazula

@Ælis yeah right :p

Twyxz

Silly woman

I mean, You have an old and wise soul

Wait you're not even old

Ælis

10:07 AM

@Twyxz Don't you see that @ava has white hair? Also, she has a young body but a very deep, old and wise soul ^^

avazula

Right now all I am is my cat's slave. And my cat wants cuddles...

Ælis

@avazula Your cat must be even wiser than you :p

avazula

Fedora is the truth

Fedora is a smart cat

She knows about hygiene and everything

dhein

@Ælis Same. It was "makes me look like a bull" that made me get the meaning of spectacles. No offense x)

Twyxz

I forgot I followed you on instagram :P

avazula

10:11 AM

@Ælis I'd love to dye my hair white

dhein

@Ælis Yeh, but yeh.... Could happen to anyone, thats why they really should just make such a cut between the systems :)

Ælis

@avazula I'd love to dye my hair in all sort of color. But it's too much work/time/effort. If it was either, my hair might currently look like my avatar :p

dhein

@avazula If you get old enough it will be white when dying xP

avazula

@dhein dur dur dur you made a spelling mistake dur dur dur :p

dhein

@avazula So did you xP

avazula

10:13 AM

@dhein I was imitating you :p

dhein

But I am not the grammar police. without your edit I had not even noticed I guess xP

avazula

:)

@Ælis If I had the knowledge I'd love to help you dye your hair like a rainbow :D

dhein

@avazula Now I wonder, if I was just saying dur dur dur between all my sentences, if people would find that weird or just typical for me x)

avazula

@dhein that's just my new favorite word

dhein

@avazula What does it mean?

Ælis

10:15 AM

@avazula I love seeing picture of your cat ^^ Also, I notice the "Elia" name on your instagram, is it another name that you love?

A J

@avazula Heh! I did see that cat there two days ago. I just didn't realize it was yours. ;)

avazula

^ this made me laugh so much

dhein

'^.^

Ælis

@avazula Rainbow power! \o/

avazula

@Ælis Idk why I used that one there tbh, I guess at the time I didn't want to make such an obvious connection between my SE/dev life and my personal life

also because it's my username on my blog

dhein

10:18 AM

Haha, Bailey had a similiar picture made of her dog. Don't know how to find her insta account without accessing facebook and that sort, what I refrain from doing at work

x)

@avazula Your blog? tell me more x)

avazula

"dur dur" would mean "gna gna gna" in French but I have no idea how to translate that in English :p

@dhein it's in French :)

dhein

@avazula aha interesting... Tell me more x)

avazula

I talk about autism, family and PTSD there

dhein

Okay thats indeed interesting :D

avazula

But I don't write that much, I'm terrified about my articles not being perfect so I barely write anything

Ælis

10:20 AM

@avazula Oh, I love "gna gna gna"! But "dur dur dur" is far less funny (probably because it makes me thing of the french word "dur" which mean "hard" and then, the sentence doesn't have any sense anymore)

@avazula In any case, I like that name ^^

dhein

@avazula You should write an article about that! I just recently figured, how many autists aren't aware that the need to be perfectionist is a symptom of autism. And that the fact of hestiating to accept the own autism diagnose comes from the very same.

Quite a sad story.

"gna gna gna" works in german aswell (Or I am jsut too influenced by english already). But I assure that it is the same either in german or english.

avazula

@dhein Yeah, I get that. I'm considering starting to write on Medium; I have tons of ideas but I'm afraid of - talking gibberish - talking about stuff that was already covered so many times before - my English not being good enough - and so on...

dhein

Medium?

Whats that?

avazula

I'm trying to write an article on how playing the Sims helped me improve my life for the better but perfectionism strikes again

Ælis

@avazula Oh, I would love to read that article :)

avazula

10:24 AM

@dhein It's kind of a journal covering numerous topics from web dev to machine learning, from cooking to meditation ... it's very broad

@Ælis hehe :D I'll try to write it today

I'm not hungry so I guess I'll use my lunch break for that

dhein

If it would help you, I'd love to review it. Not for language purposes, but other autists are a good reference to get feedback about where the perfectionism is apropiate and where you just overthink it :)

Hehe. Btw want to share a story with you before I gotta go focus on my work again for the remaining work day :)

avazula

@dhein I'll consider it. Thanks :)

@dhein sure! Shoot us :)

Ælis

@avazula For the perfectionism aspect, maybe writting everthing quickly and not taking the time to think might help. Or maybe do a checklist of things you want to check before publishing. And once everything is check, just hit the publish button.

Twyxz

Don't shoot me I'm only young

avazula

@Ælis When I was in middle school I'd write everything at once and not go back to it anymore. Maybe I should proceed that way again

dhein

10:29 AM

Yesterday I started chatting with a girl. She mentioned on multiple occasions, how her work requires her to be very structured and that also getting a habbit in her personal life. I got curious and asked her out about that. She then told me she works in an institution with disabled children, where a big part from are autists.

So I started playing a little bit devils advocate, just cause I like doing it and wanted to see her reaction. She kept defending the autistic traits in such a lovely way... haha... Really looking forward to continue to converse with her after work.

avazula

Love is in the air :D

dhein

Curiousity is in the air ^^

Well, Curiosity was in the air... then in space... and now on Mars. But thats a diferent thing

avazula

lol

Ælis

@avazula You could do that in a first time. I know that what I do when I write stories. Then I added a re-reading for grammar check. Then one for word-repetition check. Another for sentence lenght check (they shouldn't be too long). Etc... But each re-reading has a purpuse and I (try to) focus only one that one when doing the re-reading

dhein

Anyways, was a nice chat, having someone explaining my traits to me rather than having to explain it myself :P

A J

10:33 AM

@avazula hmm

avazula

@Ælis I forgot I could come to see you for writing advice! :D

Ælis

@dhein Do you know if she think it was a nice chat too? I know I would have find this kind of chat exhausting and not that nice (having to defend other people)

@avazula Well, I'm not an expert but you are welcome to ask for advice anytime :)

avazula

I love your writing so I'll definitely think about it when I'm stuck :D

Ælis

:D <3

avazula

<3

dhein

10:36 AM

@Ælis Well, how should I know? But my impression was, she did. Also defending wasn't the right phrase here I think. I wasn't in offense. It was more like asking her about it in a curious way, to see how aware she is on it. She just kept putting her self in a defender role. But not against me, but more like "You know people don't understand that..... And that really dissapoints me"

avazula

Does she know about your autism?

dhein

@avazula Nope

avazula

ooh, okay

dhein

But even if it backfires... Another lesson being learned :P

Ælis

@dhein People usually don't like argument and disagrement. So, I guess if you were neutral or positive (agreeing with her), then it probably went well for her too (maybe... I hope... I have no idea because I didn't see the conversation :p )

dhein

10:43 AM

@Ælis Well... my profile kinda says on that platform, I enjoy to discuss things. And also just contact others that seem to fit for that preference. But still, here I wasn't. Actually I was just asking her 1 line questions(me... unbeliveable, isn't it?)and she kept giving broader and broader response.

So I think not much that could have gone wrong x)

But please stop rotting my emotions, that make me look forward to my afterwork activity xP

Ælis

@dhein Me and my pesimistic/defetistic part are going to stop speaking about that now :p

dhein

@Ælis Thank you :) As I really am looking forward x)

Ælis

Changing subject now:

dhein

<3

avazula

I made some mushroom risotto for today's lunch... can't wait to try it!

Tinkeringbell

11:05 AM

@avazula Im having bread with chocolate sprinkles. But mom apparently got another patient and will be a bit later, so now I'm just outside enjoying the sun :D

avazula

@Tinkeringbell ooh! sounds delicious. If you don't mind me asking, is your mom in the healthcare industry?

Tinkeringbell

@avazula Yep. I don't know what exactly it's called in English, but she's a kind of nurse that goes to people's homes to help them with medicines, but also stuff like getting out of bed, showering, socks ;)

avazula

@Tinkeringbell oh, I see what you mean. We call them "life auxiliary" in French but I don't know the English word either.

My father used to have one visit him every day. It was life-changing for all of us :)

Tinkeringbell

@avazula It's something, I guess.. I wouldn't want to do her job, and I don't think I would be happy with the life some of her patients are having either. I guess the only people that really benefit are the 'mantelzorgers': the people like family members or neighbours that would otherwise be forced to do this stuff without pay

Pro-tip: if you move don't become acquaintances with the elderly neighbour next door over here, as you'll end up doing a nurses job but unpaid.

Magisch

meh

avazula

11:17 AM

@Tinkeringbell Sadly true, but there are things that those people can do that the family sometimes can't. My father had to have regular shots and needed help to be transferred for his medical bed to his wheelchair. We couldn't do that on our own.

Magisch

the only thing the old woman next door wanted from me so far was helping carry a tv and assorted electronics upstairs

dhein

@Tinkeringbell Or as akbar would say "Its a trap!" :D

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Over here, you get visits from like municipality people asking you what you can still do yourself, and only if there's absolutely no one that can e.g. do your vacuuming or groceries or cleaning or whatever you get a help/nurse. I actually ran into it once, where I did groceries for an old lady down our street and when I came to deliver them we both nearly got in trouble, her for saying there was no one and I was almost stuck with an unpaid job

dhein

11:34 AM

@Tinkeringbell Woot? So random people can get enforced to do that in netherlands, just because they have the capability to do so and are living close by?

JAD

hurray for the participatiesamenleving! \o/

@dhein it's pretty much the result of unrelenting budgetcuts in long-term healthcare

Tinkeringbell

@dhein Well, depends on what you call enforcing but ... If people don't get care, you end up doing it because you hate seeing them without. So yes, in a sense...

dhein

@Tinkeringbell Ahhh, I get your point... :x

JAD

guilt-tripping

Tinkeringbell

And societal peer pressure, you're bad if you don't do it.

dhein

11:49 AM

Meeeeeeh.... And I allways thought netherlands are such a relaxed and nice place to be... This sounds cruel, tho...

Tinkeringbell

@dhein It was, when I was growing up. Something changed the last twenty or so years though, and not for the better ..

dhein

Ohhhh :/

Magisch

12:12 PM

Well the age pyramid is inverting, so fewer younger people have to care for more older people

And healthcare professions are notoriously laden with stress and poorly paid, so not a lot of young people have interest in the field. So there's a terminal lack of healthcare workers.

A friend of mine who works as a nurse earns about 500€ a month less then me, with overtime, and works 45 hour weeks instead of my 37. He also works changing shifts on weekends and the job is generally stressful. Unless you have a passion for healthcare, why would you choose to go into that field then?

avazula

@Magisch that's exaclty it to me, it's about passion

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch There's also the increasing amount of effort that is being put into just keeping people alive, or at home... I sometimes wonder if we're not doing too much with regards to that...

So you get less people caring for more people but also having to put in more and more effort in caring for those people

Magisch

@avazula Well, passion doesn't scale.

avazula

@Magisch Agreed

Magisch

Healthcare is a thankless and underpaid field, with long and stressful hours. And the society we're heading for needs massively more people in healthcare

Twyxz

12:24 PM

@Magisch The current state of healthcare, they're pushing away current workers, scaring away prospective workers, and not enticing enough potential workers

Magisch

specifically in the field of elder care, a trained CNA starts at minimum wage here

minimum wage for a high stress high responsibility job with training required just isn't attractive

Twyxz

not just the responsibility but the job itself

Dealing with crap from whoever, getting shouted at, tiring physical work, unpleasant work (cleaning pretty much anything you could think of)

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Over here, there just was a news article. Apparently nursing doesn't pay that bad: This woman was getting the same wages as me, but for a day work a week less. And it was excluding the fees for weekends or holidays.

Twyxz

It's just not worth doing it for minimum wage, no matter how caring you are, nobody wants minimum wage for doing all those things when you could just go work in a warehouse or drive or work on tills, all of which come with stress but they're nowhere near as much as Healthcare industry jobs

Tinkeringbell

Of course that's also only 1 data point ;)

Magisch

12:29 PM

even the people in our warehouse make 11€/hr, and it's traditionally a very easy going job you don't need training for

Ælis

12:39 PM

Anyone have a good question to ask? Because I agree with Rainbacon, all those "on hold" question in the "newest" page are starting to get depressing...

Tinkeringbell

12:50 PM

Sorry... there's been a lot happening here but nothing very related to a lack of Interpersonal Skills ;)

Twyxz

TWP is quite quiet also

Tinkeringbell

@Twyxz Different definitions of quiet, I guess ;)

Ælis

@Tinkeringbell Pff, those people who doesn't lack interpersonal skills.... :p

Twyxz

@Ælis Lack common sense instead

Tinkeringbell

Common sense doesn't exist... it's neither common (or else, why are we dealing with cultural differences here from day to day?) or sense (it's not a feeling that something is the case: you can tell a kid a 1000 times not to touch the hot thing, but in the end they're more likely to touch it anyway and learn from that).

avazula

12:57 PM

@Tinkeringbell ooh, that reminds me of a bunch of meta posts haha

Tinkeringbell

@avazula I may have said that before XD

Twyxz

I think I've seen it before also :P

Rainbacon

@avazula It's gone now

avazula

yay

thesecretmaster

1:17 PM

@Tinkeringbell Thanks, looks like that was in. Back up now.

Tinkeringbell

@thesecretmaster \o/! Thank you for taking care of the bots :)

avazula

@thesecretmaster yay!

Thank you :)

avazula

1:38 PM

storms :'(

Rainbacon

@avazula I miss having storms, you can send them here if you'd like

avazula

As you wish

Tinkeringbell

They should be getting here by nightfall. We're getting one of those muddy rains :/

The wind is already picking up speed

avazula

@Tinkeringbell oh no :/

^ this is the view from ~~my office~~ my home

I'm surprised the sky isn't darker than this

Tinkeringbell

Looks wet :P

avazula

1:41 PM

the pond? :p

Magisch

27C and clear blue sky here

rip

Tinkeringbell

@avazula Everything!

avazula

@Magisch I'd like to say "could we switch" but 27C is a lot

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch So far, similar here but a bit colder, I think we're in the low twenties

And a lot of wind

avazula

14 here

Magisch

1:43 PM

They're predicting we could hit 42-45C this summer

previous all time record is 38C

avazula

oh dear

that's a lot

Magisch

yeah this summer will most likely be long, dry and very hot

Twyxz

Is that in France?

avazula

@Twyxz nah, we're not that many Frenchies around

Twyxz

huh

Magisch

1:58 PM

the urge to go "BAGUETTE HON HON HON" is almost irresistible

:D

avazula

hold on, let me grab my beret and my cigarette :p

Tinkeringbell

I'll bring the french bread and stinky cheese :P

Magisch

"this is not a jackhammer, this is a jack-hammeur" "hon hon hon hon hon hon" :D

avazula

oh dear haha

you can bring the cheese but you won't find me

I'll be on strike at the factory

Tinkeringbell

Did I ever tell about that time we visited Mont Saint-Michel? :P

avazula

2:00 PM

I don't think so?

Magisch

and people say germans have no sense of humor

Tinkeringbell

@avazula Years ago, we would still go on holiday with the entire family. So 5 of us in a car, and we're at the parking site. My brothers weren't too fond of France, especially the language. So my dad opens the car window in case the parking attendant we're driving towards wants to say something (or it was still open for getting a ticket from the machine, don't know) anyhow... right as we drive, windows open, past that poor attendant, my older brother shouts through the car: JE SUIS UNE BAGUETTE

Poor guy didn't know whether to laugh or call security, from the look on his face.

avazula

LOL

Tinkeringbell

We still call him baguette from time to time XD

Fits him, he's tall and skinny :P

avazula

is he beige as well?

Tinkeringbell

2:04 PM

A bit pale, yes :P

Magisch

my one trip to france was a pretty negative experience

avazula

I just got my cat to get off my desk ... 20 secondes later she's back

Look who wants cuddles again

Magisch

we were in southern france on a class field trip, we went in the summer when it was way too hot, spent most time visiting cities and historical sites and I paid 7€ for a small ice cream in St. Tropez

avazula

Ah she sure loves when I work remotely

I don't even see my screen right now

@Magisch Ouch ... expensive city indeed

JAD

2:25 PM

I only ever heard of St. Tropez when used as luxurious holiday destination

Ælis

2:55 PM

@Magisch Oo Ice creams are supposed to be 2€ top in my mind. For this price, I hope you enjoyed it!

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