I might make a meta post about this but... Is it appropriate to respond to answers of "too broad" marked questions with this comment? https://interpersonal.stackexchange.com/questions/9412/how-to-mitigate-underperformance-as-a-delegation-strategy#comment-36609
My reason being, too broad does not necessarily mean "Low-quality" or "Off-topic" so it does not explicitly encourage those sorts of answers
I recently noticed a few things that made me worry about the community here. I basically started asking myself if there is one, and if there is, if it's not just a too small clique of users.
I noticed:
Some questions that are getting close- and downvotes also being upvoted and answered. This...
@JesseBarnett Questions that are too broad, like questions that are off topic or POB, don't meet community standards, and should be closed. I don't see how too broad differs with respect to either fixing the question or closing it, instead of answering.
I don't really think that being broad is any different... answering too broad questions has the same side effect of making the OP feel like editing their question is unnecessary.
On worldbuilding we sometimes have a problem where a too broad question is answered before it can be closed which makes a situation where to reopen the question existing answers need to be invalidated.
In this example, I think we have done well working with the asker. And they are engaged and will hopefully continue updating their question to meet our standards as there is a very good question underneath. Sure, I agree with you all that those answers are rushed and should not have gotten posted and a good reason is that when narrowing down a "too-broad" question the answer may become invalid...
so my point is the comment on the answers does not cover this, it warns of something else, about low quality and off topic
err, re-reading the comment after some more context it actually fits better than I initially thought, just not including words about broad-ness gave me tunnel vision :D you can probably ignore everything ive been talking about
I think that tailoring comments on answers is important... auto comments are useful launching points for comments but editing them is something that should be considered.
@JesseBarnett No worries. If there's one thing that should be practiced in chat on interpersonal skills is to try to have decent discourse on the internet :D
@JesseBarnett We all make mistakes. I've made more than a fair amount on SE before. It takes some skill stop yourself halfway through an argument and change your position. I respect that.
@JesseBarnett That's the sort of thing that needs to be edited out. It just reads like jargon... honestly, most of that question seems a bit jargon heavy.
@Catija I don't really know how to fix the question. It seems like it's more about managing employees in the workplace than an actual interpersonal skill.
@sphennings I think it is quite good, they are not asking how to deal with the employee. They already specified they want to talk to them in person with the goal of coaching/improving the persons work, while mentioning that the behaviour is unacceptable.
I think re-wording it to a personal context and getting rid of the jargon might make the question more clear
@JesseBarnett It's not about the conversation it's about getting the employee to be productive. Success isn't "So we started a dialogue." it's "They're now productive again."
Conundrum
Currently in my last semester of undergraduate college in a fraternity. We are about to have elections for an interim position that will last right up until I graduate. This position serves two roles. The first is managing three people: a Historian, a Photographer, and a Webmaster. T...
@JesseBarnett Fraternities have elections, college seniors don't always have the ability to clearly ask a stack exchange question on their first shot.
@JesseBarnett The profile seems legit. low level activity on a bunch of exchanges. The profile also supports the narrative that they're in a fraternity.
@D.Hutchinson I think asking "What do I need to do to get Alice and Bob to be friends with me?" is off topic since it's about getting a particular person to do something. But "How do I make friends outside of work after college?" would be on topic though potentially too broad.
@sphennings hmm ... it's a little problematic trying to find what I had read on meta ... since there have been several discussions on there ...
but there was something about persuasion / trying to win friends / trying to pick up girls using PUA (pickup artist skills) were all off topic ...
I could be wrong, though - I'll look again at meta ...
"How do I make friends outside of work after college?" - I wouldn't have any issues with that at all, nor would I have issues with working on persuasive speech, to be honest ...
PUAs are different... they completely disrespect the person they're interacting with. That's an issue with the "Be nice" rules, not with the site scope.
I have browsed the site a bit, and I notice there are to date only very few questions which as much as go in this direction.
We get questions asking 'is she interested in me?' or 'how do I convince her to have sex with me even if she isn't interested?'.
The first isn't answerable because we...
Yesterday, Shog9 laid down some ground rules in chat for what definitely isn't on topic on this site (source), namely:
It is, most emphatically, NOT a site chartered to discuss any of the
following:
Human sexuality
Relationships
Neurolinguistic programming
How to win friends ...
@Catija does that fraternity question fit in the list of off-topic questions discussed by Shog? I don't see that your guidelines mentioned anything about persuasive speech / speech to try to win friends ...
Or is what you wrote in meta ... an "updated" memo?
I'm not sure if this is the right place to post, but a question of mine initially had several answers. Then some people aggressively downvoted the answers, apparently because they didn't like the question (as explained in comments), and now the answers are gone.
Is this the policy on this site? ...
I suggest you take a look at our sister site Interpersonal Skills. Please note that "what should I do?" would not be answerable. However, if there is anything in particular you wish to do, then you may ask for advice on how to do it. — NVZ2 mins ago
I agree with avoiding "authoritarian" comments. The closing system has much guidance built into it that aims to be fair but terse; there's no reason to duplicate that (badly) in rote commentary. Which to me suggests that if you can't improve on what the system is already saying, don't leave any comment at all - an awful lot of folks seem to comment because they can't resist saying something, even if it's unhelpful; saccharine nothings aren't making the site friendly either. If you have specific insight into how to improve the question, edit or comment... Else, vote and walk away. — Shog9 ♦6 hours ago
So... When there's a two-line questions lacking an enormous amount of detail...
Do I provide an avalance of questions requesting the necessary details?
Do I just press close-too broad, please add additional detail?
What it is saying that if a question is closed as too broad, the message saying that should be enough for the OP to understand, there is no need for a comment saying exactly that it is too broad. Especially if this is written authoritarially
@Tinkeringbell well, maybe, if it is written in a helpful manner, not just to berate OP
@NVZ For adding as an example of the type of questions you want to send post that comment on? Please do edit the question you posted that comment on into your meta question ;)
@JarkoDubbeldam Ugh... well, I'll try and stick to it anyway, see what happens :/ I'm only really hoping we don't end up with a bunch of spoiled kids that are expecting a participation trophy at every turn :/
And @NVZ your meta post on ELU is old. Please consider telling people that 'write the script of life for me' is off-topic here....
@Tinkeringbell well, that's one extreme. I think what shog is allusing to is that we are maybe too far on the other side. On one side you have the system being all "this question has been put on hold, hurr hurr hurr" and then you have a bunch of high-rep users whaling on you in the comments acting like you killed a baby or something
2
ok, maybe that's a bit exaggerated, but do you see why that might be demotivating?
Although I still don't really get the impression that's exactly what was meant :/
Anyways....
I just talked to the folks in our operations department and they are going to try extremely hard to get in touch with everyone this week and get shipments underway. Hang tight :) — Tim Post ♦Jan 17 at 16:03
They're really working on that to make it a 6-8 weeks thing again I believe... :P
Could you focus a bit more on answering the question that was asked, please? Which is 'how to interrupt'. Telling people to complain/get a new phone is an answer to 'how to get people to stop calling me'... If you want a good example of how to write an answer that both answers the question AND explains why it might also be a bad idea to take the wanted approach, here's an example: interpersonal.stackexchange.com/a/9487/1599 — Tinkeringbell42 secs ago
@AJ If I were to not think more about it, I'd just have said... This isn't an answer to the question of 'how to interrupt'. If you want to write a frame-challenge at least answer the question.
Which has IMO all the feedback and sugarcoating one could possibly ever need.
Although it isn't sandwiched... :/ Should we sandwich stuff more?
to be honest, I feel like there is a growing trend of "could you do X, please?" in comments which is always condescending when i read it. I would have stuck to one or two requests than a barrage of "do this, not that" in a single comment.
@NVZ So, please write my comment for me? Should I have split it up somewhere between the explanation that they weren't answering the question and providing the good example?
@Tinkeringbell why is it not an answer? What's missing? Apparently there is something that we look for in our answers which might not be apparent for our new users.
@Tinkeringbell Hey, thanks for the answer! Unfortunately, your answer doesn't seem to address the question asked, which was how to politely interrupt the caller. We expect answers to address what the OP asked; if you're going to throw a frame challenge in, please make sure to include an actual answer to the OP's question as well. [Here](link)'s an example of an answer that does this well. Also, we [require](whatever link) answers to suggest an interpersonal solution.
Saying to change your phone number isn't really an interpersonal solution. So please, if you can [edit] to include the necessary information, that's wonderful! But unfortunately, as this currently stands, it's not a good fit for our site. Sorry.
(I'm... not sure if that will fit into a single comment.)
@Mithrandir hahaha ;) I was wondering about asking a question about non-verbally communicating with fellow travellers, I'm still toying with the 'I don't want children' one... (I might just edit down the 'what I've already been doing' part (less research effort?) to make it more answereable?)... That was in one of those links to ELU meta's :
> Misdirection If you "think" you already know the answer, only share some of your research and wait to see what happens. Chances are users will reveal or unearth new information that will overturn your preconceptions. This is good!
I have had some issues that have convinced me that I will never try and have/raise kids.
This, however, leads to some serious problems when dating/having a relationship with people. I always make it a case to mention to people before starting to date them that I don't want children and that I d...
I have an answer telling me to lie :/ and I don't want to jump in already and say 'I don't wanna lie about being infertile, it's not nice to people who really are' :/
@Tinkeringbell My entire personality is around openness, and that route has stood me and my friends in very good stead - it may cause short term pain, but that is still less than years of life investment together being broken by the truth
> A Canadian psychologist is selling a video that teaches you how to test your dog’s IQ. Here’s how it works: If you spend $12.99 for the video, your dog is smarter than you.
> A Canadian psychologist is selling a video that teaches you how to test your dog’s IQ. Here’s how it works: If you spend $12.99 for the video, your dog is smarter than you.
although I have two notifications for pupular question badge
because I'm guessing the first notification is the old one on the other account as it got awarded, but now they're coming all over again, with new notifications
@Tinkeringbell Meh, I thought about writing up an answer, but that one was close enough to what I would have said. Just thought that highlighting why that answer works, in a way they hadn't mentioned, was worthwhile.
Free no longer needed comment flags on all of the comments underneath my question (I've either edited the stuff in or they're being chatty/answers in comments). Leave the 'don't write answers in comments' one though!
@Tinkeringbell One more bit of clarification. When you go on dates what is the planned "endgame" of that relationship? A quick fling, a forever partner, something you'll stick with as long as it is still good.
If I manage to rep cap today... (I'll need 23 upvotes on my question for that to happen though)... I'll pass 12k :P
interpersonal.stackexchange.com/questions/9513/….... I'm really tempted to tell them that I'd really like to keep my pills, since I know of a few broken condoms walking around.... :/ Oh well...
Hmm... what do y'all think of having comments that either a.) match one of my regex patterns or b.) are posted after the 'please don't answer in comments' comment is posted posted into this room so more people see them and they can get reviewed?
I'm looking for a meta on writing good answers to link to here, preferably one that focuses on telling that 'how' is an important part of an answer too..
I recently noticed a few things that made me worry about the community here. I basically started asking myself if there is one, and if there is, if it's not just a too small clique of users.
I noticed:
Some questions that are getting close- and downvotes also being upvoted and answered. This...
Conundrum
Currently in my last semester of undergraduate college in a fraternity. We are about to have elections for an interim position that will last right up until I graduate. This position serves two roles. The first is managing three people: a Historian, a Photographer, and a Webmaster. T...
Yesterday, Shog9 laid down some ground rules in chat for what definitely isn't on topic on this site (source), namely:
It is, most emphatically, NOT a site chartered to discuss any of the
following:
Human sexuality
Relationships
Neurolinguistic programming
How to win friends ...
