The Awkward Silence

12:15 AM

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Q: How to restore harmony between my family and my wife or is it necessary?

Background I married my wife 2 years ago after we dated for about a year. There has been ongoing conflicts between my wife and my family, which I will elaborate below. My wife is Korean, I am Taiwanese. We both live overseas. My mum lives in Taiwan. During the time of these conflicts below, I h...

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ArtOfCode

12:30 AM

O.o

Jesse Barnett

12:46 AM

@ArtOfCode etiquette, or the list of implied rules for maintaining politeness, becomes obsolete when there are actual rules set in place

pushing it to the extreme to prove my point: the etiquette for what you can bring into a test is not a valid question because the etiquette is to follow the rules, which leads to answers stating the rules, which is not IPS

ArtOfCode

@JesseBarnett there are no rules for that particular situation, though

Jesse Barnett

there is the law

law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/107

ArtOfCode

true, but the law only covers some of it

the law doesn't cover whether hotlinking is okay

realistically, it only covers whether rehosting is okay - legally, it's not, but people do it anyway

Jesse Barnett

the law is controversial and complicated around this area yes. But it still exists, and a discussion about whether hot-linking is okay or not should definitely be focused around the law, rather than the etiquette.

ArtOfCode

1:02 AM

that's kinda my point, though - there is no law there, so you can't focus a discussion around it

at best it's 50/50 law/etiquette, but I suspect heavier weighted to the right

Jesse Barnett

I am not a law student but even if you are correct that there is no law, etiquette is still obsolete here. An answer might say that throughout all the copyright and fair use laws, there is nothing that can be applied to hot-links so therefore it is okay to do so, or so therefore we can not really say. An answer about the etiquette that ignores the fact that this is a law-sensitive subject would not really work..

ArtOfCode

Sure, you can't realistically have an answer about etiquette that ignores law completely but neither can you have an answer that says "no law against it so it's okay". There's no law against yelling "I CAN'T HEAR YOU" when someone says something you don't like, either, but it's hardly in keeping with societal etiquette :)

there definitely is etiquette around hotlinking - it's more okay than it used to be, but there's still plenty of opinion around it

Jesse Barnett

..... the law around copyright is controversial so not everyone will agree that that there is no law that applies to it. So if you try and answer with this etiquette someone is going to say "but that is against the law", whether they are correct isn't the point. You should not have answered about etiquette unless it is obviously legal to do said action.

and because using a copyrighted image on a blog post is not obviously legal. the discussion belongs on law not IPS

speaking loudly is obviously legal, so there could potentially be an IPS question about it

Catija

1:19 AM

But the point of my comment there is that if the person who drew the comic gives permission, the law is irrelevant.

Jesse Barnett

i don't think irrelevant is the right word. If the person has given permission then the law and etiquette both become clear that is it fine to add the comic

another point is that its clear OP is concerned with what they are allowed to do, rather than how to be polite

I just really don't think you can answer this question without first acknowledging the law

I mean... just look at the answers that the question has - one is just a try this, but the other (better) answer makes it pretty clear that this should not be on IPS

Catija

@JesseBarnett Yeah, "allowed" isn't really in our scope.

Jesse Barnett

@Catija mhmm

Jesse Barnett

1:40 AM

"license, profit, commercial use, permission" with a long list of what you can and can't legally do seems to answer the question perfectly... and when the ideal answer has absolutely no IPS in it, I think that shows us a little something about the question

ArtOfCode

2:00 AM

I disagree. I think the ideal answer to that would be "get in touch with the author <insert possible wording>; do what they ask you to"

Catija

Eh, I'd go with "Look at website for guidance from author, if none present, contact author ... etc"

ArtOfCode

and your answer would be better than mine :)

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