The Awkward Silence - 2017-11-24 (page 1 of 3)

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Extroverted Main Man

1:15 AM

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Q: How to politely reject an invitation to dinner?

So my friend called me and asked me what I was doing later for TGiving. I replied that I would go with my family to dinner at an Uncles house. At the near end of the call he asked me if I would invite him to dinner. I replied yes out of no real thing to say or just being nice. What would i have s...

intention act-of-kindness

3 hours later…

4:30 AM

Good Morning!

1 hour later…

5:31 AM

Good Night!

6:08 AM

Good morning!

@Tinkeringbell what's up?

@AJ Not much.... on a train (again! :P ). It's a rainy day so I'm cold :/

Over there?

coding

@AJ Always fun :P

lol

6:49 AM

I just wrote another meta answer: interpersonal.meta.stackexchange.com/a/2166/1599

Here you are the Meta Queen. Hails

I think the way Magisch answered is okay for a lot of SE sites, but we need to be more strict. This site is sorta getting out of hand as far as answer quality is concerned...

agreed

@AJ Pffft :P I just want people to see it and let me know if they agree or not.

I know.

interpersonal.meta.stackexchange.com/users

You're 3rd.

6:51 AM

@AJ I know :P

But Kate is on my heels :P

Kate?

Oh wait, Kate is on my heels in the rep thing..

This is another overview :)

ok

I like being 3rd everywhere... nice and consistent :P

LOL

7:07 AM

Good morning

Afternoon!

@Magisch Nah, not for you :P I just bashed your answer on meta :P interpersonal.meta.stackexchange.com/a/2166/1599

@Tinkeringbell It's ok, I don't take it personally

:4132982 Hmm.... :P There goes my evil plan to ruin your morning... :/

@Tinkeringbell I think the cases you outline are where community member delete votes are supposed to be used

7:10 AM

@Magisch And flags, for now. Since some things are getting upvoted before we can cast down and delete votes...

Extroverted Main Man

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Q: Is there a way we can ask our neighbours to be more quiet?

Situation: We are living in an apartment, so obviously there are a lot of 'living' noises surrounding us. Even though we don't mind the regular noises (someone listening to his music a little louder, someone walking on heels ready to get going, kids playing), our neighbours are constantly fighti...

conflict-aversion neighbours

But you have a 'valid' point. I still think that if HNQ beat us to it, we should we able to flag and get things removed though.

I'll consider an edit, but I have to switch trains first.

@Tinkeringbell That we don't have enough high rep users to delete the answers quickly isn't a justification for misusing NAA flags imo

Especially since flags take hours if not days to resolve here

I still have flags pending from yesterday morning, for instance

@Magisch My flags usually are resolved quickly. But remember that the mods were all celebrating Thanksgiving yesterday..

I still have some pending from yesterday as well. But normally I go to bed and wake up and have almost all resolved

@Magisch Can we 'misuse' mod flags then?

I think, if we have too little users to delete stuff, we flag for a mod to do it?

And btw, I think that since we agree questions should honor the premise/ provide an IPS solution, answers that don't do that 'are not an answer' here

The one liners are vlq, and indeed the duplicates should be down/delete voted once we're good enough

7:25 AM

@Tinkeringbell Yeah sure

If I'm asking for an IPS solution and an answer doesn't contain one, it's textbook NAA

Thats like on SO if I ask for corrections on a java code, and someone writes a c# code doing the same thing and just posts that. Not addressing the question at all.

Well, that's the 2 categories I said should be NAA ;-)

I would file that under "blatantly not an answer"

If I ask about how to cut down a diagonally growing tree with a handsaw on handsaws.SE and the answer is "Just use a chainsaw" then thats not actually addressing my question

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A: How can I get my sister to stop asking me to help her smoke?

In my language, we have a saying that says: "O combinado não sai caro". Basically it says that an agreement is the best option for making the 2 parts happy. What I'm proposing: propose an agreement to her, that you will bring her some more cigarettes, but will lower the numbers as the days goes ...

How about that one?

It's not an answer!

I'm asking to not give her cigarettes and the answer is telling go give them anyway

Yet, my flag ended up 'disputed'

So, we do have a problem here IMO.... (Than let's just look at my answer as an appendix to yours)

Your flag ended up disputed because this one went through the LQ review queue here: interpersonal.stackexchange.com/review/low-quality-posts/4888

You'd have to talk to Kate Gregory and @NVZ about that

Yeah, I saw that.... But part of that is why I'm disappointed.

7:31 AM

Also went through the "First posts" queue: interpersonal.stackexchange.com/review/first-posts/4875

Yeah... that's why I'm getting less and less enthusiastic... There's decisions on meta and nobody is sticking to it

@Tinkeringbell Growing pains

at the risk of sounding like a broken record, thats part of why I think this site could use some more moderator involvement

there aren't enough people with privileges and the desire to use them yet, it seems

Meh... not convinced it is just that... I've seen some things that I absolutely don't like and I'm pretty convinced that isn't going to change anytime soon...

And before I start ranting further, let's change topic.

I finished watching Stranger Things yesterday, because it was so quiet here :P

was it actually any good?

@Magisch Hmmm... I'm not a good reviewer of movies ... but I liked it as a background noise

It managed a few good jumpscares

Promplty this pops up in the news feed: nu.nl/160493/video/…

Extroverted Main Man

7:39 AM

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Q: What can I do to make taking someones details less awkward for both of us?

So I am a software engineer at a very small medical technology company where we work mostly on developing new products. We have no store-front and only sell online but occasionally a particularly eccentric person will walk up to our office and ask to buy one of our devices. We don't want to turn ...

work-environment awkward-situations politeness

7:51 AM

@Tinkeringbell i don't see why you force answerers to "honour the premise of the question" too much. If the premise is "I want to marry the girl, but she keeps rejecting", then we don't have to honour that premise. Saying "stop doing that, because, etc.." is okay.

@Tinkeringbell and if you still disagree with the answer, downvote it.

@NVZ I downvoted all those answers, don't worry.

NAA flags should not be used lavishly.

We have a meta saying that answers should honor the premise of a question.... I want to marry this girl but she keeps rejecting is off-topic here anyway

And if the OP doesn't want to get their sister cigarettes, an answer stating bring 5 ,4, 3, isn't an answer

Answer seem to say 'your sister is okay for smoking'

@NVZ Giving different advice is fine but you have to address the premise of the question first

That's not what answers are for, arguing that the sister is allowed to smoke. The OP knows that, but they just don't want to have a part in it...

Telling them to do so anyways isn't an answer.

We didn't get a controversial post notice for nothing

It is exactly to counteract answers like that...

It's a pretty desperate attempt to increase answer quality here, IMO.

It means we have a serious problem

7:56 AM

So what do we do about it?

I don't see anything we can do besides delete vote more and get more people to downvote and delete vote

@Magisch I'm back to raising mod flags then....

If people don't want to NAA an answer that's NAA according to our metas...

There's not much I can do other than bother a moderator with it

A community should be able to such things, a moderator is supposed to be a human exception handler... not someone that's supposed to herd a bunch of toddlers...

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@Tinkeringbell Yeah, of course. But our community is small and not that tightly woven yet

Getting people used to doing things and building a voting culture takes time

@Magisch time that I'm getting less and less willing to put in here....

@Tinkeringbell Were you expecting things to move faster?

@Magisch Not necessarily......

But if things keep going like this, I won't be around much longer, that I can tell you.

8:06 AM

On the topic of delete votes: I kicked a whole bunch of blatantly off topic questions or abandoned questions with a delete vote (6 today). They need to be deleted by hand since upvoted answers

@Tinkeringbell I think we have a decent chance of making it work, but it needs work, like all things

Jarko Dubbeldam

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Q: How can we ask neighbours to be more quiet without escalating?

We are living in an apartment, so obviously there are a lot of 'living' noises surrounding us. Even though we don't mind the regular noises (someone listening to his music a little louder, someone walking on heels ready to get going, kids playing), our neighbours are constantly fighting verbally....

conflict-aversion netherlands neighbours

I don't think there is a way to do this without either escalating or really pissing them off

their noise is generated because they're fighting, that makes it very unlikely that mid-fight, they'll realise "we shouldn't be fighting, the neighbour doesn't like that".

Furthermore, asking them to just stop fighting... won't do any good either.

@Tinkeringbell would that be challenging the question or not?

@JarkoDubbeldam I tried my hand at an answer for that

It did work for that old married couple I had problems with when I still lived with my parents

interpersonal.stackexchange.com/questions/7089/… there are like 3 borderline non-answers on there

Jarko Dubbeldam

you make a good point

As long as they don't think you are causing the problems resulting from that (You're just warning them) they might not escalate with you

And appealing to people's self interest mostly works better then appealing to their care for your own wellbeeing and comfort.

Jarko Dubbeldam

lol definitely

especially in apartment buildings

nobody cares about their neighbors

8:20 AM

people do care about being arrested for repeated noise complaints or fined by their landlord, though

8:36 AM

So here's a conundrum: What about comments that are partial answers that would get downvoted and / or are incomplete / insufficiently IPS related and get made as comments instead by people trying to be helpful anyways?

It feels like people accept that practice

Jarko Dubbeldam

8:54 AM

burn it with fire

@Magisch I flagged a lot of those as no longer needed and they are getting removed just fine

If you really want to go there, see https://interpersonal.meta.stackexchange.com/a/2162/1599 and https://rpg.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3318/how-do-we-handle-a-desire-to-challenge-the-frame-of-a-question/3319#3319

Most important point:

> Provide your critique as part of an otherwise legitimate answer.

Introverted Meta Man.

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Q: Should we use chat to give non-IPS solution, instead using comment?

Some question might have optimal/best solution with non-IPS approach. Answer is not the place to post non-IPS solution (if the answer solely suggest non-IPS solution). However, some might want to help with non-IPS approach. After the policy to not allow non-IPS answer is implemented, I've notic...

discussion answers comments

Anyone else think that 'How can I get X to do Y' questions are a bit problematic?

@Tinkeringbell Depends on the framing, I think

I think "how can I get my neighbours to be less noisy" is fine and "how to get this girl to go out with me" is not

If the frame allows for a common IPS solution and is a common difficult social situation I think its fine

@Magisch Shouldn't the first be 'how can I ASK my neighbors to be less noisy?

Because we can't give you mind control and make them less noisy

You can ask, and persuasion might also be a valid interpersonal skill

but mind control isn't

9:08 AM

@Tinkeringbell I think that's the angle

I don't think these questions are asking about mind control. I think it's more of a "How can I ask my neighbours to be less noisy in a way that won't backfire and is likely to succeed"

@Magisch Hmm...

Came from me rethinking about that smoking question from yesterday.

Most people should be aware that random strangers on the internet can't ensure you get what you want 100% of the time

Yeah viewing it from that angle that smoking question has a bit of a problem statement problem

I was thinking that maybe if we focused such things a little more on the IPS side by having people ask 'how can I make her understand I am not going to get her cigarettes, and have her stop asking me'....

That would have been better..

sounds good

Maybe a meta about that is in order

@Magisch I think so... Because I'm not wanting to turn that one into a chameleon question, and editing it now will invalidate a lot of answers...

9:10 AM

More broadly, about rephrasing questions to sound less like someone expects a surefire 100% way of controlling other people'S actions and more for likely to succeed tactics

(not that they are that good in the first place, but it's not done)

will you write it or should I give it a go?

@Magisch Feel free to write one (lemme know what you do so we're not doing the same thing twice again, like yesterday :P )

That means you go! :P

ok

I'll answer it ;)

9:19 AM

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Q: Do we need to re-write "How can I get X to do Y" questions?

This was primarily spurred by yesterdays question of: How can I get my sister to stop asking me to help her smoke? I think the title (and problem statement) is problematic here, for two reasons: It is asking about a way to compel an action from someone. Not to talk to them about it, not to co...

discussion asking-questions question-titles

@Magisch I saw, I was stalking the 'newest' tab :P

Why didn't you write my name with a capital T? :P

@NVZ How is interpersonal.stackexchange.com/review/low-quality-posts/4889 not NAA for you?

I saw your review on it and I'm curious of the reasoning

I like the meta :)

Now, I'll spend my afternoon writing a good and comprehensive answer ;-)

Introverted Meta Man.

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Q: Do we need to re-write "How can I get X to do Y" questions?

This was primarily spurred by yesterdays question of: How can I get my sister to stop asking me to help her smoke? I think the title (and problem statement) is problematic here, for two reasons: It is asking about a way to compel an action from someone. Not to talk to them about it, not to co...

discussion asking-questions question-titles

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A: How can I politely tell a family who invited me for dinner that I'm still hungry?

I would politely bring something self made and eat it there in addition. I guess, there will be no question because this behavior is self-explaining. If someone asks, you say that you wanted to be polite and not steal their spare food.

Can you believe this answer?

I'd politely bring some food and I'd say I am being polite? WTH?

9:37 AM

interpersonal.stackexchange.com/questions/7089/… has serious answer troubles anyway...

@Tinkeringbell That's what I said above

For example: interpersonal.stackexchange.com/a/7110/1599 is bringing food yourself an answer to the question of 'how can I politely TELL a family'? No.

yet it has 12 upvotes

This one is just as bad: interpersonal.stackexchange.com/a/7107/1599

This one is offering an alternative solution, but not as part of an otherwise legitimate answer: interpersonal.stackexchange.com/a/7104/1599

@Mithrandir o/

Hi

'sup?

9:50 AM

Kinda tired. Just woke up from a nap after being awake all night.

@Tinkeringbell IMO, the negative ones really don't deserve to be stay up.

And bringing extra food is really not an IPS solution.

@AJ I already cast delete votes on the negative ones... but these are still 'positive'.... So I left comments, downvotes and a flag for NAA for one of them, because it's basically a comment on another post/other posts.... and a bad one at that

Extroverted Main Man

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Q: How do I get my parents to stop treating me like a child at 24

I'm 24 years old, have my own career, my own car but I live with my parents and my 2 younger brothers. I live my life quite independently. One of the problems I constantly face from my parents is them treating me like a child by constantly asking me where I'm going when I'm heading out. When I a...

Mithrandir24601

@AJ Just because an answer is wrong doesn't mean that it should be deleted - that's the point of downvoting

@Mithrandir24601 Yeah, but what is your definition of wrong? Just curious, because we got a load of metas saying 'answers that don't honor the premise, that don't answer the question, that don't offer an IPS solution, that aren't properly backed up, that are a one-liner' should be deleted

I can imagine an answer being 'wrong' because it suggests a rude sentence to say for a question about polite things..

Mithrandir24601

10:00 AM

@Tinkeringbell An ultra-simplistic idea is that someone asks "what is 2+2?" the right answer (obviously 4) gets upvoted, while a wrong answer (say "5") just gets downvoted, while NAA would be something like "mouse"

@Tinkeringbell So in this case, in my view, it should get downvoted by those who believe it's wrong and upvoted by those who believe it's right, so (adding in a few assumptions) if it has a negative score it's wrong, while if it's positive, it's right and most people actually take it to be polite, not rude

It's still an IPS solution, just a bad IPS 'solution'

@Mithrandir24601 But in this case #1 of your message applies

How do I talk to my Sister about X?

"Change your behavior instead" is like answering "Mouse" to "What is 2+2"

"Shout at her until she cries" would be "5" as Answer to "What is 2+2" in your comparison

Mithrandir24601

@Magisch But then I'd make the argument that doing anything you haven't already tried is at least very, very close to if not the same as "change your behaviour"

@Mithrandir24601 OP is setting the strict limit that he'll not aid her smoking

Answers need to respect that.

Otherwise that would be like me answering "Use this reactjs script instead" to "How do I make a file in C?"

Opinions on this? : interpersonal.stackexchange.com/questions/7193/…

Looks to broad to me as of now and the one answer isn't helping, also attracting comments as answers

@Magisch There's enough comments requesting further clarification/details to allow that one to be closed.

Mithrandir24601

10:16 AM

@Magisch So a NAA would be 'aid her smoking'... I'm slightly confused now, as I was talking about a different question... In the question I was talking about a NAA would be e.g. don't talk to them again - I agree that bringing your own food is indirect and I believe impolite. But then, I may be very, very wrong and the question doesn't specify 'directly tell'

@Mithrandir24601 The title to that question ask 'How can I tell'.... I'll take a look at the body to see if it's really that unclear.

Mithrandir24601

(and so, I'd downvote as a 'bad answer' but not vote/flag for deletion as it's still an 'answer', even if a bad one)

@Tinkeringbell It's not at all unclear, it's just that 'talk' doesn't just have to mean 'use words and only words'

for instance, there was a comment "I think it is rude to bring your own food to a dinner that you were invited to" - I've done this before (mentioned beforehand that I could make something to bring along) and the people inviting me were very happy, so it wasn't remotely rude

@Mithrandir24601 That comment is bad anyways. Not suggesting improvement/requesting clarification

interpersonal.stackexchange.com/a/7110/1599 I hope we're talking this answer?

> Offer to bring part of the meal. Maybe not the “main course” but just a salad, soup or dessert. This way you can make sure that there is enough food and if they can’t afford food you are helping them as well.

Mithrandir24601

@Tinkeringbell That's a good answer, but is quite close to this one, which is a not-so-good answer. Doesn't make it NAA though

that's the 'answer'. There's no explanation, no back up (not even reasoning) as to why this would TELL the host that they are providing too little food.

Mithrandir24601

10:24 AM

@Tinkeringbell It's an indirect attempt at 'telling', even if a bad one

@Mithrandir24601 That one is actually a little better than the one I linked, I admit that. It includes an entire sentence (sarcasm) saying 'there's no way to do this politely'... It's okay to tell people something like 'you don't tell them politely'... but IMO this should always be part of an otherwise legitimate answer: this is how you could tell politely, this is how that could backfire, this is a less polite/less interpersonal solution but here's how that would probably work better...

I think that one falls into 'we shouldn't flag it, just down and delete vote'. Which is what I did.

Mithrandir24601

@Tinkeringbell I'd argue that a delete vote is just the same as a flag in terms of why you'd do it (although yeah, definitely downvote), but I've got to go now :/

@Mithrandir24601 Hmm... I'd say not, I'd be happy to pick up that discussion later! See ya!

IMHO incomplete answers are still answers, downvote them to showcase they are bad answers/incomplete, but don't delete them exactly to show this or a newcomer willing to learn the site won't be able to see exemple of bad answers

Jarko Dubbeldam

@Tensibai this only works if they are consistently downvoted. Not if they sit at +13/-3

10:37 AM

@Tensibai So, you're willing to argue that answers like this are incomplete?

Yep, it lacks explanation but give an actionable method

more or less same level as "try this <bunch of code>" on SO

@JarkoDubbeldam if they sit at +13/-3 and worth -10/+3, there's an indication site policy has to be publicized more I think

@Tinkeringbell Yep, your comment under it expose the problem: " It does in no way make sure the family gets the message of 'I'm still hungry'" => which I had write in the form "Can you edit your answer to explain how this can help telling the family the OP is still hungry ?"

@Tensibai Problem with that is like 5 people are active on meta

(to ask the author to address a missing point, etc)

@Magisch I absolutely understand that, it's a hard part when it comes to change the community behavior, publicizing the policy could be leaving a comment under answers linking to a meta post, so others could inform themselve before voting

@Magisch what do you think of my title? interpersonal.stackexchange.com/questions/7193/…

(since it sortof overwrites your edit)

@Tinkeringbell fine I guess

more specific, which is good

10:48 AM

interpersonal.stackexchange.com/a/7196/1599.... Hmmm... again, one of those answers...

Isn't this rude: interpersonal.stackexchange.com/questions/7193/… ?

Jarko Dubbeldam

Gibberish falls under rude/abusive

@Tinkeringbell flagged as such

@Tinkeringbell nice comment under it

@JarkoDubbeldam Meh, I was thinking more along the lines of 'somebody takes an effort to provide you with an answer and instead of suggesting an improvement I'll just bash em'

@Tensibai Hope it helps..

Jarko Dubbeldam

eh, part of it was gibberish, which is enough in itself

@Tensibai Apparently not, it's at 2/2 right now! :/

I threw another edit at the question...

(not very good, I know, but I hope the semantics help)

1 hour later…

12:12 PM

Nice.. there's a pop up telling me I need to vote on questions instead of answers... Uhmm no, not now.

@Tinkeringbell You gotta vote on questions like answers. They need your love too. :P

@AJ Yeah, but do they deserve my wrath?

A fairy told me that Tinkeringbell is probably not upvoting much at the moment

@Tinkeringbell Well, bad ones deserve your wrath, and good ones deserve love.

@Magisch I need a question I can answer, I'm losing to much rep.

@AJ Yeah, I'll downvote the ones I'm closing :P

I haven't seen a very, very good one in a while.. :/

12:14 PM

@Tinkeringbell I haven't capped yesterday either there weren't enough questions I would have been able to add anything useful to

I am planning to ask a question again soon (on the site)

@Termatinator ;) Doesn't mean that will be answerable for me :P

That reminds me I haven't voted for a while. Well, I am gonna use 120 votes in upcoming 3 days from today.

that depends on the question @Tinkeringbell

@AJ No.. don't do that... use votes for things that deserve them, not just because you want to use them.

12:16 PM

@Tinkeringbell Maybe you can play

@Tinkeringbell oh wait... I misread your comment XD

user image

From a image someone posted in the tavern

the pun opportunity was too good to pass up

@Tinkeringbell Well, I didn't say I will only upvote. I'd use both up and down votes depending on the post.

@Magisch Hmmm. It's a bit too rectangular for an avatar :(

@Magisch latest XKCD

12:19 PM

I like it :)

@AJ Hmm... but what about the mediocre stuff?

I could ask the question here, but I would rather ask it on the site

@Tinkeringbell Skip.

But from M&TV meta when it was in Beta.

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Q: Please remember to vote

Voting on Stack Exchange sites does a number of things. It rewards the content that we like to see when we upvote. It also signals trust, the more someone is upvoted, the more powers (muahahahahahaha!) on the stackexchange site they get. If we want this site to be successful, those of us that us...

@Termatinator No spoilers :P

Note to self: a nap does not mean sleep from 7AM to noon.

@Mithrandir nor 3 PM to 12 AM. :P

12:22 PM

@Mithrandir I'm sorta jealous you don't have school or work

;)

I was kinda out and working the entire night though, so a small nap is justified....

Yesterday/today/tomorrow were/are/going to be crazy

Please remember to vote

I'm someone who stays up as long as possible

Give me a laptop and high-speed internet and I shall ~~move the Earth~~ stay up.

@AJ what is your record of not sleeping (how many hours)

12:31 PM

Joke reference

@Termatinator 20 hours up, but I slept whole day on the next day.

mine is about 2 days

How come you didn't sleep for 2 days?

Jarko Dubbeldam

2 days up = skipping 1 night

A friend (not friends anymore due to parents fighting) was at my home, kinda helps staying up

I can stay up a day and a night, but then I really have to sleep..

12:34 PM

world record is about 11 days (I think)

@Termatinator let's see. Woke up at 8AM one day, stayed awake the whole night, and the whole day, then stayed up to midnight

At age 12

Jarko Dubbeldam

Longest I stayed up was till like 7am the day after

Last night I was painting and taping and cleaning etc the whole night through. Come 7 and I'm done for

Jarko Dubbeldam

oh actually not

till noon the day after

then I collapsed and slept from noon till 8 pm, ate, and slept from 9pm to 9am

>.>

@JarkoDubbeldam I never collapsed, I wonder what it would take with me

Jarko Dubbeldam

12:37 PM

Well, collapsed, I came home and felt like sleeping

Was after a LAN party

from noon till noon

@JarkoDubbeldam I must always force myself to go to bed

Jarko Dubbeldam

Before that, my record was 7am after a movie night with friends. Came home at 6, decided to stay awake and game a bit. Then my brother and sister woke to go to school and I realised I was very tired

@JarkoDubbeldam 6am?

Jarko Dubbeldam

ye

maybe 5:30

idk long time ago

so a movie night of 23 hours?

Jarko Dubbeldam

12:43 PM

nah

like 19:00 - 5:00 movie night. 5:00- 6:00 going home 6:00-7:00 gaming a bit

longest movie night we did was from 10am till 10pm.

@Mithrandir I'm pretty sure I asked this before but how come you're like 15 but you talk and write with the proficiency of someone at least 25 with a college degree?

Jarko Dubbeldam

Avengers marathon, watching all avenger related movies before watching the Avengers in cinema

@JarkoDubbeldam then it was 7pm

oh no wait, misread

I am good with misreading today...

interpersonal.stackexchange.com/a/7200/1599 any thoughts? Is it NAA? :P

~~takes the sword out~~ clicks the down arrow and flag link. :P

12:51 PM

@AJ :( I just spent over an hour on that one! :P...

@Magisch o_o

Simple answer: I'm a bibliophile

@Mithrandir I agree, you sound way to 'adult' :P 15-year olds don't know that word :P

@Tinkeringbell How many times are you gonna tell that you're 26 years old? Yes, we know it. :P

This one does ;P

@AJ Thought it might be relevant here :P

12:52 PM

Vulnerable people? Well, less so now (I think)

As long as I'm not 30 years old, I'll be proudly announcing my age at every opportunity ! :P

@Jolenealaska Huh?

LOL

starred

I missed it, Tinkerbell

@Tinkeringbell Heh

@Jolenealaska I'm sorry... I still don't get it ;) What are we talking about? A starred message? Which one?

12:54 PM

When I was 15 I was doing "Database developer" work for WoW private servers

developer is in quotations because I mainly did data entry into databases using heidisql

@Tinkeringbell don't be dense :)

@Jolenealaska I'm trying not to be :P But if people don't do 'reply to this message', I will be having a very hard time following a chat :P

Just my weird things ;)

Yup

(that's one of Jef's)

when I was 15... I was at a school for people with a developmental disorder

it was kinda crazy there

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