The Loop

toscho

1:28 AM

Be careful what you ask for.

userabuser

worth an upvote

Rarst

gotta love higher powers

kaiser

1:54 AM

Just read on some random, stumbled upon twitter account that people who wear google glass are glassholes. lesson learned.

userabuser

hahaha

Rarst

at first they laugh at you...

userabuser

@kaiser really? It should...

kaiser

@userabuser tells me it can't because it gets recognized as extension (script from thomas linked above) and I have to load it via extensions page - which isn't possible

not even when i try to use it like a bookmarklet from a local source

toscho

kaiser

2:08 AM

I like how @userabuser named one rectangle. and then there's where I'd want to live: south west vaginia.

userabuser

@kaiser *home of the free and... politically oppressed *

@kaiser lol!

toscho

aua

kaiser

First I thought that's the map of Romania, but then I wondered about that much Danube around it.

hahaha

2:25 AM

hehe

sour puss

kaiser

I love the fact that you guys named on city Darwin.

userabuser

and his Theory of Bullshit

kaiser

@userabuser damn! that's fucking accurate! I'd double each cliche... yeah, it's no cliche, but anyway.

UK > Horror Cuisine :D

userabuser

I thought it was a pretty close assessment

UK == chips and chips and bad teeth

kaiser

2:30 AM

not just close... 101% fitting

@userabuser and sun burn.

and warm beer

urgh, yes.

horrible

a crime

should probably just rub their island off the global map

kaiser

2:32 AM

I still wonder why the Germans and the English don't like each other. The English royals are Germans. Both constantly got sun burn. Both constantly underestimate alcohol and overestimate their walking abilities later on. And both love to line up for anything.

And neither one can ski.

userabuser

lol

toscho

I don’t line up. But when I do, I line up other people.

kaiser

btw, how did you survive your country that long? don't get me wrong, I wonder about every Australian who survives Australia. I guess even your Koalas are poison spitting, right?

userabuser

In Australia, you learn how to fight kangaroos and wrestle crocodiles in kindergarten. So we are ok.

kaiser

And resistant against any sort of poison in general I assume.

But no one can beat the toughness of Colombians:

►

userabuser

2:37 AM

they have coca leaves for cuts etc

kaiser

And donkeys to learn that thing with the girls.

switching topics: pinterest flat icon set ... or however they call those collections.

Rarst

why the heck is everyone awake?

bungeshea

5:05 AM

@kaiser lol, nothing for Tasmania

Stack Exchange

5:57 AM

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Q: Rename the advanced-custom-fields tag?

I've been browsing topics on Advanced Custom Fields, and I notice the tag does not follow the trend of prefixing plugin-, as other plugins tags have done. Should we rename advanced-custom-fields to plugin-advanced-custom-fields?

kaiser

11:49 AM

WP really got this hook: 'pre-plupload-upload-ui'

Sisir

I guess I got my first auto upgrader failure wpkitten.com

Stack Exchange

12:02 PM

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Q: New Tag: Canonical

I just added a new tag: The purpose is (hopefully) self-explanatory: to make it easier to find "canonical" questions/answers when linking duplicates or pointing users to best-practice/consensus answers. I've added a few that I deal with frequently; please add to the list. I'm hoping this tag w...

discussion

Chip Bennett

@Sisir what happened? What was the failure?

kaiser

Composer @ WPCamp Boston /Cc Andrey

Chip Bennett

So I'm starting to think that I do need to address customization of the main loop, in this canonical question/answer:

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Q: How to fix pagination for custom query loops?

I have added a custom/secondary query to a template file/custom page template; how can I make WordPress use my custom query for pagination, instead of using the main query loop's pagination? Note: this question only applies to custom/secondary query loops, and not to modification of the main que...

loop pagination query canonical

Rarst

@kaiser I know :) John was going to talk Composer at that one, but he switched to let other guy have topic

Tom J Nowell

12:19 PM

@Rarst I'm going to try experimenting with WP CLI to setup the sub dir and do the install on composer install

Rarst

I am going to have a tea. I went to sleep 6:20 this morning :)

kaiser

One fine Andrey has been a brave guy. Go grab some tea.

Johannes Pille

Side question regarding @toscho's Adopt-A-Tag-Initiative:

Mostly it's quite obvious, whether a question is properly tagged or not. Once in a while, a question however, does not appear in scope of a certain tag, while an answer, possibly the accepted solution does put it in scope.

It feels right to leave the tag in place then. But how'd you handle it?

I haven't found this topic addressed on our meta, didn't check SO.meta, so far.

This for instance was initially a shopping question. The answer introduces the OP to CPTs. An idea he embraces indeed. Now what?

kaiser

12:36 PM

I do it the exact same way. Sometimes maybe rewrite the question a bit to narrow it down. If this won't work: Close vote.

@JohannesPille I edited the tags. Always remove plugin-recommendation (or close vote), plugin and replace custom-fields with post-meta. But that's just what I do.

Johannes Pille

Totally second removing plugin-recommendation and/or close voting. Would have done that, naturally.

So far it's 2 out of 2 people agreeing that a good answer saves a question and is a reason for an otherwise wrong tag, if you'd go by the question only. You feel this is worth an additional meta question, @kaiser?

kaiser

Please head over to DeutschPress and explain me that in German. I'm not sure I get it.

Rarst

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Tweeted by envato on October 31, 2013 at 4:50 AM

that didn't read as dig on WP at all... :)

kaiser

12:51 PM

Haloween costumes for programmers...

Rarst

lol

kaiser

Cascading StyleSheet... :)

Tictail online stores. Seems like an easy option. Question I didn't get around: Can I host it myself?

Chip Bennett

Okay, I added content for modifying the main loop. Edits welcome.

Stephen Harris

@JohannesPille I would agree with that approach. Potentially edit the question to improve it, but without changing original meaning.

kaiser

1:07 PM

@StephenHarris Even changing original meaning (by narrowing it down - not shifting focus by 180°) is ok. Questions and answers "belong" the community - Community Edits.

Tom J Nowell

1:26 PM

@Rarst of note, the home logo has a ghost.io url, they couldnt get those bits sorted

kaiser

0

Q: How to respond with WP_Ajax_Response();

I'm using WP_Ajax_Response(); to respond to some ajax and output it to a div, everything works great. But how exactly do I respond if I want to output some php in to a div? A wordpress loop for example. I assume can't just do $response = include 'loopHandle.php'; and then $("body.blog #content"...

jquery ajax

This brings up the SO & WP problem again. We can't close questions as duplicates across sites. OP states that the guy on SO had the same problem and that it solved it...

Chip Bennett

@kaiser any input here?

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Q: New Tag: Canonical

I just added a new tag: <canonical> The purpose is (hopefully) self-explanatory: to make it easier to find "canonical" questions/answers when linking duplicates or pointing users to best-practice/consensus answers. I've added a few that I deal with frequently; please add to the list. I'm hoping...

discussion

I think it was you who had proposed similar "needs improvement" type meta-tags

kaiser

Yeah. But not sure on canonical ... at least not of its use and real, final purpose (what it ends up being)

Stephen Harris

@kaiser Found another site doing what the other was doing: themeforest.net/item/…

Chip Bennett

@kaiser I'm fine with changing the name; that's bikeshed territory for me. I'm more concerned with the utility of the tag.

Stephen Harris

1:37 PM

@kaiser mmm... true. But I guess it comes down to case-by-case judgement on when an edit is "too far"

Chip Bennett

@StephenHarris think of WPSE as a knowledge base more than a support forum, and the paradigm shifts

Stephen Harris

@ChipBennett indeed, but I guess my hesitation to answer questions that are being asked (within reason/scope), not one's we'd like to be asked. But yeah, I take your point.

Chip Bennett

@StephenHarris there is a balance between too broad and too localized, within the defined scope. Any time a question or answer can be edited to fit better within those bounds, the site benefits.

Stephen Harris

@ChipBennett agreed.

Chip Bennett

I don't see it as having much to do with making the questions more like ones we want to answer, so much as it has to do with making fit SE conventions.

I'm starting on my tag cleanup. Please help by casting supporting close votes.

(for pagination-related questions)

kaiser

1:53 PM

@StephenHarris could you change your main site to WPSE? currently it points to crypto.SE which makes it hard to look up your answers when I search some for duplicate queue :)

Stephen Harris

@kaiser it does ? :/

kaiser

yep

Stephen Harris

@kaiser Done. Not sure why that ever changed...

kaiser

Fine. Not sure what you tried to hack to register there...

Stephen Harris

@kaiser I built a php implementation of AES (CBC) once. Also answered a few questions

GhostToast

2:12 PM

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Q: Linux app in C with udev library.

i want read driver information with libudev.h: with i plug a pendrive: dmesg [ 7676.243994] scsi 7:0:0:0: Direct-Access Lexar USB Flash Drive 1100 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS [ 7676.248359] sd 7:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0 [ 7676.256733] sd 7:0:0:0: [sdb] 7831552 512-byte logical blo...

linux

Johannes Pille

How many dupes of a single issue can a single person find, @Chip?

Holy apple fudge.

GhostToast

Dupemon - Gotta Catch 'Em All!

Chip Bennett

@JohannesPille we get at least one of those questions, every day

It's why I harp on it so much

toscho

Please don’t close questions with accepted answers as duplicates.

kaiser

@ChipBennett I really count on you that I don't have to check every close vote...

Chip Bennett

2:19 PM

@toscho why not?

not trying to be argumentative. I am trying to understand what value such questions/answers add to the site.

And not being willing to close questions with accepted answers as duplicates merely encourages/facilitates more duplicate questions being asked and answered

toscho

because every problem is specific. if there is an answer solving that specific problem, that’s better than a generic solution.

Chip Bennett

@toscho in this case (pagination): that's almost never true.

toscho

that’s why I read the answers carefully on every question :)

Chip Bennett

If the only thing that changes is the set of parameters passed to the custom query (or pre_get_posts), then the question is duplicate, and the variation too localized

Johannes Pille

I got to side with Chip here. Despite the obvious trust that I wouldn't have to check, I pretty much did check every question.

And they are, by what I understand to be the definition of a duplicate, duplicates.

Chip Bennett

2:25 PM

@JohannesPille most of the time, the asker never bothers to search the site for related questions - or searches, but says, "that didn't solve my specific variation"

Johannes Pille

Chip clearly found the question with the most thorough answer. An answer which explains the problem and cause in detail.

Chip Bennett

@JohannesPille that's why I made that answer: to cover in thorough detail the scope of the problem, and the means to resolve it.

Johannes Pille

So, bottom-line in my reasoning is this: If I was to search for a solution, I'd want to find that very answer. And if those with answers of lesser quality got closed and hence pointed me in the right direction, I'd want them to be.

My 2 cents.

Chip Bennett

And a related issue is that, instead of close-voting as duplicate, or pointing the asker to the definitive answer, we still get members answering those questions, thereby contributing to the mess instead of trying to solve the mess.

Johannes Pille

Another valid point.

You don't see that reasoning, @toscho?

toscho

2:30 PM

The problem with not exact duplicates is: when a new member has the same specific problem as the closed question, and he cannot understand the generic solution, the specific solution is probably more useful.

kaiser

What I don't completely see here is the users/searcher perspective. People often aren't aware to have that single well formatted, eloquently formulated questions. Therefore they might read Chips answer and think "There's a minor difference, so it doesn't apply to my problem".

Chip Bennett

@toscho does too localized no longer have meaning? We are a question and answer site, not a support forum.

toscho

there is always a gray area

Chip Bennett

So, if the definitive answer uses 'cat', but a user wants to modify 'tag', that's a valid variation that warrants its own question/answer, according to SE conventions?

toscho

depends on the asker. if it solves her/his specific problem, it is a duplicate

20 similar specific questions with good answers are better than one generic question with a generic answer

Blog - Stack Exchange: Dr. Strangedupe: Or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying And Love Duplication

Jeff Atwood on November 15, 2010

As Stack Overflow grows — or any other Q&A site in the Stack Exchange network, really — there’s a natural pressure to discover and link duplicate questions. The more questions you have, the higher the possibility a given new question isn’t in fact a new question, but a duplicate of an older existing question. Because of this, we’ve continually enhanced the tools for finding, linking, and merging duplicate questions:

Handling Duplicate Questions Linking Duplicate Questions Improved Question Merging …

Chip Bennett

2:38 PM

@toscho I'm asking where to draw the line. "Depends on the asker" is not a valid argument, IMHO. It depends on defined SE conventions.

toscho

We have to figure that out and judge case by case. :)

anu

Damn messy humans

Chip Bennett

I disagree. Pagination issues arise from manipulating the query incorrectly, or not understanding why WordPress doesn't/can't account for a secondary query object for pagination.

Questions about how to modify the query are separate.

toscho

So your canonical Q&A is perfect, and everyone who reads that will be able to solve her or his specific problem?

GhostToast

maybe we need to form a blog of wp tutorials. . . .

Rarst

2:46 PM

good luuuuuck with that:D

GhostToast

we'll be rich off the 99 cents a month in ad revenue!

or pence for you european blokes

Johannes Pille

Most of Europe's got "cents" as well. "Pence" are used on that one island in the Atlantic that more often than not isn't even certain whether they should call themselves European...

anu

European for some things, not European for others. Best of both worlds

:)

Chip Bennett

@toscho if the problem is pagination due to a custom query, then yes. And if it lacks some detail, it can be edited to include that detail.

If the question is how to formulate a custom query, then that question is a separate question, and not a matter of pagination of custom query loops.

toscho

3:21 PM

@ChipBennett OK. Just don’t vote to close question with accepted answers, and look very carefully at the other questions.

Howdy_McGee

I'm trying to answer a question that currently has no answers. I've come up with a solution that doesn't answer all the posts questions. Do I post this as an answer or since it doesn't meet all the requirements, keep it until all the questions are met?

GhostToast

I would think any free help is appreciated as long as it's not so imcomplete as to simply point to a plugin

toscho

@Howdy_McGee if the question is too broad, it is okay to edit or to close it.

What question is that?

Howdy_McGee

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Q: Display post links under month in paginated archive

I'd like to create an archive that lists posts under a month header. The months would just be plain text and the post titles, obviously, would link to the posts themselves! So: October 2013 Post title 1 Post title 2 September 2013 Post title 1 Post title 2 August 2013 Post title 1 Pos...

pagination archives date-time

its an old question, i'm just going back to try and answer things that don't have answers

I have it partially working but i don't know if its advised to post partial answers.

kaiser

Haven't you just asked basically the same question? Did you delete it and add this one instead? — kaiser 9 mins ago

20 Questions and accounts on 10 sites. Still doesn't know that there's [edit]...

Plugin WP LESS Error: parse error: failed at (~".span@{index}") { .span(@index); }` for a bootstrap file... grrrr. how to fix that now? 8/

Rarst

3:38 PM

check LESS compat requirements, if it needs newer version than lessphp does - you are screwed. one of the reasons I moved away from that.

kaiser

Yeah, me too. But I got one site still running on it...

Point is that this thing as well runs on bootstrap 2.x and locally it works fine. I assume it's just a problem that came with parsing after WP_Less update. Clearing cached files didn't help. Not sure where to start regenerating the whole thing

Rarst

I'll probably need to move to node and native script after all, because PhpStorm plugin seems to lag behind in updates as well

anu

@rarst - have you seen this: alphapixels.com/prepros

Rarst

yes, don't quite see a point of doing it outside PhpStorm

anu

I started using livereload before PHPStorm integrated file watchers properly, so never switched.

GhostToast

4:03 PM

defined('ABSPATH') OR exit; <-- a useful line of code which also serves as good career advice

Chip Bennett

Why did the SO folks send him here?

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Q: Wordpress Parabola theme responsiveness layout issue

I had posted this on StackOverflow but it was suggested to me to post in this forum. You learn something everyday! In my first foray into Wordpress I am using the Parabola theme. I am very impressed by the work of CryoutCreations and the community overall with WP. I am however, totally stuck on...

css responsive

Mods: please reiterate to SO mods that inclusion of the term "WordPress" is not a magic bullet that renders any and all questions within WPSE scope.

toscho

This question appears to be off-topic because it belongs on WordPress StackExchange. — Jonathon Reinhart 16 mins ago

@ChipBennett This isn’t a migrated question, but a multipost

Chip Bennett

@toscho understood. That's why I said they sent him here, and not that they migrated his question.

Should I just go cast a reopen vote on SO, then?

toscho

@ChipBennett the question is still open on SO

Chip Bennett

@toscho okay, can we get to the real point, please? Whether the question is open, closed, or migrated: SO tried to send the user to WPSE for a question that is off-topic for WPSE

toscho

4:13 PM

Not SO did that, just one single, misinformed user there

Chip Bennett

@toscho ...as if it's an isolated incident?

toscho

it is something no one can change

kaiser

4:26 PM

@Rarst what exactly are you talking about? node? PHPStorm? What are your trying to do?

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A: ★ A better name for our site ★

Fix Your WordPress Mess For Less

hehe

Rarst

@kaiser compiling LESS

kaiser

5:19 PM

kaiser

6:49 PM

@Rarst npm install -g less && npm install -g less-watch ... maybe this will have to do it. Only problem is that I'd need to rewrite, upload, etc. all the stuff to plain css then :P

Rarst

PhpStorm has file watchers and node package management, just need to get to installing node itself

kaiser

File watchers are a strange thing. Use it in one project, but still CLI stuff is easier, clearer and I never quite got around where the result lands. Storm shows is as subfile of the less/scss/sass file.

GhostToast

7:44 PM

@Rarst your debug widget found this:

PHP Warning: version_compare() expects parameter 2 to be string, object given in /(path)/wp-admin/includes/class-wp-upgrader.php on line 2138

Rarst

so?.. :)

GhostToast

think its interesting that the upgrader produces an error

Rarst

tell Nacin...

GhostToast

perfectplastic.com

i think auto update broke this site

cause it needs FTP to update!

Chip Bennett

@GhostToast automatic update should have failed to attempt an update, on the filesystem check

GhostToast

7:51 PM

could not copy files. installation failed

i think their host might suck

windows :(

Rarst

no, seriously - go torture Nacin with that

Chip Bennett

@GhostToast at least it was a polite/clean failure, and not a critical failure

@Rarst yep; that's likely feedback the core team would want to receive

GhostToast

look at site

that's pretty critical

not sure i can get access to logs on this shit-box

Chip Bennett

@GhostToast looks like it's running properly to me...?

GhostToast

its back. on phone with sysadmin

kaiser

8:10 PM

I so don't want to rework all of the LESS stuff... sigh

GhostToast

8:23 PM

why does strtotime(+1 month) suck today :(

Rarst

because it's last day of the month?..

Chip Bennett

I'd blame Halloween

GhostToast

because 31 days i guess?

doing $month[] = date('blah', strtotime('+'.$i.' month', $now));

replacing "$now" with "(first of month)" seems to work

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Q: PHP strtotime +1 month behaviour

I know about the unwanted behaviour of PHP's function strtotime For example, when adding a month (+1 month) to dates like: 31.01.2011 -> 03.03.2011 I know it's not officially a PHP bug, and that this solution has some arguments behind it, but at least for me, this behavior has caused a lo...