The Classroom

Ben I.

1:33 AM

I love this most recent graphic

thesecretmaster

Thanks!

I gotta leave for today. Bye everyone!

Gypsy Spellweaver

Looks good for a banner, or other large-ish use, as the profile pic, not so much. As I've learned, the profile pic is often shown in the range of 64x64 size. Even cropped to near square, it dosen't look too promising.

All the pretty details are lost.

Even reduced to the 500px wide that post images have it looks nice.

Ben I.

The pretty details are lost, but I like that the main message of it remains intact

Gypsy Spellweaver

Yup.

Ben I.

2:22 AM

Even though I was chastised a bit for the promoting I did, it clearly worked. We have all of these new people posting questions and answers today :)

18 new users in 24 hours, and 3 of them are posting

Sorry, 4 of them!

Either 16 or 17 of those 18 came after my promotional comments started

Ben I.

3:55 AM

Got another invite out to a teacher I know, and she wants to forward it to some other people !! :)

Gypsy Spellweaver

4:19 AM

Excellent.

I just had a flashing thought. We all know how SE works, but the invitees don't. The Tour page does a decent job of introducing it, but it's way too long for a quick introduction in person or by out-of-band contact. It is not a forum, and doesn't even resemble one in practice. How, then, to introduce someone to it easily? My thought:

"It is an organic FAQ - multiple answers to users' questions with voting to help select the best one"

What do you all think?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

I have returned!

@GypsySpellweaver Now that's more like it.

Ben I.

Where would they see it? As in, isn't it something that SE would need to funnel them into?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

What I am trying to say is: I like it.

Gypsy Spellweaver

@BenI. Not something other than SE, but something we can say, in person, or in an email, when trying to describe SE to people we're trying to get involved in CSE who have no prior SE exposure.

Ben I.

We could make some community posts?

I mostly customize everything to the person I'm writing to

Gypsy Spellweaver

4:34 AM

How do you explain the world of SE to them?

Ben I.

Well, in my most recent email, part of what I wrote was:

Once you've created your account, have a look around. There are three great things to do that will help you out and help us out:
1. Ask a question (or even more than one) - this is probably what we need most right now
2. Answer a question - share your knowledge!
3. Upvote and downvote - the votes are the "currency" of the whole system, and they're what keep the whole thing going. This brings the strongest answers to the top. And, of course, everyone loves getting, erm, internet points ;-)

My wife just told me it's bed time :)

Gypsy Spellweaver

NN

Ben I.

TTYT!

Itamar Green

5:36 AM

I may have brought a very experienced cs educator to here. She might accept the invite. She has more than 15 years of experience in teaching, and has incredible insight when it comes to teaching programming. This could be a door to more members, because she knows many teachers.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

@ItamarGreen Congrats

Gypsy Spellweaver

@ItamarGreen Great job

Henry WH Hack v2.0

@ItamarGreen Are you a teacher?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

6:12 AM

@GypsySpellweaver Are you in?

Normally

Ok

'sup?

A cup of tea and a friendly chat?

Gypsy Spellweaver

s/tea/coffee/

Henry WH Hack v2.0

6:14 AM

Ok

So do you like the site?

Gypsy Spellweaver

Looks promising

Henry WH Hack v2.0

ok

Gypsy Spellweaver

Hoping I can develop one or two questions for it. Not sure it will happen though

Do you think you'll be doing much asking or answering?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Can't say

Gypsy Spellweaver

Did you "commit" to the proposal?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

6:24 AM

Nope

Gypsy Spellweaver

Then you're not expected to contribute seriously.

How does this look compared to IoT in the early days?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

I wasn't keeping track of IOT.SE really.

Ask @Aurora0001 when he comes around.

Gypsy Spellweaver

Are you hoping to learn anything from here?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

I may do something in the future.

Gypsy Spellweaver

Do you have some projects to fill you summer break with?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

6:29 AM

Yes

Gypsy Spellweaver

Kewl

Henry WH Hack v2.0

6:53 AM

@GypsySpellweaver Ok I'm back

I edited my Ask Ubuntu account.

Gypsy Spellweaver

Oh, why?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

I am promoting area1 sites

Not a spam

askubuntu.com/users/468313/henry-wh-hack-v2-0?tab=profile

To see the full list of proposals.

I think I should make it smaller.

Gypsy Spellweaver

Good Idea. I've got CSE on mine too. except I used the piece that was created here rather than the "official" one.

Smaller is possible, but not needed.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

@GypsySpellweaver Since it's mostly HTML and CSS really I can probably tweak the code to my liking.

Gypsy Spellweaver

Of course you can.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

7:03 AM

I knew it.

Gypsy Spellweaver

Rather than controlling both width and height, just control one and let the browser handle the other automatically. Avoids typing in the wrong aspect ratio and getting a distorted image.

In this case, because of the limited space on the profile, I'd do the width under HTML control.

@HenryWHHackv2.0 Well, I done did it. Got my own question up there now. [-<

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Ok

nice

Gypsy Spellweaver

Just hope it don't get closed :{

Henry WH Hack v2.0

@GypsySpellweaver Nice going using the word directory instead of folder. ;)

Gypsy Spellweaver

In web context it's a directory, even if its served by IIS

Henry WH Hack v2.0

7:18 AM

Folder don't really sound computer science like

but directory does

I think directory is the proper way for saying folder in Computer Science.

Gypsy Spellweaver

I'm bilingual in that context, maybe trilingual even.

Directories have not always existed either. CP/M didn't have them. It had userspace instead.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Directories and Folders same thing story done.

[Case CLOSED: by HenryWHHackv2.0]

Gypsy Spellweaver

Interesting: in Win/DOS you get a DIR of a "folder". In *nix you get an ls of a "directory"

Henry WH Hack v2.0

[Case LOCKED: by HenryWHHackv2.0]

@GypsySpellweaver I already knew that.

Gypsy Spellweaver

So, @HenryWHHackv2.0 what CS-type stuff are you active in?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

7:25 AM

IT Security

oh that's not CS.

Gypsy Spellweaver

As what? Black hat? Pen testing? Local security?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

@GypsySpellweaver Black hat illegal

Gypsy Spellweaver

@HenryWHHackv2.0 I think it's part of CS, even if the ivory tower don't want to think so.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

I should become a DEV at:

Gypsy Spellweaver

@HenryWHHackv2.0 Not if the work for No Such Agency

Henry WH Hack v2.0

7:28 AM

stack exchange

Gypsy Spellweaver

Are you learning the skills and tools that you'd need for that position?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Oh damit

Why didnt I think of that.

Gypsy Spellweaver

Never too late :)

Henry WH Hack v2.0

To get a job at stack exchange you must learn stack exchange.

Gypsy Spellweaver

I think learning stack exchange is the last thing on the list of must haves

Henry WH Hack v2.0

7:31 AM

IT and Programming

That's the first thing on my list.

Gypsy Spellweaver

IDK, but I bet they've got specialists all over the place. DBAs, coders, UI design, etc.

And even a few IT security types too.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Is it funny that the name of the company is call stack exchange.

I think the idea behind the name is exchanging stacks of information.

But not sure really.

Gypsy Spellweaver

From some of my reading in old meta posts, they used to call each site a stack not a site, so strong possibility that you are correct.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

I will ask an SE employee there usally hand out in this room:

Tavern on the Meta

MY GOD, IT'S FULL OF STARS AND BACKLOG! General friendly chit-...

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Gypsy Spellweaver

I know you use Ubuntu, and you look like you're comfortable in CLI. Have you tried any programming languages yet?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

7:37 AM

@GypsySpellweaver Yes

Gypsy Spellweaver

Which one(s)?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Python

Gypsy Spellweaver

I like that _old_ quote they have on there.
My God, it's full of stars!

How do you like it?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

I don't understand.

Gypsy Spellweaver

Python that is.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

7:39 AM

yes

Do people star a lot in the room?

Gypsy Spellweaver

The quote is from the movie 2001: A Space Odyssey

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Oh

So we went from stars to hal9000

or is it

hal9000 to stars

Gypsy Spellweaver

Escaping HAL9000 he EVA'd to the obelisk. When he got close enough he saw the stars. Last transmission before he disappeared.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Ah

Gypsy Spellweaver

I think the implication they were trying to make was that the obelisk held all the worlds inside it.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

7:44 AM

Do you play video games?

Gypsy Spellweaver

Don't have the time anymore. Used to do some on PS2.

Now it just gathers fur-balls

I really would like to finish FF X, but not going to happen any time soon :(

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Who is the wise geek?

Gypsy Spellweaver

You know as much as I do about that one. Singapore-based, currently working for a private school, would like to be an SE worker. Was unemployed for a while.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Yes yes go on.

But who is he/she

Gypsy Spellweaver

That's what I know. Going to guess it's he but only from the manner of language used.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

7:51 AM

His name

Itamar Green

@HenryWHHackv2.0 nope...

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Well his profile name.

Gypsy Spellweaver

<-- clueless

Itamar Green

(about if I'm a teacher)

Gypsy Spellweaver

wb

Henry WH Hack v2.0

7:52 AM

It's:

SuperUser user number 10165

Gypsy Spellweaver

That's hardly a name. That's like saying you're SuperUser user number 538608.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

It's a codename.

Gypsy Spellweaver

Actually, as a second clue that it's probably he is the hat the dog wears.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Yep he's a mod.

Gypsy Spellweaver

You've been around here long enough that you might know this. Does smokey monitor all sites, or only certain ones?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

8:00 AM

His name is: 269cefc2ab4e7b4c2cbea9ccd0ceced6

@GypsySpellweaver All

Gypsy Spellweaver

Then, eventually, we're going to need someone in HQ as well.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Charcoal HQ

Where smoke is detected, diamonds are made, and we break thing...

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Gypsy Spellweaver

That's what I said, yep.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

What do you mean by in HQ?

I am always in HQ.

Gypsy Spellweaver

@HenryWHHackv2.0 that

Henry WH Hack v2.0

8:02 AM

does that count?

Gypsy Spellweaver

I'm seldom there, and yes that does.

Not that I expect we'll have much for smokey to burn for a while.

Yep, I see you there.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

The wise geek is:

~~https://askubuntu.com/users/25798/jokerdino~~

Gypsy Spellweaver

nope

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Of course not.

it's

Gypsy Spellweaver, Kentucky, United States

816 1 2 16

ok one more it's really

Gypsy Spellweaver

So, why does the wise geek call himself a journeyman?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

8:06 AM

Don't tell me:

it's yes yes

Journeyman Geek ♦, Singapore, Singapore

105k 36 201 329

linux windows windows-7 hard-drive networking ubuntu windows-xp

BOOM!

Gypsy Spellweaver

^\o/^

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Oh now I remember you:

in Root Access, May 17 at 6:06, by Gypsy Spellweaver

@HenryWHHackv2.0 The future belongs to those who have dreams.

Gypsy Spellweaver

Course, I already knew that you knew that. ;P Seen you chatting with him before.

@HenryWHHackv2.0 So, what do you think that means?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

I don't have time to decode it right now.

Itamar Green

Know that feeling when you're not sure which tags fit your question?

Gypsy Spellweaver

8:09 AM

yup

Pick the ones you like, edit it later.

Itamar Green

ok XD.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

9:17 AM

@GypsySpellweaver Well too comfortable.

Gypsy Spellweaver

Why too comfortable?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

in Chat of Things, Feb 27 at 19:46, by Henry WH Hack v2.0

FUN fact: You know how Linux new comers are more scared of the terminal than the GUI? (Well for me I'm more scared of the GUI than the Terminal in Linux.)

Sorry I meant

What's that word for hardly

Seldom?

no

Rarely?

9:19 AM

Are it's rarely

I rarely use the GUI in Linux.

Gypsy Spellweaver

I avoided using the GUI as long as I could. Eventually I found it impractical to not use the GUI for some things. Firefox looks so much nicer than lynx does.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

@GypsySpellweaver yep

Most of the stuff you can do in the GUI you can do in the CLI.

Like Browsing the web in the CLI

Gypsy Spellweaver

And the graphs on gkrellm are a lot easier to interpret rapidly than scrolling or shifting output in a terminal screen

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Ok

Well going to Aurora0001

Nice Guy Aurora0001

Gypsy Spellweaver

Have fun

I'm not very social-oriented. Do better with machines.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

9:24 AM

o

k

What do you think about Aurora0001?

Gypsy Spellweaver

Very little contact in here, and never met him until CSE began. Seems competent enough to me though.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Oh I never meet him until IoT.SE began.

I always meet someone when a new SE site is out.

Gypsy Spellweaver

'tis a big world in here, never know who's around the next bend.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Yep

You will see me on the next upcoming SE site.

Gypsy Spellweaver

Mayhaps, if I'm in on it.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

9:32 AM

Even if I'm not in on it I will join it.

I have something call.

Itamar Green

Wow, 294 users now. That's not all that bad.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Randomly Interested In The Topic (RIITT)

Itamar Green

296*

Gypsy Spellweaver

@ItamarGreen How many with rep > 0 ?

Itamar Green

oh. I'll check that

Gypsy Spellweaver

9:36 AM

Hate to be the burr in the saddle, but got to keep it real too.

@ItamarGreen Now for the bad news about my answer: I know nothing about C/C++/Java languages.

Itamar Green

But the question is OOP. did I tag it java?

that's a mistake...

Gypsy Spellweaver

Nope, but the syntax does.

Itamar Green

well the answer is generally correct. But I was hoping for something that will help the students be ok with something that at first glance looks like "defining something with that same thing"

Gypsy Spellweaver

That's why they need the static/dynamic under their belt. And the difference between a template and an object. When I create this use that.

And, yes, you did use java on that. The syntax for PHP and Perl is markedly different, but the resulting concept is essentially the same.

@ItamarGreen For the animal class question, without making it an answer, I'd suggest going with vehicle class. It allows for more polymorphism, greater depth of classes, and can be used to introduce APIs. No direct access, generally, to the fuel tank to check level, or the carburetor to adjust fuel flow or mixture. Only through the getter (fuel gauge) and setter (throttle). Some cases the throttle is physical linkage, others (jets?) it's all electronic and computerized.

Itamar Green

9:51 AM

Clever. I'll write an example for myself (not an answer, just preparing an example)

Gypsy Spellweaver

It can be a good one to guide the students through. Finding the essential characteristics of a vehicle: First thoughts often include "wheels", well how about boats and helicopters? Good practice for when it's time to learn re-factoring of code.

thesecretmaster

Hello everyone

Gypsy Spellweaver

hello master of secrets

@thesecretmaster Have you fixed your charger issue?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

10:16 AM

This room has a lot of pinned messages.

in Ask Ubuntu General Room, May 23 at 17:44, by Nathan Osman

The starwall has been breached.

thesecretmaster

@GypsySpellweaver That was @HenryWHHackv2.0, I think. Mine works fine, especially considering it's IEC cable and never gets touched.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Yes that was me.

Gypsy Spellweaver

@thesecretmaster @HenryWHHackv2.0 Oops. Ok, did you get it fixed.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

@GypsySpellweaver no

Gypsy Spellweaver

Ever find the specs for it?

thesecretmaster

10:23 AM

E taped?

When BenI. gets here, I'd like to make a plan to talk to Robert about the site.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

@thesecretmaster The CM?

How?

thesecretmaster

It's been mentioned that we ought to ask him to have a chat using the comments on his answer

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Ok

thesecretmaster

It's interesting that we have more users than people comitted here.

Also: the academia ad has driven 2 clicks already

Gypsy Spellweaver

10:40 AM

@HenryWHHackv2.0 Does your power pack look like this where the power cord from the wall connects?

thesecretmaster

That looks gulp proprietary

Gypsy Spellweaver

Most laptops are :( Hard to build one yourself like a desktop.

thesecretmaster

I would like an open source modular laptop, but it doesn't exist :(

Henry WH Hack v2.0

yes

Well not sure what you are asking.

Gypsy Spellweaver

The cord that goes from the wall to the power pack often can be unplugged from the power pack. If yours can, does it look like that where the cord connects to the power pack.

@thesecretmaster Not modular, but FSF certified. :)

minifree.org/product/libreboot-t400

Henry WH Hack v2.0

10:57 AM

Has anyone here ever used IRC chatting?

thesecretmaster

11:19 AM

Not me. Why?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

I was just asking.

Itamar Green

YESSS! I think I got the teacher I mentioned to join :P.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Ok

congrats!

@ItamarGreen Which one?

Itamar Green

11:33 AM

6 hours ago, by Itamar Green

I may have brought a very experienced cs educator to here. She might accept the invite. She has more than 15 years of experience in teaching, and has incredible insight when it comes to teaching programming. This could be a door to more members, because she knows many teachers.

thesecretmaster

2:39 PM

Both ads are live. Step 2, twitter

Aurora0001

2:51 PM

Who has control of the Twitter account?

thesecretmaster

@Peter

Ben I.

3:18 PM

Okay, I'm caught up on the chat

(And I'm back for, like, 10 minutes)

It took me 90 minutes this morning just to catch up with direct comments/answers on my own posts and this chat - I haven't even gotten to the new questions on the site yet.

This must be a good sign

Peter

Yes...there has been a lot more activity the past two days...i was busy last night

i love logging on and seeing a lot on here

Ben I.

I suspect that Robert would say that it's not enough, but it's a clear improvement. And the material is really high quality

Peter

Especially given the timing

Ben I.

Well, there has been a marketing blitz

I basically took two full work days (my time at work is markedly less busy right now than usual) doing marketing

Reaching out to people, sending emails, posting on SO all over the place

And we're starting the Twitter (today?)

And I know others have been bringing people in as well

Peter

yep

CS Educators

@cs_educators

We are a group of dedicated computer science teachers working to build a professional community on the Stack Exchange Network. Tweets are our own.

0 tweets, 0 followers, following 0 users

how does it look?

Ben I.

3:31 PM

Nice!

Is the top picture usually so tall on Twitter?

That seems like a lot of real estate for a static image

Peter

yep

Ben I.

Ok then, I think it looks really nice

Itamar Green

questions per day nearly at all time low o.o

Ben I.

Visually and text communicate the right ideas to me

@ItamarGreen That's misleading

Aurora0001

They're averaged over the last two weeks

Ben I.

3:33 PM

It's doing a long-term average, so it will keep going down

Itamar Green

Oh

now it all makes sense.

Peter

Draft of first tweet: "Hello, world! Come join our new community of Computer Science educators! [link to A51]"

Ben I.

That's a fine first tweet

Followed by one that explains how to get in from that link?

Itamar Green

just out of interest, what are the requirements for going into public beta?

Ben I.

It's not 100% defined - it's a choice that the overlords make by looking at the metrics

Peter

3:35 PM

I can do that. Should I say "Click "Visit!" to register"?

Itamar Green

@BenI. I see, Thanks!

Ben I.

I suspect that we will have slightly easier requirements, because Robert made a point about his realization that starting an educators site in June is a tough way to start

@Peter That's way more succinct and useful than whatever was floating around in my head. So, yes, that :)

Peter

k

I also think we took his answer to us as a call to action...that has to speak to the quality and passion of the community

there has to be something beyond pure metrics

Ben I.

As long as we keep up the marketing efforts and keep getting more people in (and keep the quality of the site itself high, which will be the most important traffic driver in the long run), if I put on my fortune-telling hat, I think we'll have the following:

A week-long extension of private beta, and then public beta

Peter

We are live!

Hello, world! Come join our new community of Computer Science educators! Click "Visit!" from the link below! http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/92460/computer-science-educators

Tweeted by cs_educators on June 3, 2017 at 3:38 PM

Ben I.

3:39 PM

applauds

thesecretmaster

Woo!

Ben I.

Should we post links to our top three questions?

Peter

Now I'll retweet it from my accounts and start following people

Good call...although won't those links go right to a log-in screen?

Ben I.

Sure, but... what else is there to put up, other than our questions?

Peter

True

I guess that's what we have to work with

thesecretmaster

3:43 PM

You can tweet "Ever wondered if ...? We have the answer! [link]" Or something similar.

Peter

nice!

i like that

Aurora0001

Are we just keeping it manual for now?

Peter

I think until we go to public beta, manual makes the most sense

Itamar Green

Manual in what way?

Peter

not having automated tweets

Aurora0001

3:49 PM

Well, the way that Literature do it isn't really that automated, more controlled from a SE chat room

Itamar Green

Oh, ok.

Aurora0001

But it's a bit of work to set up correctly

Itamar Green

2 users away from 300. I can't wait.

even if 300 isn't anything special

just indicates the slow rising of the beta XD

thesecretmaster

Yay

Ben I.

I alternate between thinking that we're obviously gonna make it, and despairing that it's impossible.

Peter

4:01 PM

Had we folded/fought back last week, I'd feel more despair, but we took action, began promoting, and have seen things improve

We did hit a lull there

I've been on a bit of a tweet storm

I'm excited that there are questions and answers I haven't read yet

if there are twitter accounts you think i should follow or tweet at, please let me know

brb...

Peter

5:19 PM

This article has spurred a lot of discussion. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/29/us/computer-science-cheating.html Join our conversation about it here: https://cseducators.stackexchange.com/questions/14/cheating-on-labs

Tweeted by cs_educators on June 3, 2017 at 5:18 PM

We've crossed 300! Progress!

Ben I.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Peter

I really don't get questions/day though

We have 82 questions in 10 days

That's 8.2, not 5.9

Aurora0001

82 questions / 14 days = 5.857, so that must be the figure used

Itamar Green

Now we need are more avid users.

Peter

But where is the 14 days coming from?

Itamar Green

5:29 PM

as well as more users.

(2 weeks)

Peter

Well yes but why 14 when we've been open for 10?

Itamar Green

No idea. It is very strange

Aurora0001

When you hover over, it says 5.9 questions/day on average over the last 11 days

So it seems to think we've had 65 questions

Peter

Strange

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Yeah don't really understand myself.

Itamar Green

5:45 PM

Anybody here?

Peter

Yep

Itamar Green

I was thinking of doing a sort of "head count". See which fields of expertise have someone here that knows much about them

Good call

So, wanna go ahead?

@ItamarGreen ;P

5:51 PM

Puns are the best.

Peter

High School CS - AP CS Principles and AP CS A

Teach with Scratch, C, Python, Java, Processing

With a smattering of HTML, CSS, JavaScript, SQL

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Peter When you "follow" an account on twitter does the follower get notified that they are being followed by the account, or just an account?

Peter

Yes, they will see who is now following them.

With the name

dipper

Hey guys :)

Gypsy Spellweaver

Then, one I find It, I'll have an account to follow. Have to chase down the trail to find his twitter name.

dipper

5:53 PM

I'm struggling with trying to compute multiplicative inverses using the extended euclidean algorithm

Itamar Green

@dipper Never heard of that. I'll read about it...

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Peter Here he is:

Alfred Thompson

@alfredtwo, New Hampshire

High school CS teacher, Education blogger, author, CS education activist, speaker, CSTA Board Member, husband & father of teachers. #MIEExpert - Tweets my own

46.6k tweets, 6.3k followers, following 2k users

Peter

Followed!

Thanks

have to log off for a bit...be back later

Tavern on the Meta

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