@JudyOakley, do you grok grok?

Because if you don't grok grok, but you do grok google, then you can google grok and then you will grok grok. grok?

Is that like what the wood chuck chucked?

I think I grok grok, and I didn't have to google grok.

I downloaded the Stack Exchange app to my phone. Like it. I feel more connected. I'm so often not at a computer.

And it seems more intuitive and less cumbersome than "this". Haven't played with notifications but I'm betting I can be notified immediately of new questions instead of having a...delay.

Some of you, who shall remain nameless, but whose initials are B, B, and G, are just way too quick on the draw and always suck up the good answers.

@JudyOakley You better check the timestamps for answers from G. Most are several hours, if not days, late. Plenty of time for better ones to prevent G from even posting.

B&B, however, are a force to be reckoned with. And I believe the rep proves that as well.

The lowest of the pair is more that then next two combined for all-time one-site rep.

LOL they are a force, and I truly do not wish to battle them. However I can serve as rear guard.

What is the time zone for the time stamps in this chat room? They often seem off to me.

They should either be listed in what the system thinks is your zone, or in UTC, which has a "Z: at the end of it. That is currently 4 hours later than your zone. 01:44 at the moment.

As a side note, UTC is the basis for a "day" on SE as well. So your rep for "today" starts at 8P.M. your time, and the limit on votes and flags per day resets at 8PM as well.

Someday soon I'm going to beard the dragon in his lair and see if he can give up 110 rep voluntarily as well.

Suiting up in field plate

sharpens bastard sword

@JudyOakley A trick I happen to like with the chat while on desktop is to switch it to "mobile" and drop the star wall, room membership list and all the right side. It also moves the avatars from the left side into the box with the message, reducing the "needed" window width to a nice small number.

Allows me to keep that window on the side and use the real estate of the desktop for other, productive, things.

Well now I have the app on my tablet and am comfortably in bed reading the HNQs! Competition for WWF!

I think WWF is no competition for SE.

Part of being a nerd I guess.

Here's a view of Chome on desktop showing mobile format for chat.

I have no patience for the mobile version. I use the desktop version on my phone :P

What part of the mobile version requires "patience"?

Aside from the loss of "extras" it seems the same to me.

BTW, what are you doing out of bed at 0-dark-thirty?

Things are happening, a few weeks earlier than expected. I suspect I will be up for awhile yet.

Not bad "things" I hope?

I'm nervous, but for now there is nothing to do.

Very, very good things, I hope.

Promotion?

Yeah, I suppose it is.

Kewl

They've left me out in another room by myself for the moment, so I came for distraction.

Oh, Still at the "office" then?

I figured all campuses would be locked down tight by now.

I'm not on a school campus :)

Ok.

I may have to go without notice, but while I am here, what was the example of something that failed by your standard but succeeded under mine?

your answer

without checking if group was required or optional you went with optional.

Turned out not to be optional

it was a frame challenge, but one that was invalid for the situation

Ah, but there was no way to know that from the prompt.

Well, it did say it was a group project that LR would take over.

comments on the question can be used to ask for clarification

That's like saying that you should always have mixed-gender groups in your projects. It might be a "best practice" but just won't work in your situation.

Not saying that it is a best practice. Just an example

So, the answer proposed two methods: a way to achieve healthy teamwork for 85% of students, and a separate technique to achieve teamwork for all students.

Oh, it's a good answer, in its own right. Just not a valid frame challenge to that question. (in my own opinion).

It pointed to a framing problem that I believed to be the source of OPs problem, and two solutions. I don't see how it would fail your standard.

There was no framing problem in the OP's problem - situation beyond their control.

(and btw, I am not trying to be argumentative. In fact I presume you're right. I'm just not understanding some distinction here.)

That's what I meant by saying that we, as a site, need to limit frame challenges that oppose the OPs stated limits.

In this case it wasn't "stated" until after your answer. But, prior to the answer you could have commented for clarification.

AAH WISH ME LUCK!

luck

Hope everything went well. Signing off.

@JudyOakley You mean "How many chucks would a chuck chuck chuck if a chuck chuck would chuck chuck?"

@GypsySpellweaver Regarding mixed-gender groups. There is research that says a group with at least one female will perform better than an all male group. But also if a group has only one female, she will feel isolated and not very supported. I tried to put at least two women an any mixed-gender group.

@BenI. wishing hard for all good things.

@Buffy Thanks, really really.

@GypsySpellweaver I guess I don't agree with that. Sometimes the framing of a question indicates a misconception that should be corrected. "How hard should I beat my students? If I beat them only a little, they don't remember. If I beat them a lot, they complain to the dean."

@Buffy The idea of not going against what the OP has limited, or excluded, is that there are requirements that come from higher up the ladder that we don't know, and the OP has to work within. Beating the students probably wouldn't qualify.

But answers need to be relevant in a wider context than that of the OP to make them useful to future visitors whose context won't be identical.

Otherwise simple email or a mailing list is sufficient.

The AP and SIGCSE mailing lists often provide closely tailored answers to questions, but they aren't a replacement for this site, not nearly as valuable.

Balancing the value of answers to the future readers and the value to the OP is part of the battle we face on SE.

The frame challenge answers are always on the line and hardest to deal with.

actually, I've never found it hard. usually you don't need to expand context by much, but you need to try to grok the mindset of the OP as well as the specific question asked. Sometimes it is clear that there is something missing or off the rails so you need to push a bit harder, but it is rare. Sometimes a non-answer answer is needed, but only when there is a clear misunderstanding.

Tai Chi calls. Back in a couple of hours.

Keep the lights on.

A couple of ideas for questions I've had while running around this morning: 1) What are the advantages/disadvantages of teaching visual or block programming such as Scratch before a formal programming language? (I don't have experience with that particular environment, although I have built an app with the very similar MIT App Inventor.) 2) Does the "flipping the classroom" model mesh well with programming? Have you used that model, and if so, what did you think about the results?

(This thought was promtped by @Ryan Nutt's response to the study guide question).

I think the block language question has been asked. Look for block-based-programming. One of our members @EllenSpertus helped build App Inventor, actually.

There is one question about a flipped classroom: cseducators.stackexchange.com/q/1121/1293 and it was mentioned at least one other time. Search for "flipped"

Dark in here. Who turned off the lights??