The Classroom

@Downgoat not really - I do mainly python because it's most useful for my purposes (numpy) but I do stuff with C and other languages - I always like playing with other languages.

Gypsy Spellweaver

If I had the time, I'd learn all of them. More tools in the chest means better chance of having the best one for the job

Mendeleev

@heather Ruby is really neat

It lets you do things like 5.times { print "Hello!\n" }

Ben I.

12:11 AM

So... our party has been crashed by PPCG?

heather

@Mendeleev, yeah, I need to try it, it's been on my list. Maybe this summer I'll finally get to it and Lisp.

Ben I.

Because I gotta say... this is awesome.

Mendeleev

And "hello world".upcase

Downgoat

@Mendeleev opls cheddar is golfier: |>5=>->print"Hello"

ATaco

I invited PPCG to come congratulate CSE, and pretty unsurprisingly we started talking about applications of programming languages.

Mendeleev

12:12 AM

@Downgoat Ruby: $><<"Hello\n"*5

Gypsy Spellweaver

So how can we use Ruby or Python to market CSE?

Downgoat

@Mendeleev Cheddar: ->"Hello"*5

heather

@Mendeleev oh, come on, that could be done with print("Hello!\n"*5) in python.

ATaco

As I said, Python is a great language for basic and clear teaching of programming concepts.

heather

@Gypsy use python to send emails to everyone on a mailing list =)

Mendeleev

12:12 AM

@heather I'm demonstrating that everything, even integer literals is an object and has methods

Downgoat

@ATaco opls python classes are an abomination

Mendeleev

@ATaco This is true.

Gypsy Spellweaver

I'm in the USA, gotta worry about CANSPAM

ATaco

@Downgoat Classes in functional languages are always abominations.

Downgoat

@ATaco python is like 0% functional (counter example: Cheddar, VSL)

heather

12:13 AM

@Mendeleev ah, I see, I misunderstood the point of that line =)

Mendeleev

@heather SE chat has built in reply functionality that lets you see which message you're replying to. just hover over it and press the arrow on the right. it really makes it much clearer

heather

@Mendeleev Okay, thanks.

Mendeleev

There's also a lot of userscripts made by @ATaco to enhance SE chat.

Downgoat

^ I highly reccomend the one that has a macro for: BORK ALERT 🚨 BORK ALERT 🚨 BORK ALERT

ATaco

I have no intentions to bring that madness here.

Mendeleev

12:14 AM

There's even one that lets you see people who are typing (that have the userscript) sort of like Discord

heather

@Downgoat link please =)

Mendeleev

@ATaco I mean mostly useful things like the preview and I am Typing

Downgoat

@heather github.com/TehFlaminTaco/TacosUserscripts/blob/master/…

Ben I.

Huh, I earned a solid upvote on codegolf. 111 points. I didn't remember getting any votes :P

Mendeleev

github.com/TehFlaminTaco/TacosUserscripts

Downgoat

12:15 AM

that repository has a whole ton more userscripts you can use, 10/10 very useful

Mendeleev

Just don't get Team Spirit ;)

Gypsy Spellweaver

Got a userscript for giving an audio alert for new posts in a monitored stack?

Mendeleev

By the way, I am Typing [warning: direct userscript link] is a really cool thing

ATaco

I suppose a party doesn't need to be ontopic, but this is rather derailed.

Gypsy Spellweaver

I tried

Mendeleev

12:17 AM

> General discussion

heather

well, we can always re-rail it, if we want.

Mendeleev

Just like TNB :P

ATaco

TNB is derailed 100% of the time.

I think we as a community just derail things.

Gypsy Spellweaver

TNB == 19th byte ?

heather

TNB = the nineteenth byte?

Downgoat

12:18 AM

@ATaco excuse me we have had very productive train conversations

Mendeleev

@Gypsy @heather Yes

Downgoat

there was even that one with the train laying its own tracks

that is like opposite of derailing :P

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Downgoat Most of my conversations with trains is spent dodging the light at the end of the tunnel

Mendeleev

@Downgoat There was also the challenge Ruby on Rails (about a railway engineer named Ruby)

Downgoat

wait what python does hoisting oh god why

ATaco

12:19 AM

What are some topics educators find particularly difficult to explain to students?

Mendeleev

Please define hoisting

Ben I.

OK I think I'm heading off to bed. Tomorrow is another day. But let me just give one more

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah!!

Downgoat

@Mendeleev two-pass scope generation without doing the fancy scope inheritance stuff VSL does

Ben I.

We made it :D

G'night, folks!

Gypsy Spellweaver

@ATaco pointers, stacks, objects, recursion, code-style, best practices.

Downgoat

12:20 AM

@BenI. improved: WE GOAT TO PUBLIC BETA!! :D

heather

@BenI. good night - and thanks for all the hard work you've put in!

Mendeleev

@Downgoat What is two pass scope generation?

Downgoat

@Mendeleev uh brb pulling up docs

Ben I.

@heather very nice comment in meta - the physics policy is a really good model

Downgoat

how to fix borks with two-pass scope and here under scoping is info about why/what

heather

12:22 AM

@ATaco I don't know about educator -> student, but in terms of nerdy friend -> slightly less nerdy friend - explaining why programming is much more fun than social interaction =P

ATaco

@heather Ah, I've tried many years doing that. They never seem to byte.

heather

heheh

Downgoat

@heather social interaction has the problem where you have to explain how you can talk when you're a goat

Henry WH Hack v2.0

We will now pause for a commercial break.

Support these proposal:

86

Technical Communication

Proposed Q&A site for technical writers, content developers, engineers, scientists, and other professionals involved in the process of creating assets for documentation, education, and presentations of technical subjects.

Currently in commitment.

Gypsy Spellweaver

@HenryWHHackv2.0 :))

ATaco

12:25 AM

The people in my workplace seem to use "Unicode" synonymously with "Anything that isn't visible ASCII"

Henry WH Hack v2.0

142

Open Science

Proposed Q&A site for the "open science" movement to make scientific research, data and dissemination accessible to all.

Currently in commitment.

Gypsy Spellweaver

@HenryWHHackv2.0 Sorry, I can't support that one.

ATaco

112

Virtual and Augmented Reality

Proposed Q&A site for questions relating to products such as the HTC Vive, Oculus Rift, Microsoft HoloLens, and other Virtual / Augmented Reality devices.

Currently in definition.

Gypsy Spellweaver

:38231905 Cute.

ATaco

Users of Virtual Reality gear often care about the Hardware as much as the Software, meaning it can't be covered by either SU or Arcade.

heather

12:27 AM

supporting first two, not third - let me take a look at that one.

Downgoat

@ATaco does this encompass development for VR and algorithms?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Sorry

ATaco

Apparently.

Downgoat

e.g.: "What are approaches to integrating 3D geolocation points effectively with AR"

Gypsy Spellweaver

I'm on both of first two already.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

12:28 AM

area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/102381/weapons I am advising my own proposal here.

ATaco

The current definition does include such discussion.

Gypsy Spellweaver

Likely to be worthless on the last anyway.

Downgoat

@ATaco :(

ATaco

@Downgoat Why the :(?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Ok we will now go back to our scheduled program.

Downgoat

12:29 AM

@ATaco you said the current definition of VR/AR does not include my quetion

Gypsy Spellweaver

I'd think you'd have to support *ware for VR, so often they're all tied together.

ATaco

@Downgoat Read again, I said does.

Downgoat

oh :| this is why i am fail english class

ATaco

VR Gear takes a surprising amount of maintenance.

heather

@HenryWHHackv2.0 actually, not quite yet, I have one more proposal to advertise:

Downgoat

12:31 AM

@ATaco do i loose point if my porpoised question is downvote?

heather

62

Quantum Computing

Proposed Q&A site for computer Professionals, Quantum-Computing, Quantum Software Programmers, Quantum Data Center Architects, and Quantum Computing Engineers.

Currently in definition.

and also

80

Self-directed learning

Proposed Q&A site for anyone interested in self-directed learning (MOOCs, OCW, libraries, etc.), as a student, teacher, researcher or other enthusiast.

Currently in definition.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

17

Paranormal

Proposed Q&A site for phenomenon believers in: Psionics:Psychokinesis/Telekinesis; ESP:Astral/Lucid/RV/NDE/OBE; Energy:Meditation/Consciousness; Magic:Occult/Witchcraft/Reiki/Crystals/Runes/Rituals/Exorcism); ET:Aliens/UFO; Metaphysical entities: Spirits; Astrology, etc.

Currently in definition.

Gypsy Spellweaver

@heather It looks like your basic numerals need refreshing 1 != 2

Henry WH Hack v2.0

kenorb ;)

heather

@GypsySpellweaver yeah, I thought of the second one after I posted =)

Downgoat

12:32 AM

this is a really good quetsion you guys/gals should totally upvote: area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/102228/… :)

ATaco

I used my 5 upvotes already.

heather

^

Henry WH Hack v2.0

If only RC ♦ was here.

Gypsy Spellweaver

What would he do?

heather

this project on dna information storage is making me ask crazy questions that google will not enlighten me on.

Gypsy Spellweaver

12:40 AM

@heather Is that from bioinfomatics?

heather

i might need to head to a university library or something to read some of the papers that are popping up in search results (behind a paywall)

@GypsySpellweaver is what from bioinformatics? the project?

Gypsy Spellweaver

Hate paywalls, That's why I'm in OpenData

the DNS info storage.

If it's not from there, maybe go there in search of more info

heather

oh, ask on bioinformatics the site?

Gypsy Spellweaver

@heather If it fits, yes

heather

the questions aren't really about the actual encoding of the data, but about the engineering challenges behind dna synthesis.

but thank you =)

Gypsy Spellweaver

12:43 AM

It's in public beta, so they might need help with definition still. Worst they can do is close the question

heather

well, this particular question isn't on-topic there at all - "does a photosensor exist that is sensitive enough to detect a 1.3 nanometer molecule passing in front of it?" - probably more on topic on engineering, or maybe electrical engineering.

or maybe physics, I dunno which yet.

Gypsy Spellweaver

Not likely on topic for bioinfomatics, no. Others, who knows.