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Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
3:02 PM
May/June is a big season for travel type visa questions
Sept/Oct is the spouse visa season
Overstays are everywhere, but clustered in Jan/Feb
 
JonathanReez
JonathanReez
@GayotFow summer travelers meeting their future wives?
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
@JonathanReez Give that man a cigar! But more to the tune of trial relationships becoming established
 
JoErNanO
JoErNanO
0
A: Finding Undisclosed Restaurants on the Adriatic Coast

JoErNanOTrabocchi ... Trabocchi Everywhere The Costa dei Trabocchi is a piece of coastline in Abruzzo, spanning Ortona to Fossacesia: Map shamelessly screenshot from GAC Costa dei Trabocchi since the map link isn't available To date, you'll find several trabocchi along the coast, around 31. Most of t...

 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
+1, and looking to award +100
a masterpiece!
 
JonathanReez
JonathanReez
50 euros for a dinner in a shack? :)
 
JoErNanO
JoErNanO
3:14 PM
@GayotFow My very own La pioggia nel pineto
@JonathanReez On the sea. Next to fish-smelling cranes. Oh what do you want to know about eating you goulash-munching straropramen-chugging Czech?! :P
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
@JoErNanO I'm a Wagner man, but I'll concede this one :)
 
JoErNanO
JoErNanO
@GayotFow D'Annunzio was a trabocchi man.
> La macchina che pareva vivere d’armonia propria, avere un’aria ed un’effige di corpo d’anima
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
3:31 PM
@JoErNanO sardines?
 
Berwyn
Berwyn
@JoErNanO Bitch mussels?
 
mts
mts
@JoErNanO trabocco links 1, 3 and 8 are broken
but I'll give you +1 for "Enough Italian Blabla"
 
Berwyn
Berwyn
Perhaps they're undisclosed websites :)
 
JoErNanO
JoErNanO
@mts Thanks. Updated. Sometimes the SE link popup screws up really bad.
 
Heidel Ber Gensis
Heidel Ber Gensis
@JoErNanO lol
@mts I wish I didnt spend this 50 rep bounties.. I wish i made them 200...
@JoErNanO what was that u deleted? i wont flag u :D
 
JoErNanO
JoErNanO
3:48 PM
@HeidelBerGensis Pressed enter too soon. FGITW on chat too.
Stop wasting time and go upvote me.
 
Heidel Ber Gensis
Heidel Ber Gensis
@JoErNanO i got bigger problems than voting you..
I have, accidentally, throughout the month, made 4 different promises.. all of them must be done today.. i do not keep an up-to-date calendar..
so, 3 of these must be ignored.. but then, i have a sore throat.. so, all of them will be ignored..
holidays.. last day at work is tomorrow.. better get a ticket.. and run away from the country..
 
Berwyn
Berwyn
That link popup with the http already in there that I have to delete every single time, is very annoying
 
JoErNanO
JoErNanO
@Berwyn Exactly.
@HeidelBerGensis You have a windows craphone. Use it.
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
4:05 PM
7
Q: Does Siesta time in Panama affect business travelers?

Gayot FowI haven't been to Panama for quite some time and now there's a chance I may need to spend a few days there to service a software client. I remember that a large portion of the afternoon is dedicated to the 'siesta', and indeed I found this description... A midday siesta is practised in many ...

local-customs business-travel sleeping panama
bounty!!!
 
Heidel Ber Gensis
Heidel Ber Gensis
@JoErNanO I think i was the first to upvote that answer man..
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
it looks like @mts is going to take the bonanza hat. Well done to @mts for this performance!
 
Heidel Ber Gensis
Heidel Ber Gensis
@GayotFow he wasn't cheap.. he offered more, attracted more people, so he could award his bounties quickly then make new ones..
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
@HeidelBerGensis Yes, I found the problem that you cannot award one until it's answered. So you're in 'bounty limbo' until it expires
 
Berwyn
Berwyn
@GayotFow My bounty on that Panama question expired today
 
JonathanReez
JonathanReez
4:37 PM
Another WTF tactic by low-costs, this time Vueling
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
@Berwyn It must be a hard one. Not even the rep whores are trying...
 
JonathanReez
JonathanReez
If you don't check in early enough (I've tried a week in advance), you have to get a boarding pass from the check-in desk
because "random seats have run out"
 
Berwyn
Berwyn
@GayotFow I wouldn't know any of those
 
JonathanReez
JonathanReez
but they're happy to sell one
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
@Berwyn which reminds me, @JoErNanO are you going to listen to my idea?
 
Berwyn
Berwyn
4:39 PM
Sure. What idea?
 
Heidel Ber Gensis
Heidel Ber Gensis
@JonathanReez LCCs are just bad..
@MarkMayo dont you think that GoT season finale is lame..
 
JonathanReez
JonathanReez
Another thing I dislike at Prague airport is that all LCCs use the bus, while all the normal companies use a jet bridge. Other airports often use jet bridge for both
 
Berwyn
Berwyn
Ryanair says the bus is faster
 
Heidel Ber Gensis
Heidel Ber Gensis
@JonathanReez money saving..
 
Berwyn
Berwyn
that's their justification anyway...
 
Heidel Ber Gensis
Heidel Ber Gensis
4:44 PM
@JonathanReez I got a job offer from one local new LCC.. and I was afraid because of the saving strategies.. was worried it reaches employees..
 
Berwyn
Berwyn
I think that would be a safe assumption
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
7.1k rep offered in June
 
Heidel Ber Gensis
Heidel Ber Gensis
most are a waste..
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
56 rep average
 
Heidel Ber Gensis
Heidel Ber Gensis
it is sad when the bounty expires and no answers.. i even awarded bounties to bad answers so they dont go to waste..
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
4:48 PM
me too
 
Heidel Ber Gensis
Heidel Ber Gensis
thanks, please do you know how to pronounce Schiphol? (is it shifoul) ? — user2059935 29 mins ago
I read that as "shitful"..
welcome to shitful airport..
 
Berwyn
Berwyn
Should've created a "bounty" user, awarded all unused bounties to it, then gave them all away in one mega question at the end
 
Heidel Ber Gensis
Heidel Ber Gensis
@Berwyn like in monopoly..
 
JoErNanO
JoErNanO
@GayotFow go ahead. i'll read once you are done
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
@JoErNanO you get about 2 or 3 users with 10k+
and then go through the top 50 tags
and fix the rep whoring in the descriptions
 
Berwyn
Berwyn
5:06 PM
Where do I come into this?
 
RoflcoptrException
RoflcoptrException
@MarkMayo That's not an error. Until end of August I'm traveling and I've only rarely Internet access. So I can't guarantee that I'll be online regularly
 
Heidel Ber Gensis
Heidel Ber Gensis
@RoflcoptrException man, its been a while!
 
RoflcoptrException
RoflcoptrException
yes :)
 
Heidel Ber Gensis
Heidel Ber Gensis
@RoflcoptrException hope thing are fine with u.. any new places?
 
RoflcoptrException
RoflcoptrException
sure they are. at the moment i'm just hiking/biking in the alpes since a couple of weeks, but soon i'll fly to the US
and you?
 
Heidel Ber Gensis
Heidel Ber Gensis
5:14 PM
@RoflcoptrException ssdd...
nothing special.. no new places for quite sometime..
 
RoflcoptrException
RoflcoptrException
oh
 
Heidel Ber Gensis
Heidel Ber Gensis
@RoflcoptrException enjoy.. after all, you are a prince..
 
Willeke
Willeke
@HeidelBerGensis, the second H is like the one in the English word Hole, not silent but an average H.
 
Heidel Ber Gensis
Heidel Ber Gensis
more like the one in "threshold" i think..
 
Willeke
Willeke
Close enough in either case.
I am taking out the comments on the Q, no help for other people than you and me.
 
Heidel Ber Gensis
Heidel Ber Gensis
5:23 PM
the hardest sound for me is the "ng" in bahasa..
took me a while, and still can't get it right most of the times..
 
Willeke
Willeke
Dutch is not a difficult language in grammer and vocubulare, the only reason it is with the hardest languages is that it contains so many sounds people find hard. There is not one single language which contains all the same hard sounds. But all sounds to come back in different other languages.
 
Heidel Ber Gensis
Heidel Ber Gensis
in the other hand, arabic is really hard.. no one can learn it perfectly or even close to that.. so, many expats here just don't bother to learn.. i know people who live here for more than 20 years and they dont know anything about arabic.. just sad..
 
LessPop_MoreFizz
LessPop_MoreFizz
So, need to choose where to put a 4 hour layover and a 1 hour layover between Toronto and Vancouver airports. Flight schedules are such that I can arrange the time on either side. Is one of those better to be sitting around in for an extra three hours?
 
Willeke
Willeke
I have always said that if you move somewhere for more than a few months you should/need to learn to understand the language. And if you live there for more than a year, you need to learn to speak it as well.
@LessPop_MoreFizz, I would not book tickets with just one hour in any of the main airports. Even two hours is pushing it on a busy day in most airports, as far as I understand.
But it seems that you have to have 1 hours in one to get 4 in the other, one way or the other.
 
LessPop_MoreFizz
LessPop_MoreFizz
@Willeke yeah, no other choice but 1 and 4. Just a matter of which.
 
Willeke
Willeke
5:36 PM
I have arrived and left from Toronto, not changed planes, and while I have left from Vancouver, that is so long ago that I do not remember anything from the airport.
So, sorry, no good advice from me.
@Berwyn, are you around?
 
Berwyn
Berwyn
@LessPop_MoreFizz Any airline status?
 
Willeke
Willeke
Hi, :)
 
Berwyn
Berwyn
I'd stay in the airport with the best lounges :)
 
LessPop_MoreFizz
LessPop_MoreFizz
@Berwyn no.
I do 90% of my travel overland. So hotel status out the wazoo, but not much for airlines.
 
Berwyn
Berwyn
It's been a while since I was in Toronto airport, but I don't recall it being anything special. Neither is Vancouver. So I'm ambivalent
That disagrees with me
btw @LessPop_MoreFizz Good to meet a fellow 7580 rep user :)
 
LessPop_MoreFizz
LessPop_MoreFizz
5:51 PM
@Berwyn heh. I've been hovering in that ballpark for years.
Travel.se's typical bailiwick doesn't overlap much with my own oddball patterns.
(I.e. I do little to no air travel or international travel.)
 
Berwyn
Berwyn
What's your typical mode of travel?
 
LessPop_MoreFizz
LessPop_MoreFizz
I drive everywhere for the most part.
 
Berwyn
Berwyn
I'm waiting for self driving cars
 
LessPop_MoreFizz
LessPop_MoreFizz
(I mainly travel for work, and need to carry equipment that is impossible to fly with.)
 
Berwyn
Berwyn
6:07 PM
I hate being forced to drive when I could be doing something else
 
Heidel Ber Gensis
Heidel Ber Gensis
6:26 PM
@Willeke is this the correct pronunciation? youtube.com/watch?v=1IC8iL7UCtQ
we have that sound in arabic, when we write it in english we use "KH"..
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
@mts I've done the frequency analysis, at least a start on it
 
Willeke
Willeke
@HeidelBerGensis Yes, that is the right pronounciation in Dutch.
But KH has never made sense to me.
 
Heidel Ber Gensis
Heidel Ber Gensis
@phoog how is ur answer different than mine? :D
 
Berwyn
Berwyn
I was thinking that myself...
 
Willeke
Willeke
I did not flag it, but I thought it to be a useless thing.
I had been looking at answering the Q, being pretty much local, but I could not add useful information.
 
Berwyn
Berwyn
6:40 PM
It's hard to add much more info to that
 
Zach Lipton
Zach Lipton
let's all answer the question :)
 
Berwyn
Berwyn
Heh
we'll all vote up each other and vote phoog down
 
Heidel Ber Gensis
Heidel Ber Gensis
@ZachLipton you think we never did that? lol.. in winterbash we do that to get some hats..
@Willeke check this: youtube.com/watch?v=YGepfaCpa8c
 
Willeke
Willeke
@HeidelBerGensis, do not tell too much about what to do in the bash, we are here with a potential winner.
 
Zach Lipton
Zach Lipton
oh I've seen questions with at least 6 people all answering the same thing
 
Heidel Ber Gensis
Heidel Ber Gensis
6:43 PM
that's the KH pronounciation in arabic.. is it the same as CH in dutch?
 
Zach Lipton
Zach Lipton
I was, well, traveling, during most of the last bash
 
Willeke
Willeke
No, it is not the same.
It is near, but not the same. But it might be that you need to be Dutch to notice the difference.
 
Heidel Ber Gensis
Heidel Ber Gensis
@Willeke yes..
but for sure closer than "k" or "g"
 
Willeke
Willeke
And the G is different between different parts of the language area.
 
phoog
phoog
@HeidelBerGensis you don't state explicity that the two items in the list denote the same rail station.
 
Willeke
Willeke
6:47 PM
When I walk in somewhere and say 'goedemorgen' (good morning) all Dutch speakers can place me the country.
 
Berwyn
Berwyn
rail?
 
Heidel Ber Gensis
Heidel Ber Gensis
@phoog ok.. i said that in another way..
 
Willeke
Willeke
Yes, it is a rail planner showing options for the airport station. Which is part of the airport building/comples
 
Zach Lipton
Zach Lipton
oh no
I was wrong
 
Berwyn
Berwyn
Even if a city does have two airports, you'll rarely, if ever, find a flight between the two
 
Willeke
Willeke
6:49 PM
Oh, not, you are right, vueling
 
phoog
phoog
@Willeke "kh" is often used because K and the sound in question are both velar consonants, and the sound in question is a fricative, so the H denotes the extra air and friction in the fricative version (as also with ch denoting the same or similar sounds).
 
Berwyn
Berwyn
/me is confused
 
Zach Lipton
Zach Lipton
when a major freeway was closed in los angeles a few years ago some airline was offering special flights between two LA airports, more as a novelty than anything else
 
Heidel Ber Gensis
Heidel Ber Gensis
/me got errand to run..
see ya all
 
Zach Lipton
Zach Lipton
LGB-BUR flights for $4 :)
 
phoog
phoog
6:50 PM
@HeidelBerGensis that wasn't clear to me; you might want to edit your answer. If it had been clear to me I wouldn't have posted my answer.
@Berwyn the images in the question are from the rail planner. If there were two airports both with train stations it would generally be possible to travel from one to the other by rail.
 
Berwyn
Berwyn
Ah
Good job I didn't answer the question then!
 
Zach Lipton
Zach Lipton
I like how absolutely nobody has tried to close the Russian prostitution question for illegal activity, when usually people are jumping to close for that reason
 
Willeke
Willeke
As @HeidelBerGensis is out for a bit, I took the freedom to add to his answer.
 
Berwyn
Berwyn
Is it illegal to ask if something is legal?
 
Zach Lipton
Zach Lipton
we have a brand new meta on it too
0
Q: Question interested in illegal prostitution

FiksdalIn this question OP is asking about prostitution in Russia. At first I thought the reason OP was interested in the red light district because he thought it might be dangerous and wanted to avoid it. But then I saw that people in the comments started advising OP to look for prostitutes online and...

discussion legal
 
Willeke
Willeke
6:54 PM
It is not illegal to ask about something without knowing whether it is legal.
@phoog Lets move that Schiphol pronounciation discussion here, (like I did with @HeidelBerGensis)
Forget about teaching 'british people' as a group or nation to pronounce foreign words properly. When taking about Dutch baking the did not even know to pronounce 'koek' as almost the same as the English
'cook
 
phoog
phoog
@Willeke I don't understand (your comment about "koek").
 
Willeke
Willeke
The made it into two sylibles. Ko - ek.
 
phoog
phoog
I've never heard such a thing.
 
Willeke
Willeke
Sorry, it got broken by hitting the wrong button.
 
phoog
phoog
I've heard people pronounce Dutch "oe" like English "oh"
Hoegaarden is generally "hoe garden" in the US
"hoe" being the farming implement, rhymes with "go" and "snow."
 
Willeke
Willeke
7:00 PM
I have no problem with the 'oh'. It is when they pronounce the letters as separate sounds.
So as an O and an E as separate sounds.
 
phoog
phoog
I've heard that with Piet Mondriaan.
 
Willeke
Willeke
And that happens with UI, EU, IE indeed and so on.
 
phoog
phoog
Pronounced as "pee" plus "et"
 
Willeke
Willeke
Piet sounds almost the same as Pete.
 
phoog
phoog
Believe me, I know. I was named after my great-grandfather Pieter.
 
Willeke
Willeke
7:02 PM
So you are having a Dutch name, but you are not Dutch?
 
phoog
phoog
Define "not Dutch" and I'll answer.
:)
My father left as a child during the war. I am a dual citizen. I learned to speak Dutch as an adult and subsequently lived in Amsterdam for 6 years.
 
Willeke
Willeke
Ah, special case.
 
phoog
phoog
Back to the German-friendly British broadcasters, they typically pronounce UI and EU as German EU or ÄU, which annoys me to no end.
 
Willeke
Willeke
I find it acceptable, and certainly better than two separate sounds.
 
phoog
phoog
My father's mother was also not Dutch, at least not before she married my grandfather.
My problem with "UI" as "ÄU" is that English "ow" is closer and usually cognate, so "De Browne" to me sounds closer. Uit/out, muis/mouse, etc.
It's one of the points in which the two languages are closest; no need to complicate it by saying de broyne (or oyt or moys).
They also tend to palatalize initial "st" like the Germans. Can't think of a name right now, maybe because they didn't qualify :(
 
Willeke
Willeke
7:09 PM
I heard an English speaking captain trying to pronounce IJmuiden from paper (Ferry North Shields (near Newcastle) to IJmuiden (near Amsterdam) and he failed so much that non of the Dutch understood what he was saying.
 
phoog
phoog
Ah yes, it's Wesley Schneider all the time. I knew a kid named Snyder when I was a boy, it's not so hard to say :)
How did he say it?
Idge mooey den?
There's something to be said for the former practice of having separate names for places in each language, though it obviously has its own disadvantages (like how are you supposed to know that Lille and Rijssel are the same place?).
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
 
Willeke
Willeke
The funny thing is that IJmuiden was named that way to go with the English tradition of naming port cities to the water they are on. The IJ being the lake that went from Amsterdam to almost the west coast. And Muiden being equivalent of 'mouth'. They did just not imagine (175 years ago now,) that foreigners would come and anounce the name in the ferry.
Yes, I guess that Idge Mooey den would be close, but I can not be sure anymore. They took the name out of the 'we have arrived' message by the captain.
 
phoog
phoog
Fun trivia fact number one for English speakers new to Amsterdam is that "spui" is not "spooey."
There's a place in NYC called Spuyten Duyvel, which seems to be pronounced with long "I" sounds, like "spite-en dive'll" which is at least consistent with the usual NY pronunciation of "Stuyvesant" as "sty-..."
 
Willeke
Willeke
7:25 PM
I would go for the same vowel sound as muis, but mice would be near enough for me.
 
phoog
phoog
Was the "-mouth" tradition particularly English? It seems there are many examples of it in Germany and the Netherlands.
 
Willeke
Willeke
They claimed the international tradition and gave English samples in the original explanation for th e name, (which was reprinted in the local newspaper when the city was 150 years old.)
 
chx
chx
8:11 PM
it's interesting, the question whether you can enter Canada with an USA ban is heavily upvoted but there's no answer
 
Zach Lipton
Zach Lipton
8:26 PM
and now someone blew up a bomb at IST
 
chx
chx
god
 
JonathanReez
JonathanReez
@GayotFow excellent table! Could you do one for 'UK' tag as well?
43
Q: Did the UK slip to sixth largest world economy from fifth, less than 24 hours after the EU referendum vote?

user568458Some news sources have reported that in the 24 hours after the UK's results on the EU referendum came through, the UK dropped from 5th largest economy in the world, to 6th, being overtaken by France. For example, this headline in the Metro: France overtakes UK as fifth largest economy as pou...

economics united-kingdom france
the amount of illogical fearmongering from the 'good' and 'smart' side of the campaign is astonishing
@ZachLipton isn't this the "new norm" for Turkey by now?.. Similar to how there were bombings in Israel every week 15 years ago
 
Zach Lipton
Zach Lipton
increasingly so, but the airport is scary. TK does a lot of international-to-international transit business for people who aren't even interested in visiting Turkey
 
JonathanReez
JonathanReez
Although it'd be sad to see IST affected - one of the best airports out there, along with one of the most open visa policies in the world
 
Zach Lipton
Zach Lipton
I wasn't that impressed with IST, but I've only been there once. The arrivals area was a madhouse
I didn't go through international departures there though, so not in a great position to judge
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
9:10 PM
@JonathanReez the point being...
@JonathanReez that proposals having to do with 'schengen' in reaction to the June volume need to consider that it's the seasonal peak.
LOL, and you guys forgot to think about that :)
 
Zach Lipton
Zach Lipton
the stuff in the community wiki is good, but looking through them to try to ensure the canonical answers are top notch is something we should take on too
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
As a percent of total questions, 'schengen' questions are decreasing!
@MarkMayo has cleared the first hurdle for a gold 'usa' badge!!
Everybody please congratulate him!
 
Zach Lipton
Zach Lipton
on the way to an American hammer
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
@ZachLipton there's a good lad
@ZachLipton A much more challenging task is to define 'duplicate' with respect to 'schengen'
 
Zach Lipton
Zach Lipton
true, since many questions could be asked with regard to every single schengen state
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
9:25 PM
There are 15,000+ ways to ask about a schengen refusal
not considering OP gender
@ZachLipton In reality there are only about 2 schengen refusals on topic
And the UK refusals have about 14 reasons all total
 
Zach Lipton
Zach Lipton
there are a few that are distinct because they're particularly interesting or humorous :)
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
@ZachLipton do you have an example?
 
Zach Lipton
Zach Lipton
not offhand, just sometimes we get someone who really doesn't get it or has become convinced of something illogical
 
chx
chx
@JonathanReez: the amount of illogical fearmongering from the 'good' and 'smart' side of the campaign is astonishing. Well. What about I am genuinely afraid of what happens if the EU falls apart? Specifically, I am afraid of a new war between Germany and France in our lifetime, no matter how implausible that sounds.
This is not fear mongering, this is simply based on history.
 
Zach Lipton
Zach Lipton
indeed. and on a smaller scale, the possibility for a return to violence in Northern Ireland is something not to screw with
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
9:39 PM
@ZachLipton there are some who want to submit a fresh application immediately
 
chx
chx
Yes, there was an excellent analysis of brexit on Friday which simply said, the Sinn Fein already called for a unification vote but the protestants will have a few words (and bullets) about that
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
they are the sad ones
 
Zach Lipton
Zach Lipton
I understand it. I mean if you're refused, you don't want to hear "try to improve the circumstances of your life in various ways that could take years or may never happen"
you want to be told that you need to write these magic words and they'll accept you
 
Berwyn
Berwyn
"Try to visit 20 other countries for short holidays to prove you're a regular traveller"
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
@ZachLipton That's good insight. Some people just do not get it.
 
Zach Lipton
Zach Lipton
9:45 PM
"Try not to be a single young man from a high-risk country with limited savings or other ties." Yeah it's understandable people can't really act on that advice
 
JonathanReez
JonathanReez
@ZachLipton honestly, often it's better to think of saving the money rather than blowing it all on a trip to Europe...
so the consulates are actually doing the person a favor
 
Zach Lipton
Zach Lipton
that's a fair point, but people obviously don't see it that way
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
@ZachLipton If you do not put your own eyeballs on the refusal notice, your advice will be generic at best. People will give any reason
 
JonathanReez
JonathanReez
What if it's meta-fear-mongering, where the people's expectation of a potential war is being used for political manipulation?

France and Germany won't go to war because France can wipe out half of Germany in 1 day now, not because of the EU...
 
chx
chx
we have seen quite a few "strange wars" recently
 
JonathanReez
JonathanReez
9:51 PM
such as?
 
chx
chx
Crimea, Ukraine
I am sure President Marine Le Pen could get some ideas from her buddy, President Putin...
 
JonathanReez
JonathanReez
Crimea is a direct result of Kiev giving up nukes in 1994...
 
Zach Lipton
Zach Lipton
I thought it's a direct result of the return of Russian imperialism
 
JonathanReez
JonathanReez
Yes, but it wouldn't have happened if Kiev had a few rockets aimed at Moscow, with a high chance of hitting the target
same reason why all of us survived the Cold War
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
@JoErNanO can I ask a question about waterproofing a day bag for my Hastings tour?
 
Zach Lipton
Zach Lipton
10:00 PM
given the challenges Kiev has had with, well, government since 1994, there's some reason to think we should all be glad they didn't have nukes
even at the expense of Crimea
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
Also I need new wellies,
Also -->> anybody? What is the proper name for those waistcoats that have many pockets?
 
Berwyn
Berwyn
For flying?
 
chx
chx
Carry on vests?
Hunting vests?
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
Like for tough guys, for fishing and hunting, macho sportsman stuff
 
chx
chx
Simply hunting vests
Oh wait waistcoasts...?
 
Berwyn
Berwyn
10:04 PM
Sounds right
I was thinking of poacher's jackets
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
waistcoat or vest
 
Berwyn
Berwyn
or how to fly ryanair with carry-on luggage and 45kg in your pockets
 
chx
chx
Never heard of a poacher's jacket. I am just an uncouth barbarian :)
Berwyn, the best of those stories when someone had like five layers of clothing and passed out from the heat
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
I am thinking about getting one for a tour
 
Zach Lipton
Zach Lipton
my favorite are the stories where an 80 year old shows up at the security checkpoint with a fifth of vodka and decides to drink it all rather than give it up
I've seen at least a couple of those
 
Berwyn
Berwyn
10:06 PM
Who wouldn't drink it?!
 
Zach Lipton
Zach Lipton
people who get sick at the checkpoint and end up never getting on the flight as a result
(i.e. not Russians)
 
Berwyn
Berwyn
lightweight
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
I have seen Russians get so drunk they forgot they were actually flying that day
 
mts
mts
@GayotFow please see my updated Q on meta
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Q: Schengen overview CW to avoid duplicates

mtsWe are getting a lot of Visa questions here and the high number of already existing questions and answers makes it hard to keep track at times. My feeling after being on the site for a while is that user @GayotFow does an excellent job at keeping the UK-visa questions sorted, due to extraordina...

discussion duplicates
 
Zach Lipton
Zach Lipton
@mts nice justification!
my understanding is that if you drink it that fast, you'll get sick long before your body absorbs the alcohol and does real damage, but apparently it didn't work for this guy
 
mts
mts
10:11 PM
I hope that gets you on board!
 
chx
chx
I have a 19.5" LCD monitor in my backpack. Pocket that if you can.
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
@mts This starts to show some analysis, great improvement :)
@mts I hope you are in agreement! It's not about me getting on board, it's about moving a crap question into an interesting question
 
mts
mts
Honestly I don't think the motivation should depend on quantity but rather quality but I see that helps as an argument. Let me know what else is needed to make the question more convincing if you don't mind
seen the one about seasonality (also present in the plot) but I'm not sure what it gives, point is to find dupes easily, no?
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
@mts The "ROOT" issue about Schengen is to define what is a duplicate. Then you're home free
It is a difficult question actually.
 
Berwyn
Berwyn
I must admit I'm unclear on what a "duplicate" is. There seems to be many questions flagged as duplicates that I don't agree with
especially when they're flagged as duplicates of a mega QA with 15 answers and the answer is supposed to be "in there somewhere"
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
10:25 PM
Can you recognize a 'funds parking' question when you see it?
 
Berwyn
Berwyn
I think so, now
 
mts
mts
Well clearly the point is not to hammer every new Q but to identify the canonicals and have them handy
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
@Berwyn right!
 
mts
mts
i.e. to know where to search for the posts with good answers
you might have found that I am rather against easily closing Qs as dupes if they are not
 
Berwyn
Berwyn
I just think it would be good to have canonicals with single answers
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
10:27 PM
@mts in your answer, you can add a first dot point: where and when to apply
 
Berwyn
Berwyn
that answer specific questions, not questions the size of the roman empire with answers the size of wikipedia
 
mts
mts
In fact this Q made me create the meta post, see my comments here
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Q: I changed my travel plans after entering the Schengen area. Will this cause me trouble with immigration?

A_AlrumaidhI have issued a Schengen visa from the Italian embassy for tourism. In the visa application, I declared that I will enter Germany first, and then I will stay the longest in Italy. I'm in Germany now, but I won't be able to visit Italy. My travel plans have changed and I will now be leaving the S...

visas schengen customs-and-immigration legal change-purpose-of-travel
@GayotFow please do add that point to the CW, I am not as well-versed as you to point out the right posts
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
@mts that one is not a duplicate
 
mts
mts
Which is exactly the point I made, see my comments under the Q
 
phoog
phoog
@Berwyn I'm with you. I think the canoncal questions should be more focused. Many are unwieldy. Why not just have a question "What are the rules for Schengen visas," an answer that reproduces the Schengen Visa Code, the Schengen Borders Code, and the visa Handbook verbatim, and close all Schengen questions as duplicates.
 
Berwyn
Berwyn
10:32 PM
right
I'd like one for timatic, with a few nice walk throughs and screenshots
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
@mts @Relaxed would have hammered it if it were a duplicate, so it's not a duplicate
@mts @JonathanReez @phoog you guys should do one for the UK also
 
mts
mts
Ideally the CW would streamline the creation of better canonicals
@GayotFow you would be the single person most qualified here to suggest and start such a CW for uk-visa, I won't touch your turf
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
@mts I spend a lot of time in chat encouraging others to answer.
build up their rep
 
mts
mts
In any case, it's getting late folks, have a good night and gotta be productive tomorrow.
 
Berwyn
Berwyn
g'night
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
10:37 PM
but the results are disappointing
 
mts
mts
@GayotFow you did help me on one and that was great. might do again one day with more time
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
@mts I can tell you the answer in chat just like I did with @Willeke
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
11:32 PM
@MarkMayo @JoErNanO we are coming to the end of the bonanza. Any ideas for the 30th to have it conclude on a BIG bang-up day?
 
Zach Lipton
Zach Lipton
I'm clocking in at a pathetic 3 bounties, need more
 
JonathanReez
JonathanReez
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Q: Can I apply for a Schengen visa at a country where I'm not a citizen? If so, under what conditions?

JonathanReezI'm a citizen of country A who would like to apply for a Schengen visa at a consulate in country B. When is this possible?

visas schengen residency
canonical-intended, please don't close-vote
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
@ZachLipton three? That's piss poor performance.
 
Zach Lipton
Zach Lipton
indeed
 
Gayot Fow
Gayot Fow
@JonathanReez are you going to include normal residency?
 
Zach Lipton
Zach Lipton
11:38 PM
I first went to upvote that question, then realized it's technically a pretty bad question. But I'm not downvoting. I'll wait for the answer :)
ok now I'm at a merely piss poor 4 bounties
 
JonathanReez
JonathanReez
@GayotFow The answer boils down to "You must be more than a tourist/business visitor, or have extraordinary circumstances"
+ there are exceptions for Annex II nationals, but those are for Type D visas
not sure what you mean by normal residency?
@mts a small query which shows the most duped Schengen questions: data.stackexchange.com/travel/query/505667/…
The Schengen transit question has been duped for more than 600 times!
 
Zach Lipton
Zach Lipton
normal residency as in, say, "I'm an Indian citizen but I've lived in the US for the past 30 years and have US permanent residency. Can I apply for my short-term Schengen visa in the US or do I have to go all the way to India?"
 
JonathanReez
JonathanReez
yes, basically all of situations where you're not a local citizen
very common question with no canonical
 
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