So, let's have a look at these. Specifically, you accused me of the following:

and

Your "rape joke" links to this:

So I have no idea what you're talking about. There was mention of rape jokes further down in the transcript, maybe that's what you were referring to:

So yeah, in February 2014 I considered rape jokes not acceptable in any chat room. No change there. Still feel the same way.

Next, you said I considered calling someone fag was acceptable. Let's check the transcript:

I am indeed defending the practice of calling a friend of mine that. You'll note that I never actually did it, only discussed it to make a point. You should also, however, note that this was a time when the chat moderation policy was far less strict and far less clear than it is now.

The idea of "room cultures" was much more accepted. It isn't anymore. Largely because of incidents like this one you linked to and the various times rooms like Mos or the C++ lounge have melted down.

But yes, at that time, it was relatively accepted that different rooms have different cultures. Note the comment by Grace Note (a CM) further down:

So, back then, the whole "different culture" idea was still a thing. It isn't any more because too many people have abused it to defend truly unpleasant conversations.

The final one you mentioned was this:

No defense there. You're absolutely right, that sort of thing would not be acceptable today. That, again, was not the case then. The rule at the time was that directing profanity at someone else in the room is not acceptable, but it's OKish to do so for a third person.

Again, that changed and this wouldn't be acceptable today. Largely because of the, uhm, heated political discussions about the US election that were had in Mos.

So, of the three messages you quoted, one is completely irrelevant, one represents my view of 3 years ago when the rules were different and one is indeed a message I posted then which was in poor taste.

However, none of these actually "brought negative attention" to the room I was in (either they went completely unnoticed like the one about that politician, or the room had already had its meltdown and we were discussing the aftermath).

Most importantly, however, none of them happened since the new chat moderation policy.

None of them happened in a room whose regulars had repeatedly been given warnings to control themselves.

@Axelord see above

@terdon Now, here's the thing: I agree with you on these points. My issue is, as I stated, that you came in guns blazing, ready to condemn, but didn't take a look at yourself first. Your room has had issues as well. It hasn't gotten ubersmurfs coming in like gangbusters. We have been an explosive room for some time, but we've improved immeasurably and we get none of the credit for it. What we do get is constantly watched with a microscope to be set off and frozen for common idiocy.

The fact that one of the two people doing something dumb happened to be condemned outside of policy previous to that, by the same guy whose appearances always spell doom, only makes it more important to take a step back.

And taking a step back should always be the first step in these things.

Lest you explode and make everything worse for everyone.

Look to the room "Spades" before responding, please.

You can see it and the conversation, while others can't anymore.

@Axelord Excellent. Now, actually, I didn't come in guns blazing at all. I didn't even really come in, as such. It was you who accused me of behaving in "worse ways" whith no evidence to back it up. That's guns blazing. As you can see above, none of the evidence you ended up producing is actually relevant.

First because, well, apart from the one use of asshole, none of them were examples of me doing anything wrong, but examples of me defending actions that are today considered wrong.

As for your being under the microscope, well that's what you get when you spend a few years being a source of friction. Not you personally, the room.

Most importantly though, you are forgetting that the chat policy changed. Precisely because of this sort of thing. So bringing up examples from years ago is even less relevant than it might have been.

(sorry about the multiple pings, I couldn't take my typos staring at me like that)

@terdon It's alright. And I dearly wish I was under a microscope personally, because at least then people would take me seriously. The reaction is worse than the initial action, and all it's doing is pushing us toward leaving SE for our chat needs. That's not a situation anyone should want.

We clean our roads, we talk people down. Hell, the person who Shog notes as being a mod trying to talk things down was just another user for 90% of her time here. She's always done that.

If they want to just get rid of chat, fine. We have each other's emails, we can make it work and no one will be bothered to do their jobs.

But to flat out change the rules when they never abided by them in the first place is ridiculous. To blow up a room because of two people going overboard and being handled as per the guidelines is ridiculous, and having a 3 day argument with someone in a room called "Spades" wherein you admit that you're not actually doing anything for the good of any individual group -- that's ridiculous.