Puzzling 2017 Moderator Election Chat

1:20 AM

A quick question

Do I have to pick third choice?

I don't think you have to, but if your first two votes aren't needed it usually falls down to your 3rd, or some mechanic like that

A J

Ok

stack reader

1:44 AM

The suspense is killing me. I can't wait 8 days like this haha

Rubio

2:31 AM

@AJ Possibly it was just a timing thing, but - I cast votes 1 & 2, waited a couple minutes, and still didn't get the badge for participating in the election voting. I cast the 3rd vote and it triggered more or less immediately.

stack reader

Possiblly you need to cast all 3 votes for the badge. Or you didn't wait long enough. I think the badge script is run like once per 10 minutes

ffao

2:44 AM

I picked only 1st choice and got the badge

Probably a delay with the badge script as Rubio said

A J

3:15 AM

@Rubio I got the badge after picking two choices.

Rubio

Welp. I guess that settles that, then :)

A J

@stackreader Talking about suspense, we waited for almost 2 years for filmmakers to reveal a suspense in a movie. Guess it was the biggest suspense.

Techidiot

3:50 AM

Haha.. @AJ

stack reader

4:05 AM

when the election is over, will we see how much vote each of us got?

A J

@Techidiot You got it?

Mithrandir

4:59 AM

@stackreader yes.

stack reader

@Mithrandir ok thanks.

Rubio

@Mithrandir Where is that shown anyway? I tried to find it in the last election results page and all I saw was the links to download the data.

Mithrandir

@Rubio there should be a link to somewhere, let me see if I can find it in the next 2 minutes

@Rubio opavote.org/results/4856922670891008/0

It's linked in the meta announcement.

Rubio

ah. cool

Thanks

stack reader

417 votes... wonder if we really gonna get that many.

Rubio

5:18 AM

Something is weird

A J

@Rubio what?

Rubio

581 Constituent badges have been awarded

165 are for the current election

that leaves 416 from the prior one

but 417 votes were cast then

A J

ohh

Rubio

I THOUGHT EVERY VOTE COUNTS. ;)

A J

This badge is just for voting. Doesn't matter how many you've voted for.

Rubio

5:20 AM

You get one for the current election, even if you had one before

Anyway - so far, 165 votes cast this election. That's a decent number for being 9-ish hours in, I would think

stack reader

perhaps one account was deleted and the badge vanished along with it.

Rubio

5:37 AM

last election, based on badge awards:
165 votes in hours 0-3.
218 in hours 0-11.
260 in the first 24 hours.
303 in the first 48 hours.
395 in the first 72 hours.
416 total.

plus or minus 1 or 2 per time interval; the numbers were changing on me there :)

Techidiot

5:55 AM

@AJ Oh yes, just watched it last weekend.

A J

@Techidiot Yeah, I did too.

Techidiot

I liked it more than the previous one considering the cinematography and story.

A J

Yeah same

stack reader

What movie?

A J

Baahubali 2 The Conclusion.

Techidiot

5:58 AM

@stackreader It's called Bahubali.

And that's the second part ^

A J

@Techidiot Which language did you watch this movie in?

Baahubali 2: The Conclusion

Baahubali 2: The Conclusion (English: The One With Strong Arms: The Conclusion) is a 2017 Indian historical fiction film co-written and directed by S. S. Rajamouli. The film was produced by Tollywood studio Arka Media Works. It is the continuation of Baahubali: The Beginning, taking place before and after the events of that film. It was originally made in both Telugu and Tamil languages and dubbed into Hindi, Malayalam, German, French, Japanese and English. The film stars major actors from Tollywood industry with Prabhas, Anushka Shetty, Rana Daggubati and Sathyaraj in lead roles. Initially, both...

Techidiot

@AJ Hindi.

A J

@Techidiot OK. I also watched it in Hindi. But I am thinking of availing it in Telugu as well.

Whenever it is available on home media.

incesterror21

Sounds like you have a lot of different languages

A J

@incesterror21 There are 18 official languages.

Techidiot

6:00 AM

@incesterror21 1652 to be exact :p

stack reader

I feel so out of the loop lol. "Major stars".. I don't know a single one >.<...

A J

@incesterror21 ^^

incesterror21

I suppose that depends on your exact location

A J

yes, it does.

Techidiot

@incesterror21 In a single state, language changes(somwhat) every 50 kms..approx.

A J

6:02 AM

This movie is dubbed into many other languages.

Techidiot

@stackreader That's a south Indian movie.. It's called Tollywood movie.

incesterror21

Tollywood like Hollywood and Bollywood or is Tollywood actually the name?

Techidiot

Yeah. Like Hollywood,Bollywood.

Rubio

"originally made in both Telugu and Tamil languages" - same actors, different languages? so, like, they shoot every scene once in each language?

Techidiot

@Rubio They shoot in one language and dub in multiple

Rubio

6:04 AM

well yeah I got that, but it said it was originally made in those two.

A J

@Rubio No. Those actors gave their voices for both Telugu and Tamil version. They shoot the scenes in one language.

Techidiot

But, they had quite high budget and could have done that way as well...

Rubio

Ohh. got it

incesterror21

I think Mel Gibson did that with madmax

A J

6:19 AM

Morning @Marius

Techidiot

All, What does this mean - Count after transferring surplus votes

Here is the source

A J

dunno

incesterror21

Maybe it means 2nd and third votes of those who don't have their #1 in the list anymore (bcs they dropped after round 1)

Techidiot

Here's a nice explanation

Marius

6:53 AM

@AJ Mornin'

Rubio

7:05 AM

I like this explanation for some reason. ;)

Techidiot

Haha.. Nice ;)

ffao

of course, claims that this system eliminates incentives for voters to not express their true opinions are bogus, as this is mathematically impossible:

Gibbard–Satterthwaite theorem

In social choice theory, the Gibbard–Satterthwaite theorem is a result published independently by philosopher Allan Gibbard in 1973 and economist Mark Satterthwaite in 1975. It deals with deterministic electoral systems that choose a single winner. It states that for every voting rule, one of the following three things must hold: The rule is dictatorial, i.e. there exists a distinguished voter who can choose the winner; or The rule limits the possible outcomes to two alternatives only; or The rule is susceptible to tactical voting: there are conditions under which for some voter, a sincere ballot...

for example, in the last election, it was clear that Emrakul and Deusovi would win by a landslide; therefore, it would be optimal to pick your third choice as the first option

but then of course, if everyone thinks this way, then it might happen that Emrakul and Deusovi don't get elected at all!

Sid

7:51 AM

Hm, @rubio so you ran in the Republican primary? :P

Sid

8:03 AM

Hmm, I am a bit torn on who to vote for among our candidates..

Marius

it's simple...vote for me

:D

A J

lol

boboquack

@Sid Voting is not compulsory :P

A J

Well, I ended up selecting only two.

Marius

I'm curious who's the second one you chose :D

A J

8:12 AM

Do you know who is the first one? :P

Sid

Humph. People have already watched Baahubali 2.

A J

:O

You didn't watch it yet?

I can't afford to.

lack of time?

Yes. Primary reason.

8:18 AM

Well, it is going to run for one or two weeks more. You can still watch it.

Sid

Still. Not long enough. I would have time only after 1st week of June.

A J

I wonder what kind of job you do. May I ask?

Sid

Yes. It is called "being a student"

Marius

@AJ Isn't it obvious?

A J

@Sid Ohh

@Marius lol

Sid

8:21 AM

Hm, now who do I vote for? Everyone strikes me with enough confidence that they would do well

@Sid semester exams?

@Sid Ask for bribes

haha

@marius bribe me! Go up vote some of my posts. :P

@AJ high school student(rather just completed high school).

A J

Hmm. OK.

Sid

8:30 AM

@marius I am probably going to steal your idea and make that logic grid puzzle about mods.

Marius

@Sid I will upvote it :)

Mithrandir

8:44 AM

@Sid everyone?

A J

9:04 AM

@Marius I guess it becomes obvious when you're known across the sites, but not in this case.

Sid

@mith almost everyone.

user61230

@Sid Sid: "There are no people in the world who would not make good moderators."

user61230

;)

boboquack

@ Sid Sid (^^) - just perfect

(Does anyone have a unicode no-width space I could copy?)

Sid

Well, yeah. The hard part is to make a choice.

Glorfindel

9:09 AM

Voting for the right candidates is kind of a puzzle in itself.

Marius

@AJ IT WAS A JOKE

A J

I wasn't serious though.

Mithrandir

9:38 AM

@Marius the funniest jokes are those that l

Are treated as serious by other people

Techidiot

@boboquack I have it in case you didn't got it already

A J

I am tired of seeing didn't got and did got everywhere.

boboquack

^ @Tech but edit period for @ Sid Sid has already expired :P

Techidiot

Oh. . :D

@Sid You better watch it in a movie hall else do not unless you can grab a nice home theater.

user61230

@AJ I didn't got a "did got" when I did got that "didn't got your stuff" email earlier.

Glorfindel

9:50 AM

I didn't got that joke.

A J

@Emrakul That was some serious tongue-twister.

user61230

@Glorfindel I can deliver it as a signing telegram.

Glorfindel

Where I live, they stopped that service a few years ago. They didn't got enough business to keep it going.

A J

@Emrakul chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=did+got&user=&room=

Mithrandir

Ouch, I didn't got a chance to stop this nonsense :(

A J

9:52 AM

@Mithrandir But now you did got. ;)

user61230

You didn't got a chance if I did got a chance to take away your chance to did got a chance to didn't-got "did got."

3

user61230

r/wordavalanches wants a word with us.

A J

Ufff

Mithrandir

And I am convinced that @Emrak doesn't sleep.

user61230

@Mithrandir Wellllll, uhhh, hmm, errrr. [ducks behind a corner]

Mithrandir

9:56 AM

user61230

Yes, quite.

user61230

Mithrandir

👍

A J

@Emrakul Try creating similar sentence using null.

user61230

@AJ error in function create_sentence_using(string t): invalid memory address or null pointer dereference

A J

10:01 AM

lol

@Emrakul Didn't you try string replace?

Mithrandir

Oh great, now I have the duck song stuck in my head

user61230

@Mithrandir I'd like to point out that the original image of Gandalf looked very serious and grim, but when I shrunk it down it just looks like he's rolling his eyes.

user61230

@AJ :P

A J

Or was it index out of bound exception? ;-)

I may be failing at making a joke.

Mithrandir

🙄

user61230

10:08 AM

@AJ I just don't think I allocated enough space to process this one.

A J

@Emrakul Did you allocate space at run time or compile time?

user61230

@AJ Run time. Current run time is ~16-17 hours, so I'm running out of space. I have a write-to-disk cron job scheduled for about an hour from now.

user61230

(I don't really allocate so much as ask very nicely for as much as I can get on startup and hope I get lots.)

A J

Hmm. I didn't understand last one.

user61230

4:07 PM

@Marius I've gotta admit, a statement from your Q&A caught my attention, and... kind of stuck in my head a bit. I wanted to ask a follow-up question.

user61230

You said that "passive-aggressiveness and snarky responses are 2 of the ways you can tell someone they are wrong" - and that you probably wouldn't do anything without there being a clear indication of violent language.

user61230

Do you think there's ever a point at which passive aggressiveness violates Be Nice, or starts to hurt the community?

user61230

I ask this question, because in my experience, passive aggression might not be violent language, but it sure can make the receipt feel terrible.

user61230

(And historically, I've deleted nearly all the passive aggressiveness in comments I've seen.)

n_palum

That's a really good question :O

Marius

4:26 PM

Good question indeed. Of course passive aggressiveness can lead to violent language.but if you do it smart it doesn't have to. I guess it depends on the person doing it

user61230

I guess, here's a case example. Suppose someone posts...:

user61230

> A better puzzle writer wouldn't have made the solution so arbitrary.

user61230

...and nobody responds to it. It just sort of sits there. And the OP doesn't come back.

Marius

And about making the receipt feel terrible....well ... some people get offended easier than others. Sime people will get offended if you bluntly say their puzzles/solutions suck.

Again it depends on the person. If i would have got that answer I would go with "this is the best puzzler i can be. Take it or nove along"

Sorry for responding slow. On the phone and i have fat fingers

user61230

No worries, that's fine!

user61230

4:34 PM

So to be clear, in your view, if the language isn't downright threatening or violent, the onus is on the individual to not be offended by harsh and/or passive-aggressive criticism?

incesterror21

@Emrakul I agree, passive aggressive comments can keep the ball rolling until something worse happens

Marius

I guess that's what i am saying in a nutshell.

n_palum

I think it's up to the other people's discretion to decide what they think about it. Whether or not they feel it is too much or not

incesterror21

So why not remove it, just to be safe

Marius

I knew that answer will bite me on the ass

incesterror21

4:38 PM

Was that a passive aggressive comment?

Marius

I have an example too. Tell me this does not deserve a snarky comment puzzling.stackexchange.com/questions/50892/…

incesterror21

Maybe you have a different understanding of snarky

Snarky is something negative/slightly offensive, right?

user61230

I worry that this might not follow the first point of the Be Nice policy - that rudeness and belittling language are not okay.

n_palum

That's a snarky (but not really, more of a sarcastic joke) comment towards another comment (that was also a joke)

Marius

In my defence...maybe I am wrong because I grew up with groups of friends where everyone was making fun of everyone but nobody tiok it seriously

And i got used to this too much

n_palum

4:42 PM

@Marius That's not really being snarky (I tend to do the same thing), that's more of general friendly, sometimes sarcastic, banter

incesterror21

That way of humour is hard to make clear online

You bugger

Marius

I understand snarky as a joke meant for someone in particular

n_palum

and no comment deserves responses

Marius

Come on....that one deserved a comment

user61230

@Marius Well, see my example above as a case of what I'm talking about.

incesterror21

4:45 PM

@Marius a comment yes, but as I said, it's hard to transport your intention

Marius

@Emrakul i explained what i would do in that case

n_palum

It is easy to comment/respond to, and they "set themselves up" for a joke, but I'd still stand that most things don't deserve responses

Marius

@incesterror21 ok. I will make it clear here. My intention is not to offend people. It is to laugh at everything and everyone I can including myself keeping the decency limit

incesterror21

Good attitude!

Marius

For some reason i come out of this chat as the school bully. I am not like that. I have limits

incesterror21

4:48 PM

Try using smilies, it makes it a lot easier

Marius

If sometimes i go over them... i am sorry. I am doing it just to see where they are

n_palum

@Marius I'm not at all implying you're a school bully! I was just trying to explain that I think the wording could be different

incesterror21

"I would have never guessed it, as I am color blind." I've seen such comments around here and sometimes I was about to leave a snarky comment. But I wasn't sure how much it would hurt the other person.

I guess it's always better to step back if your're not 100% sure.

It's so much more fun to comment though

Marius

great example and here is why

I am color blind and i love a good color blind joke /answer / comment. I dont get ifdended because i am not 12 anymore

incesterror21

Good to know, makes you a lot nicer!

n_palum

4:52 PM

@Marius There are younger people here just sayin'

incesterror21

But tbh I would've never guessed so

Marius

Isnt there an age limit to join se network?

user61230

I'm not really talking about jokes. I'm talking about comments like "if this is the real solution, then the puzzle is stupid."

incesterror21

Toxic comments?

Marius

Well...in that case i was right.

user61230

4:54 PM

I've never really been talking about jokes or banter. This question originated from question 8 of the election q&a.

Marius

And i said the puzzle is stupid not the op

incesterror21

Well we understand you perfectly. It's just that other might not

So is it worth to take the risk?

Especially when you're trying to be moderate

Marius

That's for the voters to decide. I am not going to put a fake mask in order to become moderator. If i am not fit i shouldn't be moderator

incesterror21

I support that attitude

user61230

So, my follow-up question on that would be, well... The Be Nice page says rudeness and belittling language aren't okay. What counts as rudeness/belittling to you? Can you give examples?

user61230

5:02 PM

I don't have much time to respond right now, but I'll read later. Seeya!

Marius

Let me put it this way... i dont agree with verbal violence and public humiliation in the community..... I have nothing against impersonal swearing.... i also think that people are not special snowflakes and that i should not be extremely politically correct not to upset them

n_palum

I can agree with that

Mithrandir

@Marius 13

@Marius but the OP created the puzzle. Belittling the puzzle is belittling the author - that's not necessary. Just give advice on how to improve, there's no call for comments like 'this puzzle is stupid'.

incesterror21

7:45 PM

Too bad, no lazy link

Deusovi

→ 196 messages moved to Puzzling Healthy Debate Room

Marius

I'm going to call it a night. Good night everyone.

Rubio

I dunno - I'm half tempted to say it should stay here, where people interested in more information about candidates might find it

n_palum

G'night Marius

Deusovi

Hm, fair point.

humn

7:46 PM

@Marius, I won't retract my vote because you're too gentle.

But it wouldn't hurt to have an even gentler touch when interacting with someone unfamiliar who hasn't clearly invited rougher play, especially from a position of authority.

Everyone has surprising insecurities/vulnerabilities of the moment and they don't necessarily need to be toughened in every possible way right away just because a puzzle is at stake.

3

I was surprised once when you seemed to suspect that a certain compliment might've been sarcastic. (Then I gladly said it was sincere.)

So now I know to compliment you, in particular, indirectly and let you figure it out.

(Off to edit my recent compliment.)

Sid

Trust humn to come up with one of the most articulate responses to these types of discussions.

n_palum

For the most part

@Rubio They can see it was moved there at least.

humn

8:06 PM

Rhetorical ps. Marius, did you fall for it when I said the compliment was "sincere"? (. . . couldn't resist just now . . . off for real, pleasant dreams!)

n_palum

9:06 PM

May not be relevant any more, but the votes under nomination got skewed.

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