Jelly Hypertraining

1
1 2 1
1 2 3 2 1
1 2 3 4 3 2 1
1 2 3 4 5 4 3 2 1
1 2 3 4 5 6 5 4 3 2 1
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1

And now this:

1
1 2 1
1 2 3 2 1
1 2 3 4 3 2 1
1 2 3 4 5 4 3 2 1
1 2 3 4 5 6 5 4 3 2 1
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
1 2 3 4 5 6 5 4 3 2 1
1 2 3 4 5 4 3 2 1
1 2 3 4 3 2 1
1 2 3 2 1
1 2 1
1

caird coinheringaahing

Mr. Xcoder

How long did it take you to generate that ^?

caird coinheringaahing

6:47 PM

From when I proposed the challenge to now

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing In bytes, not in seconds...

caird coinheringaahing

14 bytes

Mr. Xcoder

8 bytes here for:

1
121
12321
1234321
123454321
12345654321
1234567654321
123456787654321
12345678987654321
123456787654321
1234567654321
12345654321
123454321
1234321
12321
121
1

caird coinheringaahing

How about this one:

Mr. Xcoder

Lol

caird coinheringaahing

6:50 PM

So close:

Mr. Xcoder

Pff...

11111111111111111
 222222222222222
 133333333333331
  2444444444442
  1355555555531
   24666666642
   13577777531
    246888642
    135797531
     2468642
     1357531
      24642
      13531
       242
       131
        2
        1

caird coinheringaahing

Nice :P

Mr. Xcoder

12121212121212121
123434343434343
123456565656521
1234567878743
1234567896521
12345678743
12345676521
123456743
123456521
1234543
1234521
12343
12321
123
121
1
1

TBH I have no idea how to center that

@cairdcoinheringaahing We are clearly doing something wrong

caird coinheringaahing

ಠ_ಠ I have:

        9
       898
      78987
     6789876
    567898765
   45678987654
  3456789876543
 234567898765432
12345678987654321
 234567898765432
  3456789876543
   45678987654
    567898765
     6789876
      78987
       898
        9

And now:

12345678987654321
 234567898765432
  3456789876543
   45678987654
    567898765
     6789876
      78987
       898
        9
       898
      78987
     6789876
    567898765
   45678987654
  3456789876543
 234567898765432
12345678987654321

Mr. Xcoder

It should be easy... Since I generate the list needed in 7 bytes...

But of course grid doesn't do what we want ffs

caird coinheringaahing

6:59 PM

\o/ 26 bytes

Mr. Xcoder

I know how to generate the spaces and the array, but I don't know how to concatenate them

ಠ_ಠ

How do you join with an empty string in jelly?

NVM

caird coinheringaahing

ಠ_ಠ Why doesn't Jelly have a center command?

Mr. Xcoder

IDK...

 1
  121
   12321
    1234321
     123454321
      12345654321
       1234567654321
        123456787654321
12345678987654321
 123456787654321
  1234567654321
   12345654321
    123454321
     1234321
      12321
       121
        1

caird coinheringaahing

So close :P

Ugh, mine beats CJam by 1 byte. That's clearly not enough

25 bytes

Mr. Xcoder

I am struggling to make mine shorter, it's horrific.

caird coinheringaahing

7:09 PM

How long is yours?

Mr. Xcoder

I am too embarrassed to reveal.

Listing is 7 bytes, spacing is >>> 25

caird coinheringaahing

What do you mean by "listing"?

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing Generating [1, [1,2,1], [1,2,3,2,1], ..., [1, 2, 1], 1]

I have a feeling our approaches combined would be shorter...

caird coinheringaahing

I managed to get this:

        1
       121
      12321
     1234321
    123454321
   12345654321
  1234567654321
 123456787654321
1
 123456787654321
  1234567654321
   12345654321
    123454321
     1234321
      12321
       121
        1

@Mr.Xcoder Should we reveal, then golf them both?

Mr. Xcoder

Wait.

ARGHHH Jelly why can't 9NR be [-9, -8,... ] instead of []!!!

caird coinheringaahing

7:13 PM

Because that's 9RUN

Mr. Xcoder

\o/ 26 bytes (cc @cairdcoinheringaahing)

caird coinheringaahing

Nice

Mr. Xcoder

You have 25?

caird coinheringaahing

Yes

Mr. Xcoder

Let's reveal and see what we can golf further.

caird coinheringaahing

7:17 PM

Spoiler

Mr. Xcoder

Mine is Spoiler. I already have ideas

24 bytes.

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder 25 bytes

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing 24 bytes spoiler

caird coinheringaahing

23 byte spoiler

Mr. Xcoder

22 byte spoiler

caird coinheringaahing

7:25 PM

All the repeated ŒḄ feel wasted

Mr. Xcoder

22 byte spoiler again.

Well:

ŒḄ
9RÇƤÇḌµ9ḶUNÇA⁶ẋ,µZY

(22)

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, I know :(

Mr. Xcoder

Is Probing Output Cache... a new thingy on TiO?

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder No idea

21 bytes

Mr. Xcoder

What's that r0?

Oh nvm

21 bytes here too now...

@cairdcoinheringaahing Don't you think ,µZY is very wasteful? It is basically pair-zip-join, can't we just map-concatenate-join?

21 one-liner

caird coinheringaahing

7:32 PM

@Mr.Xcoder Yeah, but I can't seem to make it work :(

Mr. Xcoder

Nor do I....

caird coinheringaahing

Also, I think that your latest challenge is the longest a challenge has gone without a Jelly answer this year :P

Mr. Xcoder

You can answer if you want to

@cairdcoinheringaahing Let's post as a CW and we'll see?

I think I gtg soon

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder For the diamond one?

Mr. Xcoder

yes of course

caird coinheringaahing

7:35 PM

Should I post (as CW), or do you want to?

Mr. Xcoder

I will, I have it copied already

But we should be able to get ~18 bytes sometime in the future...

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder If you mean for your alternested challenge, I think everyone (Jellyers) are waiting for Leaky to post his from the Hackathon

@Mr.Xcoder How so?

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing Our code seems redundant, maybe future ideas will improve it.

@cairdcoinheringaahing Erik outgolfed him by 3 bytes.

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder Oh, nice one Erik :P

(don't really want to ping him :P)

ಠ_ಠ I can't believe that J beats Jelly

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing J doesn't beat Jelly, the thing is that we are terrible at Jelly.

caird coinheringaahing

7:40 PM

:P

I wouldn't say terrible, just that we aren't the best :P

Mr. Xcoder

s/aren't the best/among the worst/

:P

caird coinheringaahing

Whatever floats your boat :P I still say you're better than me though

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing I still think you are wrong.

(and I am really, really not being polite BTW).

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder Same here. How about we say we're just as good as each other? :P

Mr. Xcoder

Agreed.

@cairdcoinheringaahing Posted. BTW I just got 20 bytes.

caird coinheringaahing

7:45 PM

What's the 20 byte solution?

Huh. Why did someone downvote?

Mr. Xcoder

Misclick.

(prolly)

@cairdcoinheringaahing It's in the answer now.

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder Nice. You up for another question?

Mr. Xcoder

At least J doesn't beat us anymore

caird coinheringaahing

\o/

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing I would like to, but my parents already sleep and told me to do so as well. Give me some time to go to my bed and prepare for fake sleep and then we'll try another one?

(ping you when I'm back)

caird coinheringaahing

7:48 PM

@Mr.Xcoder Sure. I'll look for some good ones

Are there any tags we are never going to go for?

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing Dunno

caird coinheringaahing

quine or polyglot?

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing I'm back. Note that i will try to shorten my messages as much as possible to avoid many clicks.

@cairdcoinheringaahing yes, avoid those

I have some crazy golfing ideas for the diamond one, waitt.....

caird coinheringaahing

Seems appropriate, given we're golfing :P

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing you should try ^^ too

caird coinheringaahing

7:58 PM

@Mr.Xcoder What, golfing the diamond one?

Mr. Xcoder

Yes.

caird coinheringaahing

No idea what ideas you have, and I can't think of any improvements. I'm narrowing down a default search field for questions though :P

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing Why does 9RŒḄƤµr0⁶ẋ,µZ run, while adding Ḍ doesn't (9RŒḄƤḌµr0⁶ẋ,µZ)?

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder No idea :P

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing 18 bytes: 9RŒḄƤḌµ8r0⁶ẋ,µZŒḄY (MWAHAA exactly 18 bytes)

caird coinheringaahing

8:07 PM

Nice

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing Could you look for challenges while I edit?

@cairdcoinheringaahing Edited.

What tag are you looking for?

U still here? ;-;

Oh hello @LeakyNun

Leaky Nun

hi

Mr. Xcoder

@LeakyNun Do you see immediate golfing techniques here (print this diamond challenge)?

We have 9RŒḄƤḌµ8r0⁶ẋ,µZŒḄY, which seems horrifically redundant

Leaky Nun

don't forget to mark your answer non-competing! :-)

[and delete your input]

Mr. Xcoder

@LeakyNun Is that a thing?

Leaky Nun

8:18 PM

@Mr.Xcoder it is, since the challenge was created before Jelly

Mr. Xcoder

Ok then... Anyway

@LeakyNun Fixed.

Oh I have some ideas now...

Leaky Nun

I have a 12-byter

Mr. Xcoder

@LeakyNun How long does it take you to generate the list of values?

(in bytes)

Leaky Nun

it's hard to count that way

Mr. Xcoder

ok then.

Leaky Nun

8:21 PM

I can say 7

counting in a weird way

Mr. Xcoder

Padding with space is a headache

Leaky Nun

that's 2 bytes for me :P

Mr. Xcoder

ಠ_ಠ

Leaky Nun

you might want to read the comment later

Mr. Xcoder

@LeakyNun Which?

Leaky Nun

8:23 PM

the one I just posted

Mr. Xcoder

Oh.

Let me understand that first.

@_@ RRU

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder No, my parents sent me to bed :o

Mr. Xcoder

@LeakyNun using yours, I got 12 too: 9Rr1z⁶ṚŒBŒḄY. Thanks a loooot!

Leaky Nun

nice

Mr. Xcoder

@LeakyNun Edited.

Leaky Nun

8:32 PM

now you have an extra header :P

Mr. Xcoder

fixed

Leaky Nun

lol

Mr. Xcoder

ಠ_ಠ

@LeakyNun I will try to get 11 without looking at your spoiler first.

@LeakyNun Yupee I got 11 but it's nearly identical now that I look at yours: 9ŒḄr1z⁶ṚŒḄY

Leaky Nun

nice

caird coinheringaahing

@LeakyNun Non-competing no longer exists for newer languages

Mr. Xcoder

8:42 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing This one is blatantly non-competing though

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder Yeah, but non-competing does not exists anymore, unless the author says that challenges must be marked so.

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing The challenge predates the consensus.

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