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1:28 AM
@fejfo probably
@fejfo I can only play 1 game at a time =(
@fejfo Probably possible for $f'>f\circ f$, but I haven't given it any thought
 
 
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3:31 PM
 
@DavidReed: Hello!
This room is for random chats.
=)
 
Ah I see
 
SBA created it, and so now we all converge here for random stuff that does not fit elsewhere.
> Some people using Ambien have engaged in activity such as driving, eating, walking, making phone calls, or having sex and later having no memory of the activity. If this happens to you, stop taking Ambien and talk with your doctor about another treatment for your sleep disorder.
 
Yes. I just recently started it. Was warned about that
 
Oh I see.
Do you take it for the sole purpose of inducing sleep?
 
3:41 PM
Yes
 
So have you ever tried psychological methods to sleep?
 
Sometimes I will use it as an anxiolytic substitute, but that is rare and wasn't the case yesterday
 
(I am not a doctor or a psychologist, by the way. So everything I say is possibly wrong.)
 
I'm not certain what you mean by "psychological methods"
 
Well perhaps you could ask your doctor. I personally use some methods, but that's just me and it doesn't even work all the time.
 
3:43 PM
I will absolutely ask.
I received the 3d printer btw :)
It looks like this site actually has a 3d-printing SE
 
Personally, in my opinion NHS is one of the more reliable sources of medical information (sometimes better than the doctors I can find in my place). So you might want to ask your doctor about the stuff in here:
It includes "Cognitive and behavioural treatments".
 
Ah interesting. I've actually done biofeedback before, but not for sleep
 
I see. Good to ask anyway. For all you know, the doctors in your place might know how to get it to work for you.
@DavidReed Yea I saw that little SE site a while back. But I don't do 3d printing so never really looked around.
 
I also seemed to get a "secret hat" yesterday for no reason
Do you know what these hats are?
 
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Q: Winter Bash 2017 Hats

DavidWell here's the traditional Winter Bash hats post. Same as last year there are two (and only two) answers: one for the secret hats, and one for the regular hats. Remember there are no hats for guessing secret hat triggers, nor one for pinging SE employees. Only edit the secret hat answer wi...

There is another option besides actually getting the usual kind of sleep, namely power-naps.
If you can take power-naps even during the daytime, even very short duration may be sufficient to give you enough rest as normal sleep gives 'normal' people.
 
3:50 PM
interesting
 
For myself, when I want to power-nap, I find a comfortable position (not necessarily on the bed) and shut my eyes and just count natural numbers, trying to focus on the counting and nothing else. At some point I will begin to fall asleep, but I try to keep on counting. At some later point, I usually enter into a half-sleep mode, where I can instantly wake up to anything but yet somehow get a lot of rest from just a few minutes.
 
that seems similar to the "paradoxical intention" in the article
 
Yea it does.
 
sheep counting as well
 
Yea!
I always thought sheep counting was nonsense.
But after I tried my method, I was less skeptical.
 
3:56 PM
You always seem to have legitimate concern for my health. I want you to know I very much appreciate it
 
I am always concerned for the well-being of people I interact with. =)
I often find that doctors don't really know that much after all, and it doesn't help that drug companies are money-minded and don't really care about patients. A major problem today is that there's too much nonsense on the internet to sieve through.
 
That's very true.
All this talk of sleeping is making me tired lol. power-nap sounds good. I will probably hop back on later today.
 
Okay great see you next time!
 
 
5 hours later…
9:08 PM
@DavidReed Viktor Frankel! He was the one who first used that method. Instead of focusing on worries about maybe not being able to sleep, one is directed to assume the determination "I will not let myself sleep!" ... and indeed sleep more readily follows than if one is focusing "I need to sleep! What if I have another sleepless night?" (That's an oversimplification of the approach. Just very glad to encounter the expression "paradoxical intention!"
In psychotherapy, paradoxical intention is the deliberate practice of a neurotic habit or thought, undertaken to identify and remove it. The concept was termed by Dr. Viktor Frankl, the founder of Logotherapy, who advocated for its use by patients experiencing severe forms of anxiety disorders. Used as a counseling technique in which the counselor intensifies the client's emotional state in order to help the client understand the irrationality of the emotional reaction. It is also thought to derive its powerful effectiveness, not from understanding anything, as understanding often lacks the power...
Also, Viktor Frankl was trained as a psychoanalyst and existentialist, and practiced what he termed "logotherapy" long before "cognitive-behavioral-treatment" existed. It's not just a matter of "cognition" or "behavior", but by "It is also thought to derive its powerful effectiveness, not from understanding anything, ...
... as understanding often lacks the power to cause change, but from operating in alignment with and harnessing the power of the universal principle, "What you resist persists." By getting the client/patient to use the power of their will and intention to increase the symptom they've been automatically trying to decrease, resistance disappears, and as a consequence, persistence disappears."
 
10:33 PM
@amWhy I am glad you have reviewed this transcript for details on my comments last night. It has been an interesting puzzle for me today to try and determine what I had meant. The closest thing I can think of would be confirmation bias, which is basically "people see what they expect to see". Yours was more "people reject the unfamiliar".
I think more likely I had been poking you with a stick to see how you reacted. I do this sometimes, to the frustration of my friends and family, to get to know ppl better
As @user21820 mentioned, sometimes it can be difficult to determine how serious I am being
There is actually more I want to say on this subject but will have to be later. Just wanted to clarify this for now after seeing your ping.
 
@DavidReed No worries on my part, @DavidReed! I was merely uncertain about what you were referring to, and never felt any animosity from you. Indeed, we can talk more! Just know that I did not feel offended in any way by any comment you posted here yesterday/today ?
Where's your hat, @Riker?
 
10:59 PM
In finite geometry, the Fano plane (after Gino Fano) is the finite projective plane of order 2, having the smallest possible number of points and lines, 7 each, with 3 points on every line and 3 lines through every point. The standard notation for this plane, as a member of a family of projective spaces, is PG(2,2) where PG stands for "Projective Geometry", the first parameter is the geometric dimension and the second parameter is the order. == Homogeneous coordinates == The Fano plane can be constructed via linear algebra as the projective plane over the finite field with two elements. One can...
@SimplyBeautifulArt this and projective geometry in general
so beautiful
 

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