SE Podcast

Madonna - Frozen (Official Music Video)

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8:06 PM

original.livestream.com/stackexchange

Just in case that s.tk link doesn't work for some reason

Today's topic: the awesome new login changes

First day back from vacation looks to be podcastic.

Remember: first person to actually mention the topic on the podcast loses.

@JonEricson makes for a productive day, right?

@bluefeet Most productive in weeks.

stream link broken for anyone else?

8:08 PM

Seems to be back up now

yep

no it's up for me

works

I have video and sound

Courtny Cotten

up for me

8:09 PM

pong

ping

pung

Get sponsored by Davidoff Cigars

does @DavidFullerton get affiliate money every time he mentions Thinking, Fast and Slow?

:)

@danlew42 I think fast and slow.

Tweeted by jc4p on July 7, 2015 at 7:55 PM in reply to danlew42

8:11 PM

gets worried seeing too much blue in the usernames

@Laura I hope so.

Don't try to break anything @nicael

@Jaydles it's Matt Ellen

You want more blue? You need more Davidoff

no thanks

8:12 PM

not it

hi

is this room public?

Yes

hi

oh noes

@Jin lol

8:12 PM

hahahaha

Courtny Cotten

perfect

yeah i'm in this room now hi

William Turrell

Would it be rude to complain about slight distortion?

@WilliamTurrell no.

I believe the distortion sound is just on our side, not on the actual recording

Courtny Cotten

8:13 PM

@KasraRahjerdi Hi welcome

William Turrell

Kasra: yep, I'm sure the recording will be perfect.

"averagonomics"

@Jin in case nicael's "lol" didn't clue you in, yes, this is public

@WilliamTurrell I wouldn't go that far...

@KasraRahjerdi that's a big ask

8:14 PM

tons

Kevin Montrose

I have actually started reading Human

banana

post the word banana

@KasraRahjerdi The edit will be better than the recording.

banana

They just did the bit from Car Tahlk

8:15 PM

bananananannaa

ping

ping

ping

pong

ping

8:15 PM

pong

Kevin Montrose

pong?

ping

wow only kevin and I know how this works

@KasraRahjerdi ahem

nanagram

almost got it

8:15 PM

@stevvve sorry i forgot about you

and/or dre

so...when does the podcast start? :)

Isn't this the after dark portion?

Alright, who's got Jay's pants?

@StackExchange oh yeah-here’s the chatroom where users can talk to us right now. (But only if you have my pants.) http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/512/se-podcast

Tweeted by StackExchange on July 7, 2015 at 8:10 PM in reply to StackExchange

we need a sponsor before the podcast can begin

until then, it's the Stack Exchange Podcast Telethon!

Cheez-its

they're delicious

8:17 PM

Is it the 30 days token now?

@cashenhu goldfish crackers are better

you need to have entertainment if it's a telethon. a capella, please

chicken crackers.

do those actually taste like chicken?

Not chicken crackling?

8:18 PM

Unrated Edition™

@bluefeet Does chicken ramen taste like chicken?

@bluefeet I can't decide. I have cheesy snack addiction

banana

@cashenhu doritos?

what are your fave cheesy snacks

?

8:19 PM

This podcast is a reenactment of the REAL podcast, with all participants played by actors who hate us. Anything offensive they say should not be interpreted as representing the views or opinions of Stack Exchange, Inc., its employees, or any reasonable person.

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p.campbell

y'all going to address your opinions on the meta.SE topic about the SCOTUS equality decision and rainbow icons etc?

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@p.campbell oh hey that's a good idea

we can talk about how that literally was an all day back and forth for us

i was in italy yesterday

@JoelSpolsky that sounds great. I'm going to Italy just for that.

this recommendation came 24 hours too late

p.campbell

8:20 PM

uh sorry, I bet you're sick of it.

@Laura WHY YOU AIN'T BRING US ANY?

NC-17 is <17 not allowed even with adult supervision

it's not necessarily dirty

@DavidFullerton what was the book you mentioned earlier were telling we should read?

Human

Thinking Fast and Slow

8:21 PM

What if I don't have an adult handy?

WOW.

@KasraRahjerdi It is when Joel is present, apparently

@KasraRahjerdi ah, nevermind then

@ArieLitovsky nah i'm fucking with you, it's Human

Jay thought it was long and boring though

hey fun fact for the non stack employees: I got rejected as a Fog Creek intern

didn't even get past the resume screen

the desk?

Mad Scientist

8:22 PM

Still taking questions? What about the change in graduation policy? Sites can now stay in eternal beta and won't be closed. Does this mean SE will be more selective in the private beta? And are the ideas to add more milestones independent of graduation like elections, privilege levels currently considered?

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Jaydles

the desk!

blog.fogcreek.com/davids-voice-activated-standing-desk

@MadScientist HEY that's a good question too

Jaydles

@MadScientist that's a good one - will steer there if possible.

@KasraRahjerdi you'll never make VP if you keep telling people that.

8:23 PM

@Shog9 no I love bringing that up to Liz every time I see her

she... does not love it

how detailed are these notes supposed to be?

REALLY detailed.

@sassie this is what they'll look like: blog.stackexchange.com/2015/06/…

Abby will edit them down to size.

they're not talking about anything important right now though

8:23 PM

every single word needs to be captured

Remember when folks used to transcribe the SO podcast?

for free?

@Jaydles look at the sidebar!

animuson

@Shog9 We still have someone who emails them into us.

Our graduation policy change is big

8:25 PM

@bluefeet no, they had to pay for Internet access.

Jaydles

@KasraRahjerdi no. You said we weren't saying important things. Mad at you.

@Jaydles if you were actually mad at me you'd talk about Chat

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Where is that chat Windows Phone client?

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mod overflow..

Jekyll is a ruby script that compiles static HTML

and doesn't require you connecting to a Windows XP computer

8:29 PM

18 mins ago, by nicael

gets worried seeing too much blue in the usernames

OOHHHH how fancy my network rep is!

@nicael depending on how it works out, I might be blue somewhen next ... week, maybe?

He might be blue next week too.

oss?

eh?

I'm still trying to figure out how all the auth changes they described are different from how it's been for years

8:31 PM

github.com/StackExchange/blog

There is, however, plenty of pickled ginger.

WHOOOOO PODCAST

@MichaelMrozek you won't see the "Welcome back, click here to login" banner, you'll just be logged in

except it's not pushed right now since it had a bug yesterday

TELL US OF THE GOOD OL DAYS, JOEL

@MichaelMrozek Short version... "no page reload and we can tell who you are regardless of whether you have a profile on a given site or not"

8:31 PM

@ChrisJester-Young can anyone approve my addition of normal 404 to the blog?

New version might even work more often than current, but you know... no promises.

@nicael Take it up with Jon Chan.

We've federated with the NSA to know who you are without having to log in or even create an account.

is C Sharp C# or C++ or neither?

@Shog9 That's Stage 4 and it was supposed to be secret. Dammit, Shog.

8:32 PM

@sassie it is C#

thx

@AnnaLear Ah. Fancy

@sassie C++ is C plus plus. :-)

@nicael squash-request

Sea Plus Plus

8:33 PM

@sassie C# is also Db if you're into music

Joel Spolsky

cassie link to blog.fogcreek.com/killing-off-wasabi-part-1 in the show notes

Juan M

@arie nice!

@ArieLitovsky boooooooo

@AnnaLear And so later this week equals... tomorrow?

@ArieLitovsky awful

8:33 PM

@hichris123 when we're ready

@AnnaLear NOW

DONT TELL ME WHAT TO DO

@ArieLitovsky - you are discriminating against the musically challenged

Simpsons Banksy intro

@ArieLitovsky Only in equal temperament.

8:34 PM

Couch gag.

@couchand ?

"Painstakingly drawn in front of a live audience."

A lot of baroque music did not use equal temperament, and "period instruments" are tuned using other temperaments like meantone temperament.

^ things I didn't expect to read in the podcast chat room

so the question he's talking about is:

13 mins ago, by Mad Scientist

Still taking questions? What about the change in graduation policy? Sites can now stay in eternal beta and won't be closed. Does this mean SE will be more selective in the private beta? And are the ideas to add more milestones independent of graduation like elections, privilege levels currently considered?

Ampt

8:35 PM

Excuse me, is this where I lodge my complaints?

@ChrisJester-Young Sounds like they were... baroquen.

If you could also touch on the "Does this mean SE will be more selective in the private beta?" portion would be great

@AnnaLear Alas, I can't agree with you. I <3 baroque and it ain't broken. ;-)

in what way? are you asking if we'll close more private betas?

@Oded hey, at least I provided context

Gabe

8:36 PM

@AnnaLear You are promoted

Joel Spolsky

Bear shatters glass barrier at Minnesota Zoo with rock "the size of a basketball" http://yhoo.it/1JMHmEY http://t.co/kU869q5Orx

Tweeted by YahooNews on July 7, 2015 at 7:07 PM

@DavidFullerton I think the question @MadScientist was asking is will we be more selective about opening private betas

Joel Spolsky

if u are giving bears rocks the size of basketballs this is going to happen i am just saying https://twitter.com/YahooNews/status/618496610604089345

Tweeted by darth on July 7, 2015 at 7:10 PM

@ChrisJester-Young some day it will be Bach

;-)

8:36 PM

@JoelSpolsky No actual video of it = LAME

I went to the bathroom and came back to a bunch of boos. I guess that's what happens when you make a joke with a full bladder.

Mad Scientist

@DavidFullerton SE pretty much said that public betas won't be shut down unless they're really falling apart. So I was wondering if that means that SE will be a bit more careful on which sites they let out of private beta

Site about bears? I'm up for that.

bearswithrocks.stackexchange.com

8:37 PM

@HarryCBurn goto area51:

Do you think I could take a bear?

@MadScientist 's question not mine :)

it's beer.stackexchange.com

Q: Deleted answer marked as spam/offensive on chrome on phone, but not on chrome on computer

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I noticed something odd today after looking at a deleted answer on my phone and on my laptop both using the chrome browser. On my phone the answer is hidden and marked as spam/offensive and on my laptop it shows just fine. The post is not locked and it was deleted by the user. How the answer ap...

There's really something going strange. Any mods there can look into it?

Gabe

@ArieLitovsky Better than what happens when you make a joke with a full... intestine

@Vogel612 area51.create_site("Bitchin\' Bears");

8:38 PM

no no, that's not enough bitchin in there

/me wants to watch the livestream (on mobile) :(

@HarryCBurn escaping the single quote inside double quotes? Bold move, cotton.

@nicael why are you posting that here?

area51.create_site("Bitchin' Bears Bitching about Bears Bitching");

Because anything is posted there, I see.

Carrie Kendall

8:39 PM

you get one shit for pg-13, carry on

I thought we decided on NC-17!

I want the rating to be as close to NCC-1701 possible

@KasraRahjerdi overruled

is this answering the question?

@Vogel612

def get_bear_DOM(self, species="Bitchin'", title="Bears, Bitches", desc="Bitchin' bears are bitchin' 'bout big 'ol bears."): return area51.create_site(title);

@Doorknob They're sitting at a desk and one of them is a microphone for a face

8:40 PM

... now I really want to watch it

"For example, if Islam goes out of business"

@AnnaLear I truly believe that lifehacks.SE should be shut down.

Spin the wheel of sites

wheel of blame

8:42 PM

remember that time security went down while we were on the podcast

Ampt

I VOTE STACKOVERLOW AS TRIBUTE!

Like Lost.

inb4 so shutdown

It is the loosest defined site I've ever seen.

@cashenhu not my fault

8:42 PM

Why not just fire someone?

@ChrisJester-Young employee rooms only :)

@AnnaLear ah, lol

@KasraRahjerdi Dammit.

Carrie Kendall

oh crap, SO is getting shut down on those metrics

Oh wow, my proposal got popular while I was gone ;p

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Writing Critiques

Proposed Q&A site for anyone looking for feedback and constructive criticism on their writing.

Currently in definition.

Not incredibly so, but it's there.

Q: How to light a candle without a lighter or a match

8:43 PM

@JoelSpolsky go to lifehacks

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There are times when I need to light a candle, but I don't have a working lighter and I am out of matches. I need to create a makeshift match (or at least something to produce fire) so I can light the candle. I would use a gas stove to light something from one of the answers on this question, but...

home substitute-tool fire

@Doorknob You do get audio though, right? Then you aren't missing much.

Lifehacks? NOOOOOOO!

Q: How to easily start a fire in a charcoal for grilling without using gas?

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Are there any life hacks for starting a fire in a pack of charcoal for grilling without using gas? I do have access to matches, lighters, etc.

food

ZING!

@HarryCBurn Wait, what about Lifehacks?!

8:44 PM

@ChrisJester-Young uh no idea (volume's off anyway since I'm in a public place with no headphones)

HASHAHAH

what a great burn

🔥🚑

NO EMOJI

@Doorknob Oh, then you'll get to listen to the fun about a month from now. ;-)

:(

8:45 PM

@michaelpri Because LH.SE has no definition of what is a good answer. Believe it or not, answers are criticized for answering the question in a way that lacks convoluted tactics involving sporks or whatever.

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@random needz moar random

@HarryCBurn Were they talking about it?

we are they talking

@michaelpri Oh, no, someone was saying to go there ;p

8:46 PM

12 mins ago, by Bret Copeland

"Painstakingly drawn in front of a live audience."

Can someone draw a table now?

called it

Dammit, Vogel this is not the 2nd monitor

Don't worry folks: this can all be edited out in post.

@HarryCBurn Oh, I missed that

8:47 PM

Do we have emoji in the chatroom? There's a minimum someone needs to know about Unicode I hear...

our poor editor...

y'all wanna talk about the logo change?

not the bar change, the supreme court case one

Q: What is the current status of LOGO? (The programming language)

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In another Q I saw someone mention LOGO and it reminded me of some programming language from the past, mostly used for educational purposes. Basically, you would have to program a turtle with a pen through it's back. By telling it where to move, the pen would draw lines. It could also lift the pe...

logo-lang

Carrie Kendall

i'd like to hear about that :)

Q: How can I figure out which side of the car the gas hatch is on (without getting out)?

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As a longtime New York City resident, I've never owned a car. I drive fairly regularly, though, thanks to rentals, Zipcars, and the kindness of relatives and other not-quite-strangers. Since much of my driving is done in cars I've never been in before, I frequently found myself pulling into a ...

car

what the hell @Jaydles asked this!?

8:48 PM

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, Jul 1 at 17:20, by 1999

It's been like two days with the same SO logo, time for another change. I like this one:

@JasonPunyon joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html

Jay asked the highest voted question on Lifehacks.

@KasraRahjerdi And posted the highest voted answer

Danny Miller

if only there were actually ads in podcasts!

@DannyMiller hahahah

8:49 PM

Plexiglass house.

@michaelpri c:

Product placement by Pepsi

This parrot drone has disobeyed all three laws of robotics in its short five minute lifespan

Tweeted by spolsky on July 4, 2015 at 11:53 PM

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BOOM. You guys are welcome.

Asimov's Laws

come on

THIS IS ASIMOV'S LAWS

8:50 PM

@KasraRahjerdi Does PicBot obey Asimov's laws? :-P

@Jaydles A.I. was the first American movie I saw. VHS in Iran. I had never swam before, I had swimming classes the next week. It did not go well.

@HarryCBurn u tryin to take meh jerrrbb?

@Jin Is u crayon dev?

So is this why all the AI.SE sites have been failures?

I dnt wnt u to go Jn

8:50 PM

I feel like that's what all drones do...

;p

There was an entire Bob's Burgers about this, @Jaydles

um... I'm not sure that counts as a site design.

YES! I win!

Where are the links?

8:51 PM

@BretCopeland party pooper

What do they mean "would it fly". It's flying right there

@BretCopeland do you not see the blue lines? tons of links there

tl;dr: over the weekend, a drone crashed into Reddit

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@MichaelMrozek Quite clearly. My concept art is realistic. Especially with it's single turbine.

But it flies.

I promise.

@JoelSpolsky @Jaydles they have since apologized.

8:52 PM

I think we'll stick to our unicode airplane for now.

@Shog9 Was Victoria Taylor flying it?

Jay giving a "short version"

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Pao

(drink)

Q: What should we do to reduce the risk of a Reddit-like crisis?

Relevant post from our network:

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Sometimes the owners or overseers of a community need to remove someone popular -- suspend a top user, boot a popular moderator, or fire a key employee. As we've seen, sometimes this causes an immediate, vehement, and very public reaction, and you have a public-relations fiasco on your hands. N...

backlash

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coming back in an hour..

8:53 PM

@Hynes i just leaned back and clapped at my monitor

Michael Jackson? Topical...

(drink) @Shog9

You heard it here first: Victoria was a robot, and was fired for violating Asimov's Three Laws.

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Anonymous

Just tuned in, it sounds like I'm listening to an episode of Robot or Not.

jesus joel knows a lot about this

8:56 PM

@Shog9 This podcast is a gold mine for the Stack Overheard Words Twitter account

@Shog9: What a scoop!

Queens Of The Stone Age - No One Knows

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Joel ranting about moderation tools

Mad Scientist

The bad state of the mod tools seems to be a major point in the whole thing. Not a Reddit mod, but from the small bits I understand the Reddit mod tools are far behind the SE mod tools. Not to speak of the whole mess of defining "brigading" and using shadow bans. Though that doesn't mean SE should ignore all the ideas to improve the mod tools further ;-)

Nobody know Spaceballs

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8:57 PM

Swallow and chew Eat you alive All of us food that hasn't died

@MadScientist we're working on it :)

@MadScientist Well, for the first twenty minutes that was the case, until 400 subreddits piled on because it was the cool thing to do that day

the mod tools, not ignoring them.

was that not clear?

counting podcast style: 1, 2, 3, infinite

8:59 PM

:)

Anonymous

@MadScientist That got the mods to fire up their communities, but now that the mob is angry, I don't know if the satisfying the moderators will calm them down too.