SE Podcast

Kyle Cronin

8:14 PM

ustream.tv/channel/stack-exchange-podcast

I can see the Home Improvement site

maybe they have Shirlock Homes on

C. Ross

woot

Michael Mrozek

Somebody should link this in the streaming site's chatroom; it won't load for me

C. Ross

me either

Kyle Cronin

even at full volume Joel isn't that loud

Chacha102

Hello

C. Ross

8:18 PM

shame I don't have "bingo" materials

Chacha102

Too many moderators...

VxJasonxV

This will certainly be the largest SE chat room I've been in yet.

C. Ross

@Chacha102 we're watching you

VxJasonxV

Afternoon @Jin, @RebeccaChernoff!

Michael Mrozek

"Type your questions into ustream"? How dare you, Joel

VxJasonxV

8:18 PM

My audio was muted, wtfoo?

Jin

howdy

Chacha102

@CRoss Soon I shall retreat to the only place moderators dare not to go!!! The Dark Depths of the Tavern! Muhuhahahaha

Rebecca Chernoff

allo y'all (:

Shog9

Ugh. Why is a VERY LOUD AD playing over the top of Jeff talking VERY SOFTLY?

VxJasonxV

@Shog9 Because UStream loves you.

Michael Mrozek

8:20 PM

@Shog9 I didn't even realize the podcast audio was playing during the ad, I couldn't hear it at all

random

room topic changed to SE Podcast Live Chat: ustream.tv/channel/stack-exchange-podcast

Tim Stone

@Shog9 I turned the volume down in response to the ad, then realized that the faint whisper in the background was Joel talking.

jcolebrand

oh that ad! Horrid!

@Shog9 ha!

Kev

it's like a moderator flashmob

Michael Mrozek

@Kev Go figure the people obsessed enough to listen to the podcast are also obsessed enough to mod SE sites

jcolebrand

8:21 PM

room 512? How interesting

Kyle Cronin

is there a way to get a link to this chat in the UStream chat?

balpha

@jcolebrand quite appropriate, too

Michael Mrozek

@KyleCronin Does the UStream chat even load for you?

Kyle Cronin

yeah, it's on the right of the ustream

Tim Stone

WTF was that ustream? O_o

Michael Mrozek

8:22 PM

@KyleCronin I see it; it's been "loading" for 5 minutes. If you can get to it I would think you can post a link

Does it keep fading in and out? I've had it twice now

jcolebrand

Is anyone else getting odd blurts in the stream?

Tim Stone

I just saw random footage of some..animal

jcolebrand

ok, I think we all are

@TimStone yeah, like an ad starting or something?

Moshe

I just saw an ad

Michael Mrozek

Damn it, badp found us. Time to switch to a new room

Tim Stone

8:23 PM

Holy crap that @lert was loud.

Yeah, something like that.

Kyle Cronin

the thing won't let me sign up for a user account

Michael Mrozek

@#$#$ If only this still worked :(

Dogs!

...I've got nothing

And suddenly, a dog.

8:24 PM

the audio seems to keep fading out ...

Kyle Cronin

the audio just went dead

dog

and back again…

yeah, the dog

puppy

8:24 PM

Who's talking?

Michael Mrozek

Ah, an ad. I'm not actually looking at the window, so that was very confusing

Jin

i see the Ads blocks the video 'n audio for a few seconds..?

C. Ross

taco killed the audio?

Tim Stone

It's not an ad, it's a live feed of puppies :P

Rebecca Chernoff

@Jin more than a few

Michael Mrozek

8:24 PM

@balpha You should write a podcast streaming thing for SO

random

Sounds like the price of using a free stream

Jimmy Sawczuk

i could have sworn he was going to say "residual self-image"

Feeds

Kyle Cronin has added Jeff Atwood to the list of this room's owners.

badp

@random I doubt USTREAM is the one that added the dog

Moshe

Are they watching the room?

Feeds

8:25 PM

Kyle Cronin has added Joel Spolsky to the list of this room's owners.

badp

RUN! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES

Michael Mrozek

Nobody on SO has ever commented on my shoes. I'm a little hurt now

Moshe

Wait, that's Joel speaking.

Jin

joel sounds better once I switched to my headset

balpha

@Moshe neither Jeff nor Joel are capable of multitasking.

Moshe

8:25 PM

@balpha Ah, ok.

C. Ross

@balpha I thought they were going to take questions?

random

They broke the 15 listener mark

Michael Mrozek

@CRoss We're like 10 minutes in :)

jcolebrand

@MichaelMrozek > Live broadcast started 18 minutes ago

Michael Mrozek

"People don't like meanness"? He really needs to spend more time on chat

OH GOD OW

Moshe

8:26 PM

quick someone link that meta post

Michael Mrozek

mutes pings

jcolebrand

20

Q: The problem with extrinsic motivation

As a preface, I've stopped using Stack Overflow after participating in the beta and using the system for a while. I'm not trying to stir up controversy or ruffle feathers, though that seems likely to happen. Rather this is a postmortem of one user's experience with Stack Overflow. I've always ...

Michael Mrozek

Damn

random

Isn't the live feed supposed to show what they're checking out on the SE sites?

C. Ross

yeah, I've got no video

Moshe

8:27 PM

I only see the SE logo.

badp

I don't think there's supposed to be video

balpha

sometimes there are puppies

Michael Mrozek

Did he just claim rep is monotonically increasing? I dispute that

C. Ross

there was at the start

I saw a DIY window.

Moshe

lol

balpha

8:28 PM

I saw a skype window

Tim Stone

@balpha The lack of unicorns is disappointing.

balpha

scott hanselman was online

random

Are they playing Evony in the background?

C. Ross

curses, I want more Dennys!

Michael Mrozek

@CRoss It'll be good when we find out just how many features were supposed to be in this podcast that were completely broken

jcolebrand

8:28 PM

@CRoss for the bacon?

Tim Stone

@MichaelMrozek To the bug reports!

badp

I'm a 18-24 male and I get more rage than satisfaction from competitive play

C. Ross

what about competitive + cooperative play (TF2, LoL, D&D, etc)

that's what I love

Anna Lear

I get immense satisfaction from competitive play so long as I'm winning.

Moshe

Zynga is evil. Um, right?

Shog9

8:29 PM

I'm getting progressively hungrier for a grand slam the more he talks about not getting any dennies

Michael Mrozek

I win cooperative play too, I just let the other players win with me. Slightly less, of course

Moshe

UrbanTerror anyone?

badp

@AnnaLear I don't because usually it's the remainder of the team dragging me along :P

Michael Mrozek

@Moshe I actually do play that, but my boss would probably frown on it right now

badp

so I "rage" when I lose and when I win... eh.

Moshe

8:31 PM

@MichaelMrozek - I haven't played in a while, but we should play sometime

Anna Lear

@badp Yeah, I don't play much competitive stuff anymore....... >.>

badp

It's kinda enjoyable but the net sum is negative.

balpha

Wikipedia And The Death Of The Expert. http://bit.ly/kRrArz

Tweeted by jzy on May 30, 2011 at 4:22 AM

Michael Myers

There are not nearly enough blue people in here.

Moshe

(Hey, it's everyone from the Meta Tavern and then some!)

Tim Stone

8:31 PM

@badp And to think that they gave you lasers...

Moshe

@MichaelMyers You could easily make me blue. :-)

badp

That said I poured 100+ hours on TF2 since February :P

@TimStone Lazers? In TF2?

Moshe

opens an IDE while listening

Shog9

People who consider themselves experts routinely become infuriated by Stack Overflow. That's the problem with considering yourself an expert.

badp

@Moshe False

Tim Stone

8:32 PM

I just assumed your rage carried over to the game of life :P

C. Ross

I think science is already becoming "consensus driven"

Jin

@Shog9 expertise is srs biz

Shog9

"Becoming"?

C. Ross

all you ever hear about is the scientific consensus on "x,y,z"

balpha

@CRoss I agree, so you're correct.

C. Ross

8:32 PM

@Shog9 I was trying to be nice

Michael Mrozek

Sounds exhausting

badp

@balpha hah.

Lasse V. Karlsen

Speaking of science, I feel relieved that WHO finally concluded on the whole cellular causes cancer debate.

random

Still reading out URLs instead of just pasting them into the chat

jcolebrand

@Shog9 can we get them to admit this on the podcast? :)

Moshe

8:33 PM

Oh, snap! I averaged my Q/A ratio!

Michael Mrozek

@random That's what we have @balpha for

Shog9

@jcolebrand Tweet it or something.

jcolebrand

@Moshe oh snap, that's offkilter! Make it 2:1

@Shog9 apparently. however I don't think either of them follow me, much less care what I say in real time ;)

Michael Mrozek

14% of people that both ask and answer is ideal? That seems crazy low

Shog9

@MichaelMrozek Really?

Moshe

8:34 PM

@jcolebrand Well, I'm excited, I was at <100 answers and >200 question at one point

I'm now at 325Q and 333A

jcolebrand

@Moshe I recall

Jimmy Sawczuk

@MichaelMrozek agreed, I thought it'd be higher, in the 30%ish range for some reason

Michael Mrozek

Skype!

Moshe

@MichaelMrozek - Good call.

(scuse the pun)

VxJasonxV

Producer Alex needs to turn skype audible notifications off :P.

jcolebrand

8:35 PM

@Moshe apparently not!

random

They're going for a live necromancer badge!

Moshe

What's up with that (OpenID)?

Shog9

"raise our guest" LIVE SEANCE

Michael Mrozek

@JimmySawczuk I guess it depends what they count as "both"; I have 6 SO questions and 500+ answers, so I don't know if that counts as "both"

balpha

Stack Overflow Blog: Stack Exchange is an OpenID Provider

Posted by Jeff Atwood on May 27th, 2011

If you’ve logged in to a Stack Exchange site recently you may have noticed a new button on the login page:

That’s right — Stack Exchange is now officially an OpenID provider as well as an OpenID (and OAuth 2.0) consumer!

As a provider, we can now offer a totally seamless signup experience for new users. That is, you can create a new account entirely on our site without ever once being redirected to another website in the process.

Those users who were uncomfortable with Google, Facebook, MyOpenID, AOL, or any other form of OpenID credentials can now create “local” accounts. …

Rebecca Chernoff

8:35 PM

@VxJasonxV Producer Alex.

badp

@Shog9 "Turn undead"?

VxJasonxV

I know not what you're pointing out, Rebecca. :>

Moshe

What's up with the new OpenID? I thought it was bad for the internet to have another login on the interwebs?

VxJasonxV

(wow... I can't type!)

Moshe

I like my Google OpenID.

SE is not bigger than Google.

Rebecca Chernoff

8:36 PM

@Moshe then there's no need for you to switch.

Moshe

No need for another one, am I terribly wrong?

VxJasonxV

@Moshe No need for another one.

Moshe

@RebeccaChernoff I distinctly recall one of the Founding Fathers of SE say that there was no reason to make a new SE OpenID.

VxJasonxV

Are Jeff and Joel in the same room? The difference in their audio is interesting.

balpha

I have neither a facebook nor a gmail account

Kevin Montrose

8:37 PM

@Moshe - replacing MyOpenID as a dependency, at least IMO.

random

@balpha Therefore you don't exist

balpha

@random who are you talking to?

ChrisF

@VxJasonxV Joel's in NY (I think) and Jeff on the West Coast

Michael Mrozek

@KevinMontrose It was an optional dependency though; it's not like they were the only OpenID provider

Kevin Montrose

its been... lack luster recently, and was our "sign up" link before.

Rebecca Chernoff

8:38 PM

@balpha We already know you're weird.

VxJasonxV

@ChrisF Interesting. I thought most everyone was in New York. Certainly those two. Appreciate it.

Rebecca Chernoff

Wait, people are actually able to load ustream's chat?

jcolebrand

@RebeccaChernoff I cannot

Moshe

I am.

VxJasonxV

I am in both chat rooms.

jcolebrand

8:39 PM

I think someone needs to get producer alex to get the hosts to open this chatroom.

jjnguy

I couldn't...

Rebecca Chernoff

oooh it just loaded

jjnguy

Could you see my comment on the social stream?

Rebecca Chernoff

Hmm, I'm on chat, not social stream. And clearly I know the difference.

random

Looks like plus addressing is invalid according to Ustream

badp

8:40 PM

HERESY

Michael Mrozek

@balpha and @MarcGravell should be personally offended that Jeff and Joel are even talking about the ustream chat

badp

(also the livestream chat isn't loading now)

balpha

I can't speak for marc

jcolebrand

@MichaelMrozek well heck, I am

@badp I cannot either.

Dori

@LasseVKarlsen - thank you!

random

8:41 PM

Live dump sessions are good to watch

Lasse V. Karlsen

oh sweet god, don't mention my name here, I had to turn the sound way up for ustream :P the notification here almost scared the crap out of me :P

balpha

@LasseVKarlsen okay

random

@LasseVKarlsen Got it!

badp

@random see, the dogs weren't ustream's :P

Tim Stone

@balpha You just need to work on your English accent.

Lasse V. Karlsen

8:42 PM

I walked right into that, didn't I? :P

Michael Myers

@LasseVKarlsen What? I can't hear you.

Michael Mrozek

You can shut them off, there's an audio icon by the "all rooms" button

jcolebrand

@LasseVKarlsen you know you can turn it off in the upper right hand corner right?

ChrisF

@LasseVKarlsen You asked for it

splattne

The Ustream chat creates ugly emoticon smilies.

Lasse V. Karlsen

8:42 PM

I know that now, yes, thank you

Damien

This Chat ? UStream chats

?

badp

@splattne at least it loads for you

Michael Myers

@splattne What, are they backwards like (: ?

jcolebrand

@splattne I presume they don't look like this -> (:

>

8:43 PM

oy

@Damien the ustream chats

Moshe

What about downvotes costing something unless there are X downvotes/closure?

C. Ross

wait, downvotes are free?

Moshe

@CRoss Yea

jcolebrand

8:43 PM

on questions!

Anna Lear

@CRoss On questions.

Michael Mrozek

@CRoss On questions

Damien

This chat is better than the uStream one is what I meant to say

C. Ross

still, sweet

balpha

@CRoss what they said ^^^

C. Ross

8:43 PM

that'll save me my rep I've been spending

Michael Mrozek

18

A: Should downvotes on questions be "free"?

Completed, all question downvotes now are "free" for the downvoter. We did not perform a global recalc. If you would like your old question downvotes to be free, perform a self-recalc at: http://stackoverflow.com/reputation We will be monitoring voting patterns over the next few weeks and eva...

badp

I wonder if siracusa is that John Siracusa from Ars Technica

Moshe

Lets downvote all 4 of Jon Skeet's q's so he loses rep!!! :-)

C. Ross

I'm glad I turned pings off ...

Kyle Cronin

@badp it is

he's actually quite an active SE user

Rebecca Chernoff

8:44 PM

@Moshe or let's not?

badp

I knew about the SE user

Moshe

@RebeccaChernoff Jus' sayin' :-)

Michael Mrozek

I can't join the Chat area, where apparently all the cool kids are... ( #stackcast live at http://ustre.am/zeWH)

Tweeted by lizardbill on May 31, 2011 at 8:43 PM

Poor guy

splattne

@MichaelMrozek I'm blind now.

Moshe

You need to sign up or something.

C. Ross

8:45 PM

@MichaelMrozek he can join the ustream chat, or the awesome chat?

Tim Stone

@CRoss Well, the cool kids are here, so.

Michael Mrozek

@CRoss Not sure, I just replied

jjnguy

@CRoss ustream

C. Ross

yeah, most of us can't get it to load

we need beer for rep!

Brant

ustream chat uses something non-port-80.

got firewalls?

jcolebrand

8:46 PM

@Moshe is now famous ;)

Michael Mrozek

"What do you do with a lot of rep? You want to fix the world". Um. No? I want to gloat. Endlessly

Moshe

Lol

Michael Myers

I couldn't load the either the chat or the actual stream. So I'm really just here to mock.

Michael Mrozek

@Brant Ah, yes; I'm at work

C. Ross

52

Q: Please Add Means of Converting Reputation to Actual Beer

When I help someone solve a programming problem, they often express their gratitude for the solution (yay!). Generally, this takes the form of one of the following: "Think you!" Sometimes, people offer to hire me for further work. (Generally, stay away from these folks; they've been hiding thei...

discussion reputation fun

Bill the Lizard

8:46 PM

Oh, this chat room...

Jimmy Sawczuk

if i could convert my rep into cash it'd be a different story, but i'm with @MichaelMrozek, keeping it isn't all that bad

jjnguy

@BilltheLizard Hi

badp

and suddenly more dogs.

C. Ross

@BilltheLizard this is where the cool kids are, see Michael, and Michael ...

splattne

Varus, give me back my audio!

Michael Mrozek

8:47 PM

@Michael HI!

splattne

Thanks!

C. Ross

oddly enough I only see the logo

Brant

It's an audio-only video stream.

Bill the Lizard

Thanks, @jjnguy. Don't know why I didn't check here first.

badp

@CRoss there's occasionally puppies but that's right

Michael Mrozek

8:48 PM

@Brant Nonsense, there's awesome video. Of the SE logo

balpha

@Brant better than the other way around

jjnguy

@BilltheLizard np, glad you could make it.

Dori

Not enough puppies

Moshe

Show these instead:

C. Ross

@badp I have yet to see the puppies ...

Moshe

8:48 PM

16

Q: Community Promotion Ads - 1H 2011

What in the Wide, Wide World of Sports is Going On Here? TL;DR -- put images and links in the answers. If they get voted up enough, they will appear on the main site as community promotion ads. But whyyyyyyy? This is a method for the community to control what gets promoted to visitors on the s...

discussion featured promotion top-7 community-ads

random

Did the DIY guy get a dirt nap?

Tim Stone

I dunno, but I'm about ready for a nap.

Moshe

I think the community ads should be shown instead of the puppies.

jjnguy

@Shog9 @RebeccaChernoff @RobertCartaino @Dori That's you!

Michael Mrozek

"We're going to start hiring a community team". Sucks to be @RobertCartaino / @RebeccaChernoff / @Dori / @Shog9 right now

jjnguy

8:51 PM

(Right?)

jcolebrand

Wait, can I get hired on for that!

Rebecca Chernoff

lol

we're hiring my minions

Kyle Cronin

stackexchange.com/about/hiring

jjnguy

Ahaha

CHAOS

Kyle Cronin

stackexchange.theresumator.com/apply/jobs/details/5bbnOo

Michael Mrozek

8:52 PM

@jcolebrand Community Help-team And Organizational Support. I think your RC acronym is dead

ChrisF

CHTAOS

C. Ross

I look forward to them teaching us how to expand

Kevin Montrose

@clipperhouse - turns out, its actually KAOS. http://bit.ly/lONHKi

Tweeted by kevinmontrose on May 31, 2011 at 1:25 AM in reply to clipperhouse

Jin

we need a design intern... aka someone who can fix my css mess...

jcolebrand

Q: How much does it pay?
A: $45,000 plus

Moshe

8:52 PM

@Jin me?

jcolebrand

screw that ...

C. Ross

@Jin really?

Tim Stone

@Jin Just lure someone in with bacon.

Kevin Montrose

too much time spent on this name, really.

jcolebrand

@MichaelMrozek nonsense. Also, I didn't start that one.

Dori

8:52 PM

Is it possible to live in NYC on $45K?

Moshe

starting Uni in the fall, would love a summer internship

Bill the Lizard

Put in a little more effort and come up with a backronym for CHTULU

Moshe

And then some

Michael Mrozek

@jcolebrand Well, you're probably the only proponent, so I'm calling it yours

jcolebrand

@MichaelMrozek I swear other's use it. Am I really the only one?

Michael Mrozek

8:53 PM

@BilltheLizard Community Help Team composed of Unix and Linux Users

Bill the Lizard

@MichaelMrozek Nice!

jcolebrand

@MichaelMrozek chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/4?m=563692#563692 (sorry the rest of you that aren't blue, this is a blue only link)

Kevin Montrose

@Dori - for some definition of live.

Michael Mrozek

Because if there's one group that screams user-friendly, it's Unix and Linux users

jcolebrand

@MichaelMrozek I heard that ... sounded like a million voices ...

jjnguy

8:54 PM

Why are so many people blue in here? I need a reason! (to help fix the spelling and grammar)

Michael Mrozek

@jjnguy There was a chemical spill. We don't like to talk about it

ChrisF

@jjnguy We're all mods somewhere - no I like @MichaelMrozek's answer better

Moshe

@ChrisF Not me.

jjnguy

@ChrisF (I know that :P)

Tim Stone

@MichaelMrozek Just maintain your distance, and I won't ask.

jjnguy

8:55 PM

@MichaelMrozek ok, that makes the most sense.

C. Ross

this got started out of the mods room ...

Michael Mrozek

@jjnguy You're next in line I think, all the people ahead of you in the election are mods now

jjnguy

@MichaelMrozek I was sooooooo shattered when I found out they stopped right before my position.

jcolebrand

@CRoss what's that?

Brant

PUPPIES

Dori

8:56 PM

PUPPIES!

C. Ross

awwwww

VxJasonxV

Silence for the puppies?

C. Ross

so awesome ...

Moshe

puppies

Dori

Silence of the puppies

C. Ross

8:56 PM

@jcolebrand this chat ...

Brant

Ooh, local coupons.

Moshe

Well, we have a new meme...

C. Ross

apparently Joel is at a loss for words because of the puppies ...

jjnguy

Haha, so much dead air.

Michael Mrozek

I'm losing interest in this podcast rapidly

C. Ross

8:57 PM

I think they don't realize they have a technical problem

Dori

So, we get audio or puppies? Not both?

C. Ross

someone let them know

Brant

Phantom foot!

jjnguy

@MichaelMrozek this chat is far more interesting.

splattne

Silence of the lambs...

Tim Stone

8:57 PM

They're probably done, and we'll be here staring at puppies for the next few hours.

Michael Mrozek

@Dori It's 2011; you really think our computers can handle simultaneous audio and puppies?

@TimStone They're at SEI headquarters laughing it up

badp

room topic changed to SE Podcast Live Chat: Puppies! ustream.tv/channel/stack-exchange-podcast

splattne

audio on podcasts is overrated

Chacha102

Hello

jjnguy

Advertisement!!

For us!

Michael Mrozek

8:58 PM

Uh oh; he gave away the link

Jeff Atwood

any other questions for us?

Dori

Question time!

Tim Stone

We're in trouble now.

Michael Mrozek

Question: what happened to the puppies?

VxJasonxV

Thanks for gracing us with your presence, @JeffAtwood!

jcolebrand

8:58 PM

@JeffAtwood Of course. Watch us all go blank with questions.

Brant

Can we see the puppies again?

ChrisF

@Jeff - What happened to Shirlock?

jcolebrand

Michael Mrozek

We really should've thought up questions over the last 40 minutes

jcolebrand

You're welcome.

Jonathan Sampson

8:58 PM

We can pretend you guys are puppies, with human voices.

Dori

Puppypalooza!

Moshe

@JeffAtwood - Instead of puppies, show community voted ads

C. Ross

@JeffAtwood how will you prioritize who gets CHAOS help?

Jonathan Sampson

First ever PUPCast.

Doug T.

Yeah where's Shirlock?

Shog9

8:59 PM

DISTRACTED BY PUPPIES

Lasse V. Karlsen

oh god no

Doug T.

Is Jeff pantless?

jcolebrand

What sort of Q's do they want us to ask?

Because most of our good Qs go on meta anyways

badp

@JeffAtwood How do you feel about German.SE? I'm very iffy with one site per human language, especially when you mix content in 2 different languages, deduplication thereof etc.

Moshe

@JeffAtwood - Why must I start from scratch on each SE site? I should be able to carry over some privileges. No?

Rebecca Chernoff

8:59 PM

We need Shirlock to find Shirlock. |:

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