Japanese Language

like here it's "there was a bird with hardly one feather" but we could rephrase to "the bird had hardly one feather", but how do we make this end with one feather? "the bird there had hardly one feather"?

Chocolate

3:08 AM

Not in your specific example. ツルが１羽だ can be used in another context

Riolku

in japanese I guess that's ツルがほとんど一羽じゃありませんでした？

that sounds odd

Nameless

It sounds odd in my specific example?

Riolku, 1羽 is read as いちわ, which is a counter for birds not feathers

The crane hardly had feathers.

One crane

Riolku

wow so I've been reading this wrong the whole time

Nameless

Same HAHA

Riolku

it's actually "there was one bird with hardly any feathers"

?

Nameless

3:10 AM

Yeah

One crane

羽 by itself is はね, wings or feathers.

Riolku

yeah I'm just bad at vocab ty for reminder

lmao

Nameless

Same

I had to consult one of my grammar books... again.

Riolku

wait

isn't this の just the one in the counter pattern

like can we say

Chocolate

３匹のコブタ

Riolku

羽がほとんどないツルが一羽でした

Chocolate

3:13 AM

？

Riolku

yeah that pattern

Chocolate

「ツルが１羽でした」の「が」は、どこから？

Nameless

Now that I've been thinking about this... I think I now know why you can't be saying that.

Riolku

uh I don't understand your question chocolate

where is it from

Chocolate

「１羽のツルでした」 doesn't have が

Riolku

3:15 AM

yeah uh my idea was to try and reword

Chocolate

And you can rephrase it 「ツルが１羽でした」?

Riolku

to see if the sentence has a similar meaning

yeah that's what im trying to do

does that sentence work?

羽がほとんどないツルが一羽でした

Nameless

1羽のツル means "the one crane," but ツルが1羽だ means "a one crane"

So the former is a better fit

The one crane who hardly had any feathers...

Chocolate

「１羽のツルがいました。」 can be 「ツルが１羽いました。」
「１羽のツルを食べました。」 can be 「ツルを１羽食べました。」
Now 「(XXが)１羽のツルでした。」 can be 「(XXが)ツルが１羽でした」??

Riolku

it's because 羽がほとんどない is modifying the noun clause 一羽のツル

so you can move the counter out ig

Nameless

3:18 AM

の here is the alternant form of だ. That's my understanding...

Riolku

what's up with the last counter pattern again

Nameless

1羽のツル means "the one crane," but ツルが1羽だ means "a one crane"
So the former is a better fit

Chocolate

Here in your example, １羽のツル is not a subject. Not an object, either. It's a complement.

So it can't be marked with が, nor を

That's why I said your example can't be rephrased ～～ツル*が*１羽でした

Nameless

Ah yes..

Forgot

I need to get some sleep...

Chocolate

What time is it over there?

Nameless

3:26 AM

You're right. I forgot to take that into account.

Very late..

Like... very late

Chocolate

sorry for keeping you

sleep tight!!

I gotta go to..

*too

Riolku

See you later Chocolate

Nameless

😴

Riolku

ill probably lurk for a while

time to read more on counters

japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/8136/…　in this post at the bottom, what does 駆けつけ mean? I only found a verb for it

uh, last answer

hyper-neutrino

just link the answer

answer order isn't the same for everyone

Riolku

3:37 AM

D:

why not lol

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A: Positioning of quantities (using counters)

Although all of the example word orders occur commonly, I would personally order them in this way according to "more natural -> very slightly marked" ビールを一杯飲む一杯のビールを飲むビール一杯を飲む I think counters tend to be used as adverbs when possible, which is the case in phrase 1. In phrase 2 and 3, they'r...

hyper-neutrino

@Riolku there are three sorting orders for answers, age, activity, and score

and if you sort by score and there are answers with the same score, it's random

Riolku

3:55 AM

lol aight

ty

Chocolate

4:30 AM

「駆けつけ一杯」って言いますね、普通

「駆けつけ一杯のビール」とか

「駆けつけの一杯」もいいですけど

「駆けつけの一杯のビール」とは言わない気が

「駆けつけの一杯」のあとに「の～～」ってのは、あんまり。。

weblio.jp/content/…

@Riolku これとか　hinative.com/ja/questions/9199259

Riolku

見てみるね

ok I got distracted by a post

so in that post

at the bottom, where they talk about altering the meaning

駆けつけの一杯を飲む is like "to have one quick drink (of beer)"
and 駆けつけのビールを一杯飲む is like...

ok nvm I don't understand why there's a difference lol

Chocolate

5:14 AM

> 駆けつけのビールを一杯飲む would alter the meaning.

how?

わからんｗ

Maybe dainichi-san meant to say it's not idiomatic

Riolku

alright I think ill just leave it, thanks

Eddie Kal

6:14 AM

@Riolku Yes, but there's a reason you don't see that diamond on my account now. But I am not in a position to talk about that yet.

Riolku

oh... ok

Eddie Kal

@Nameless Nope, this is my one and only account

Riolku

I tried posting a new answer to that question... hopefully this one is better

I'm kinda surprised that it translates to "roughly ten minutes", literally it would be something like "it might be 10 minutes and it might not" which is silly in english, but meh

Chocolate

6:29 AM

@EddieKal え

選挙ありましたよね

めちゃくちゃなんかあったんですね

去年

めちゃくちゃもめてますやん。。

知らなかったです　あんまり行ってなかったし　選挙も投票しなかったし

Eddie Kal

6:49 AM

@Chocolate あー、なるほどですね！勉強になりました！ご丁寧にありがとうございました！

Chocolate

えええ

いあいあ

今こんな顔になってるから　😱

Eddie Kal

@Chocolate えーとですね、その件について、まだ終わってないんです、僕にとっては。もめごとは本当に苦手で大嫌いなんですが、今回は多分お恥ずかしいところを見せることを避けられないでしょう。

今のところ、詳しくはまだ言えませんが、メガッヶㇻㇾてルからです。

Chocolate

えええ

Eddie Kal

あ、スネイルさんがまだいてくれればよかったのに.·´¯(>▂<)´¯·.

Chocolate

エディさんここはやめないでくださいね・・・

プリーズドントリーブアス

Eddie Kal

7:16 AM

@Chocolate そう言ってくれてありがとうございます。😭はい、分かりました！諦めるのはまだ早いです！やめませんよ！近頃はJSEは本当に居心地の良い避難所ですから。

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I spent a good 20 minutes mulling over how to edit this post and keep as much the new stuff as possible, but to be honest, it's hard to find any useful and worth-keeping information in the new stuff that the asker added (which was taken from their answer and included in the question).

This user seems to have an urge to explain themself: why I posted the question, why the question is in the form it is in, why I said this and that, and so on and so forth, but it's really unnecessary at best, and confusing and distracting at worst. So I wonder if we should just remove the newly added stuff.

a20

12:52 PM

@EddieKal

How I would summarize his whole edit, if I understood him correctly...:

I do not want to just remember all the combinations of kanji and their corresponding pronunciation and meaning, but I would like to be able to understand which combinations go together, and which do not, as well as how to derive the meaning from a combination of kanji depending on their constituents.

Chocolate

3:00 PM

"What if...?" は、助言・提案・勧誘 (advice, suggestion, invitation/recommendation) を表しますか？

「花を摘んで持っていってあげたら？」
"Why don't you pick some flowers, bring them along and give them to her?"

は、

"What if you picked some flowers, brought them along and gave them to her?"

に書き換えても同じ意味ですか？

Nameless

3:26 PM

"What if..." refers to a hypothetical situation. By combining it with the past form, it makes the situation less "real". It sounds as if somebody is planning that in advance.

Both are essentially the same thing

In the former example, because we're using the present simple, it refers to a more "real" situation

a20

"Why don't you" is more suggestive, the speaker thinks that the person should do that. "What if" rather presents a (hypothetical) scenario to the listener, who should then consider it, "What would happen if ....?"

Nameless

Yeah.

Nameless

3:45 PM

The comment of this answer says that linked page consider ビール一杯を飲む to be ungrammatical : japanese.stackexchange.com/a/8138/45630

The linked page considers*

I can't read where it says that

That comment was posted more than 8 years ago though

Riolku

4:49 PM

たら is a good translation of "why dont you"

if you want to say like "what if the school is closed" id say 学校が閉まるなら(どうする)?