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4:03 PM
@Earthliŋ Huh? I don't recall this at all... I don't think I've ever edited anyone's post just to change romanization.
 
I think KEE to kei?
No?
 
Not ringing any bells.
 
oh well
wasn't you ;)
 
:P
I think I've only edited a total of 2 or 3 posts that weren't mine, so it would have really surprised me if it was me and I had forgotten.
 
Sorry, a difficult-to-remember full name ;)
 
Anonymous
4:10 PM
In my mind the name is Ei<tab completion>
 
4:41 PM
@snailboat I love the Vietnamese names. We have one user with such a name... Let me see... ¸<tab completion>?
 
Anonymous
We have a major Vietnamese population here, so there's Vietnamese writing on all the buses etc.
 
I find it a really comic script
modern Greek is also good with diacritics, but Vietnamese just looks like lots of diacritics added for graphic effect
 
Anonymous
Vietnamese writing is just Latin with diacritics
 
Right. Gotta go, see you!
 
Anonymous
What is ¸ ?
 
Anonymous
4:47 PM
See you!
 
6:27 PM
@Earthliŋ damn you romanization! damn you!
 
Anonymous
@3to5businessdays Most romanization is based on the language itself rather than being a transliteration of kana orthography
 
Anonymous
That's a good thing in theory, but it can confuse people
 
Anonymous
And of course, reading is a highly overlearned activity and using an unfamiliar script bypasses a lot of the learning you've done, so it's harder to read...
 
so I should overlearn the unfamiliar script too?
 
Anonymous
laɪk ɪf aɪ roʊt ˈɪŋɡlɪʃ ɪn ˌaɪ pi ˈeɪ
 
6:32 PM
anyway...
 
Anonymous
@3to5businessdays Um, it seems unlikely to me that you'd want to commit enough time and mental effort
 
Do you know who uses the /ˈjuːfoʊ/ pronunciation?
 
Anonymous
Who? Um, people? :-)
 
Anonymous
I don't know.
 
That said, often times we do read the acronym as a word instead of pronouncing individual letters
NATO
 
Anonymous
6:34 PM
Sure.
 
Anonymous
So you don't think it's a reduced pronunciation.
 
I don't really know
Reduced pronunciation was what I thought at first though
 
Anonymous
It's very easy for the /e/ to drop out for me, and for me to still think about it as though it's there
 
Anonymous
So it's easy for me to imagine that it's a reduced pronunciation
 
Anonymous
6:37 PM
I think I'll delete my answer, though, and research that
 
Anonymous
I was too quick to assume
 
mods/high rep users can still see deleted answers right?
 
Anonymous
Sure.
 
huh, that answer with the romanization is sawa's
 
Anonymous
Yeah.
 
Anonymous
6:55 PM
@3to5businessdays It turns out the assumption I made was wrong!
 
Anonymous
I edited my answer and fixed it. :-)
 
Anonymous
And undeleted.
 
So it's us who have been deviating from the original pronunciation
 
Anonymous
Apparently.
 
Anonymous
It's still very easy for me to imagine it as a reduced pronunciation!
 
7:02 PM
By the way
what's this about 例示字形変更?
is 例示字形 the standard way of writing a character?
 
ah
it introduced a bunch of oddities
well "oddities" is not the right word
more like deviated from Chinese characters a bit more
 
Anonymous
I'm not really knowledgeable enough to talk about why they made the changes they did
 
@snailboat Someone just old me that from classical japanese to modern, まふ changes to おう? Does this ring any bells?
 
Anonymous
@Anthony Well, verbs ending in う used to end in ふ. So 言ふ and the like.
 
7:14 PM
Oh well that makes sense.
 
Anonymous
Did you want to share any context at all for まふ?
 
Anonymous
Let's look this up...
 
I don't have any, someone said he was memorizing changes from classical to modern Japanese.
I'll ask him after class.
 
Anonymous
When I look up words spelled おう in 日本国語大辞典, I see the old spellings わう and あふ and あう and をふ and おふ listed
 
Hmm.
I'll ask.
 
Anonymous
7:18 PM
Of course, what I just wrote is based on the orthography
 
Anonymous
The cabinet announcement lists あう・あふ・わう・はう → おう
 
Anonymous
The actual language itself undergoes sound changes, and after these changes the orthography may be changed to reflect them (or not)
 
Tim
10:30 PM
@snailboat Thank you
 
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