Japanese Language

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1:53 AM

Wow, I just learned that その後 is pronounced as そのご

I used to think the 後 is あと

JMDict lists そのご、そののち、そのあと

but I just heard an NHK announcer pronouncing it as そのご

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2:06 AM

son of a..., この前 is pronounced このまえ

しゅぜん!!!

Darius Jahandarie

4:48 AM

その後 is often pronounced そのあと.

Even more commonly than そのご I'd say. I think it depends on the register.

Hah, japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/6685/…

Random 知恵袋回答者 says 「意味的には同じに見えますけれど、『そのご』というと何か少し硬いような，暗いような印象がする気がします。」

この前 is always pronounced このまえ as far as I know, though. :)

Anonymous

Oh, is 今後 reduced from この後? That reminds me of こないだ

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9:22 AM

Good find

In any case, it's そのご in 研究社新和英中辞典 though.

Actually, is the announcer reading そのご or not at 0:50 in the video?

I have a tendency of mishearing things

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9:56 AM

Thoughts on romaji on kana like this?

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Q: What is the difference between 「はず」 {hazu} and 「わけ」 {wake}?

I know the following two sentences give implication that "not expecting me to understand (it)" but I have a feeling that they give different nuances that I just can't put my finger on: それは分かるわけがないでしょう。 sore ha wakaru wake ga nai deshou. それは分かるはずがないでしょう。 sore ha wakaru hazu ga nai deshou. Would...

> それは分かるわけがないでしょう。 sore ha wakaru wake ga nai deshou

Do you think it's redundant to have both?

@3to5 Also, should the question be changed to "... 「はずがない」 and 「わけがない」"?

Anonymous

10:35 AM

@3to5businessdays The kana and romanization?

Anonymous

Hmm.

Anonymous

shrug :-)

Dan Hulme

it might be useful for outright beginners

Anonymous

I generally leave romaji alone in people's questions unless

Anonymous

1. In some cases, people include romaji only because they can't get Japanese input working

Anonymous

10:37 AM

2. Sometimes people romanize things poorly

Dan Hulme

but since the question assumes you understand 分かる and the rest of the sentence, I don't think that's particularly useful in this case

yeah

TBH, I'd follow the same guidelines the site offers for spelling out kanji

if someone puts it in, assume it's for a reason

Xeo

I wish people would just always put furigana in :<

Anonymous

I added furigana to the はず／わけがない question

Anonymous

Having furigana everywhere can be a bit much

Anonymous

I usually try to add it to an answer if a question seems basic

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10:44 AM

Also

> I think 'wake' implies that things happened as expected, where as 'hazu' implies that what happened is not what was expected.

^ What's this trying to say?

Anonymous

But if the OP is using kanji without furigana, I often don't

Xeo

My problem with that is, that it assumes such questions will only be read by people that know those kanji

Anonymous

Adding furigana everywhere makes stuff harder to read though :-/

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I suspect depending on how the furigana is applied in the question title, it might make a question harder to find

Xeo

@3to5businessdays I guess, if you intersperse it into the kanji word

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10:49 AM

@Xeo Actually what I said might not be true

Wait... it actually might be true

Anonymous

@3to5businessdays Writing 分かる【わかる】 should be a little better for SEO purposes

Xeo

What's with those fancy square brackets

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For example, I like to search using queries like 「"関する" is:q」 to look for questions

Anonymous

They look nicer

Anonymous

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A: Using 全然 with a positive pejorative

It is not correct to say 全然 is used only in the negative context. There are many examples of affirmative usage of 全然: [自己]{じこ}の[主觀的空想]{しゅかんてきくうそう}を[消磨]{しょうま}し[盡]{つく}して[全然]{ぜんぜん}[物]{もの}と[一致]{いっち}したる[處]{ところ}に、[反つ]{かえっ}て[自己]{じこ}の[眞要求]{しんようきゅう}を[滿足]{まんぞく}し[眞]{しん}の[自己]{じこ}を[見]{み}る[事]{こと}ができるのである。...

Anonymous

10:52 AM

Furigana everywhere...

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What a dedicated 回答者!

Xeo

@snailboat Well, you can also just disable them for yourself :P

or make 'em mouse-over-only

Anonymous

That would be a very bad idea

Anonymous

Furigana can be used for unusual or idiosyncratic readings

Anonymous

We probably shouldn't even let people disable furigana

Anonymous

10:53 AM

Mouseover sounds okay, though

Anonymous

Furigana can also be used to distinguish between ambiguous readings

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Though if the unusual reading plays an important part, I think it shouldn't be in furigana

Anonymous

Nonetheless, that's normal in Japanese writing

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Or at least, one should mention it in regular text at least for the first time

I mean in SE

And boy does furigana mess up the layout when the font size is small

Anonymous

What if you're quoting some text from a light novel that uses unusual furigana? Should I write text underneath pointing out each of the 3 unusual instances of furigana?

Anonymous

10:55 AM

@3to5businessdays Or even when the font size is normal

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For example for words like 弱肉強食

Anonymous

弱肉強食！

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じゃくにくきょうしょく

Anonymous

Yeah, I find the worst is when you have a single kanji and you want to write, say, 私【わたくし】

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1:4 ratio

aka "the chaotic ratio"

Anonymous

10:59 AM

I think adding furigana to difficult kanji is good

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Yes

Anonymous

Sometimes I use parentheses instead

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Btw, didn't know Nikkei has columns on ことば

Anonymous

I secretly try my best to arrange my answers so furigana is always at the top of a paragraph

Anonymous

So that it doesn't cause paragraphs to be spaced inconsistently

Anonymous

11:10 AM

We could probably add more furigana than we do right now

Anonymous

Sometimes I just forget about it

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If it's not ambiguous, then I think furigana is not needed

Btw, I feel that the 悲しい vs 寂しい question is rather odd

Anonymous

One thing I've noticed is that people often quote things without reproducing furigana

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Such as?

Anonymous

I feel it's not an exact quote if you add or remove furigana, so I would usually want to say something like (furigana added), although I guess sometimes I don't

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11:13 AM

brb

Anonymous

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Q: Parsing a specific sentence from a book

I have this following sentence: 　横線――ＨＰバーの名で呼ばれる青いそれは、俺の生命の残量を可視化したものだ。 There are a few questions I came up with about this sentence: The first part of the sentence is: 横線―――ＨＰバーの名で呼ばれる青いそれ, my question is how can this sentence be parsed? How does the long ――― change the meaning/parsing ...

translation meaning

Anonymous

That's from SAO

Anonymous

From the very beginning

Anonymous

横線 is given the furigana ライン

Xeo

I wish I could read Japanese well enough for the two latest SAO volumes :<

I read the other ones in English, but since SAO's been licenced, fan-TL is obviously not continuing anymore.

Anonymous

11:20 AM

Ohh, I just checked, and it's given the furigana ライン in the paragraph before that

Anonymous

So it doesn't actually say ライン there

Anonymous

But I assume that's how you're supposed to read it there anyway

Anonymous

So I guess I can't think of an example off the top of my head

Xeo

Japanese authors really like their furigana shenanigans that say something completely different, eh

Anonymous

You can find that sort of thing in any book, but light novels in general tend to use furigana and kanji in unusual ways

Anonymous

11:25 AM

People do that in music, too

Anonymous

Like they'll sing しんきろう (which is 蜃気楼 'mirage'), but they'll write it with the kanji 現実 (which is げんじつ 'reality')

Xeo

@snailboat And visual novels, I hear.

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背

牝犬 had the furigana ビッチー

@Xeo doesn't that depend on popularity or something?

Aren't Naruto, Bleach, Attack on Titans licensed?

Heyo... 「人間万事塞翁が馬」 ← the original use of が as possessive?

Xeo

11:46 AM

@3to5businessdays Baka-Tsuki, the biggest LN-TL community, has a strict ruling wrt licenced material.

As soon as a series is licenced in English, they start taking down their translation.

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12:08 PM

塞翁が馬

Maybe it's a blessing in disguise, to make you study harder

Xeo

heh

I finally came around to putting a bit more vocab into Anki yesterday

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I still haven't resumed my use of Anki

Dan Hulme

my anki vocab list is a bit odd, since most of the stuff in there is from Ghost in the Shell

I can have a conversation in Japanese but only with military enthusiasts

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2:22 PM

Damn my stupid brain!

I keep reading 「スポンサードリンク」 as "sponsor(ed) drink"

Dan Hulme

lol

Xeo

@3to5businessdays Needs　「スポンサード・リンク」

Anonymous

3:07 PM

@3to5businessdays Hee

Anonymous

3:48 PM

@Xeo I don't really know much about visual novels

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5:29 PM

@SnAiL Found a pretty nice online 数え方辞典

Anonymous

5:48 PM

@3to5businessdays Weird

Anonymous

sanabo.com/kazoekata/ct_a/u/usagi

Anonymous

> 慣習的に「羽」で数えますが、動物として数える際は「匹」が適当です。地域によってはウサギ2羽で「ひと耳 (みみ) 」と数えることがあります。また、鳥類とウサギをまとめて「羽」で数えることができます。「小学校の校庭でニワトリとウサギ合わせて20羽を飼育」

Anonymous

That's the exact entry from 数え方の辞典

Anonymous

Is it ... plagiarized?

Anonymous

sanabo.com/kazoekata/ct_a/a/icon

Anonymous

5:51 PM

The 解説 section is taken from 数え方の辞典 and the 意味 section is taken from 大辞泉

Anonymous

sanabo.com/kazoekata/about

Anonymous

> 参考文献
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> 本サイト作成に際して参考にした書籍やWEBサイトは以下のとおりです。
> （WEBサイト）日本経済新聞、朝日新聞、Yahoo!JAPAN、文部科学省、東京大学
> （書籍）数え方の辞典（小学館）、絵でみるモノの数え方辞典（誠文堂新光社）

Anonymous

Hmmph :-)

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6:39 PM

Huh, no wonder the explanation sounds kinda familiar

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11:27 PM

> Despite being the world's No. 3 economy, Japan placed 104th among 142 surveyed countries in terms of gender equality, according to the World Economic Forum's 2014 report on gender disparity.

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