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1:07 AM

Vote on potential site tag lines: meta.iot.stackexchange.com/questions/60

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Q: Should I leave this community?

When I first joined IoT in Area 51, I selected that I was "just curious", because I was. Now I'm noticing that lots of the content is above me and I don't understand it. However, I do understand enough to be helpful moderating the site, such as close votes, downvotes, flags, etc. So, my big qu...

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9:58 AM

@Ghanima I don't answer that much

Well, I say that

10 answers

I didn't realise I had that many

10:21 AM

Also, since IoT doesn't get to participate in Winter Bash, I'm going to run my own version.

Tasks to get a hat will be pinned in the chat

anyone who does it gets an AuroraHat (tm)

"auch das noch"

10:57 AM

@Aurora0001 you are half way to Inquisitive

No, can't be, there weren't enough days

Mahendra Gunawardena

11:18 AM

@Helmar, here is the definition of edge device techopedia.com/definition/6978/edge-device

@Helmar in most cases edge devices connect edge-router that has internet connectivity

@MahendraGunawardena But isn't everything that's on the edge of anything an edge-device depending on the scope of my current view?

Mahendra Gunawardena

Here is definition for an edge-router. techopedia.com/definition/3164/edge-router. All IOT are not edge devices. IMHO IOT is a re branding for of M2M

In the broad scope of yes everything can be on the edge. But a router necessarily is not on the edge, but is part of IOT

@Helmar, I agree there are many definition depending on the audience. This is how an speak at a embedded system conference defined edge-devices. His argument was compelling thus I have embarrassed his definition

I have no general problem with the tag.

Since you are the only one who asked questions yet, I would like you to provide at least an excerpt, possibly a full tag wiki describing what you mean by edge device.

The problem is, that Wikipedia has a far broader definition

"An edge device is a device which provides an entry point into enterprise or service provider core networks. Examples include routers, routing switches, integrated access devices (IADs), multiplexers, and a variety of metropolitan area network (MAN) and wide area network (WAN) access devices. Edge devices also provide connections into carrier and service provider networks."

So we need either a written specific definition, how we use the tag edge-device on this site, or it will be used overly broad and no one, including editors and reviewers will know when to use or not to use it.

Have a look at this: meta.english.stackexchange.com/questions/9442/…

It's from English.SE, but the blueprint still works

11:33 AM

@MahendraGunawardena Sorry for interrupting your conversation, but I know that you are an active user on EE.SE. Can you support our ad on EE.SE meta?

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11:50 AM

I just realized we have enough users with enough reputation to approve tag wikis without Robert's help. Even if one of us high rep users is the one writing them.

@BenceKaulics did you get responses to your linkedIn post?

No, just that one Like.

But none of the admins told me to stop this spam. So I am going to post in the other groups as well.

But as I see we got two new users one with a question and one with an answer. Maybe more participations will come from them.

@Helmar 1/3 of the way

10 out of 30

@Aurora0001 Yeah, I missed the fact that it's limited to 1/day

Yeah, oh well

@Helmar for the tag excerpts, do you think it's better to emphasise tags as TAG-NAME or [tag-name]?

You can't use the proper tag-name syntax of course, but I prefer the latter a bit more

AuroraHat Day 1: Post 3 or more questions in the next 5 days with more than 3 upvotes

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12:09 PM

I prefer capitalization emphasis in the excperpt

or maybe both?

@Helmar both could work, e.g. [ALEXA]

We can also make a meta post to vote on it and make it a community decision

@Helmar yeah, that's worth doing

We should also decide on some guidance for the review queues perhaps

Especially the First Post/Late Answer queues

Where you get virtually no guidance at all

Yeah

I am writing a collection of everything we did about tags so far.

At the minute some people always leave comments, some just upvote - it's a mess

I wonder if I can automate AuroraHat awards somehow

@Helmar that will be very useful

12:12 PM

btw there should be one more tag wiki edit in your queue

2 more :P

I was just about to use the Numerous channel on IFTTT to chain events - turns out it closed months ago

Gives me a good question idea though

yeah, I forgot that that's two

If there's a good answer to my new question, I might try making AuroraHats automatically awarded

Mahendra Gunawardena

@BenceKaulics done

Only one more vote until the ad goes live!

12:24 PM

@MahendraGunawardena Thanks for you efforts. ^^

Also, next question will be the 100th!

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Q: Essential questions #2: The IoT Tag Taxonomy

According to The Real Essential Questions of Every Beta one of the essential questions is to establish a good base for a taxonomy by using sensible tags. To help us keep the the taxonomy clean I'll aggregate some in this post and provide a blueprint suggestion for tag wikis in an answer. If this...

discussion tags

What did I miss?

Reading through now

Does the copy/paste blueprint not work in an indented code block?

Might look a bit less ugly

I'm not sure

Other than that @Helmar it's fantastic

12:35 PM

Thanks

Btw, Ifttt is just toooo slow to answer any of your questions today

@Helmar yeah, no idea what's wrong with it

Click -> go for a run -> click -> have lunch -> click -> read a book -> damn I closed the tab

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Q: Essential questions #2: The IoT Tag Taxonomy

According to The Real Essential Questions of Every Beta one of the essential questions is to establish a good base for a taxonomy by using sensible tags. To help us keep the the taxonomy clean I'll aggregate some in this post and provide a blueprint suggestion for tag wikis in an answer. If this...

discussion tags

Not sure if we can set something like this up yet

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Q: ELU tagging guideline

I am suggesting to create a guideline post describing how to tag specifically for the ELU taxonomy. The discussions in chat and all the posts and comments regarding tags on meta lead me to believe that such a guideline could massively improve the state of our taxonomy going forward. If it's well ...

discussion tags guideline

@Helmar edited my first tag wiki with your blueprint

@Helmar probably best to wait a bit longer and get a clearer picture

We should also start writing a proposal for on/off-topic guidance soon

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12:45 PM

@Aurora0001 You don't have to link the questions, you can just dump the link in as it is in the blueprint

The WYSIWYG doesn't show it, but it works

Ohhhh

I was about to say 'didn't work in the preview' :P

@Aurora0001 Exactly

Wait this is weird

iot.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/340

Do you get a binding vote on tag wiki edits?

When you edited it previously?

Kinda looks like it

Seems... broken

MQTT tag wiki done

1:01 PM

@Aurora0001 Posted on meta.se

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Q: Why can I single click approve edits to tag wikis I edited earlier?

On the emerging IoT.SE which is in private beta I have the privilege to approve tag wikis but have not yet reached the free tag wiki editing privilege. Today another user edited a tag wiki excerpt I edited before. My version was the last and active one. Apparently my approval1 put that edit into ...

discussion edits privileges tag-wiki

As always 50:50 chance that I missed something and get voted into oblivion :)

Yeah, probably status-bydesign or something stupid

I definitely don't think it's a good idea

Eh, little test, can you see this ifttt applet?

ifttt.com/applets/…

Nope

Just says this:

"Maker
Connect Date & Time to Maker"

It's this page

ifttt.com/connect/date_and_time/maker

Sorry, I got rate limited

So i seems the Applets one creates are private. Good to know, since it's not written anywhere.

Yeah, that's good (otherwise it would be a terrible security flaw)

1:10 PM

user image

Those four available options don't fill me with security confidence either

They allow POST commands but say nothing about authentication

The solution seems to be "deal with it yourself"

They also seem to have zero documentation on their own homepage

Once again, "deal with it yourself" :P

And then blogs tell you stuff that seems blatantly wrong (e.g. the password thing)

And their homepage is sooooo slow

Too much fancy JavaScript

1:41 PM

Also @Helmar maybe your meta request should be support or bug?

I wonder if you get super edit approval powers because Robert Cartaino approved your edit as well

You could try editing this tag wiki which was approved by regular users: iot.stackexchange.com/posts/371/revisions

@Aurora0001 Good point

Mahendra Gunawardena

2:09 PM

@Aurora0001 @Helmar I have formulated a question per our previous chat and posted the question. iot.stackexchange.com/questions/388/…

I'll have a look

Also I don't think Helmar will get your ping (only one person gets pinged per message)

@Helmar see above

Congrats, @MahendraGunawardena, you posted the 100th question!

@Aurora0001 Actually I did

Oh fair enough

It's not like comments then

You definitely don't get pinged for that

@MahendraGunawardena your question seems very useful, but I think it could easily be 3 separate questions

"What characteristic are important when considering simple, lightweight IOT server?" would be a good question on its own

Yeah, comments is only one per comment and only on their post or if they commented on that post as well

Damn, I was still in edit mode. @Aurora0001 ;)

Sorry :P

I think we need a good canonical question about which protocols are best in certain situations really

2:16 PM

Anyways, @MahendraGunawardena, I'd suggest that you make it a bit more clear in the body, that your question is the one from the title. Otherwise people will possibly vote to close because they think the related questions are your question.

@Helmar agree totally, I thought that at first

user image

@Helmar wow

carefully cropped I see :P

@Aurora0001 It's all about naming

@Aurora0001 Yeah, no need to advertise that key ;)

But now I can't trigger 1000 apocalypses!

2:28 PM

user image

Yeah, losing that key would be kinda bad

Can it even be reset?

I hit a button that might do that, I'll tell you when the page loaded

2:41 PM

@Aurora0001 Yes, it can be reset by reconnecting to the Maker Channel

That's a good thing

Hm, it seems also to be the only thing that the edit connection button does

So avoid hitting that unless you want to change that key :D

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4:35 PM

Another LinkedIn group has been notified. Maybe I will reach 2 Like here. :D

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I wonder if I could rig up a Google Sheets spreadsheet to monitor the AuroraHats

(I mean, it would help if I had a Google Account to do that :P)

Is this page broken for anyone else?

accounts.google.com/…

4:53 PM

@Helmar, @BenceKaulics: a few tag wikis for you to review

5:14 PM

Just some of our involvement within #IoT - learn more: http://bit.ly/2hNEYCU https://t.co/1udeWUjRc5

Tweeted by ubuntu on December 18, 2016 at 5:10 PM

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@Aurora0001 Not for me

@Aurora0001 Done

thanks

Also, I broke the 50 reviewed edits barrier :)

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Well done - I only have 16 :P

iot.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/stats

Robert Cartaino's on 79

Then you on 52

@BenceKaulics on 19

Then me and Sean Houlihane

We can currently monopolize the tag wiki approvals

Unfair for the rest ;)

5:25 PM

Also, as a bonus for you, my recent tag wiki edits count as 2 when I also modify the tag excerpt

True :)

Is there anyone here who hasn't voted on the EE.SE advert?

We only need 1 more vote

Review done.

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Thanks @BenceKaulics

I got +10 rep from those edits you just reviewed

I thought it was an upvote :P

@Helmar do tag wiki edits count for Strunk & White? If not I think the counter is wrong

@Aurora0001 I think the full wiki edit does

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Haven't checked it today though

5:36 PM

Just registered for Google Drive

Time to test if AuroraHats will work

RSS Feed > IFTTT > Append Row to Google Drive > Recalculate hats

Testing to see if the Star feed works now

It's apparently up to an hour delay unfortunately

IT WORKS!

Nice

5:51 PM

I'll show you in a sec once I get it working nicely

Also there's no opt-out, so you get hats like it or not

6:03 PM

There is an I hate hats button right?

(don't worry, I don't hate hats)

@10Replies no, because no-one would ever hate hats

And I'm too lazy to do it

Hats in 5.85 hours!!!

@10Replies AuroraHats will be here first

Also, there may not be actual hat graphics yet

lol, hats without hats... *mind blown*

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ASCII hat?

6:11 PM

Aurora is building the Internet of Hats—without hats.

Is it just me of feels communication a bit meta?

@Helmar I agree, it's not a great tag

I was about to type hat

Not quite perfect yet, still debugging my excel code :P

6:27 PM

I added more tag wikis, it's review time for you guys

@Helmar, @10Replies: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/…

Not very "hat"-like at the moment

but it works

@Helmar done

@Aurora0001 Nice :)

Ideas for "hats" are welcome

But wasn't your hat-task asking positively scored questions?

It will be one

Except I can't check the positively scored bit with the RSS feed

6:32 PM

It's the one you pinned ;)

So just ask 3 questions, and I'll assume they were good

@Helmar I'll fix that

AuroraHats! Track your progress here.

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I can do three questions in five days :)

Also, suggest hat names as well as the criteria for them

Won't be long until I get my 'hat'

H̛͋̿͗̔͒̉̄͌̅͐̀̄̋̑͒̈́̾́̍̾̈̄̄͂̈́̀̿́̓̈́̔̌̑̀͊̿͛͛̉̌̈́̒̄̈́̇͛͒̿̀̀̋̋̒̋̔̏̌̌̉͛̉̃̉̀̊͐͒̐̚͘͘̚̚̕̚͝͝͝‌̛̌̄̉͆͂̓̉̽̋̈̓̃̏͆̈͐͝͝a͗̉̀̒́̐̊ṫ͒̐͆̂̿̊s̈́͂͆̾̽̀͛̈́͑̒͊̋̅̓̋͂̅͋̀͗̓́̆͋̍͗͌̓̐̄̾͌̀̀̆͗͂̀͘̕̚̕͠͝͝‌̽̉̽́̽̓!͛̋͐̄̓͗̈̋̈̿̿̍͒́̾̾̓͋͠͝͝

aaaaaaaah

no

"You have fully used your vote allowance for today"

6:36 PM

Lol

i hate that

It's alright, I can exploit an SE bug to get more stars

Just pin and unpin

I got a hat!

Now, why is there an empty row?

An invisible hatter probably

*The invisible hatter

Why does the chat have a character limit ;( I wanted to give my hats more unicode hats

h̛̛̛̽̆͂̎̉̑͌͗̎͗̉̑̋̽̿̈́͛́̒̈̎̿͂̏̓̓̍̍͐͐͋͋̋͒̈́̍́̋̾́̊̾̌̐̊̄͐͊̏̈́͂̇̋̈͆̾́̑̌́͂̍̀͋̑͐̕͘͘̕̚̕̕͠͠͝‌̛̛̃͗͊̆̓͗͛̈́́̇̔̄͌͘͘̚̚͝͝a̛̛̐̆̆̾̀̂̔̐́̃̇̇̃̓̍̍̽͑͑̾͑̍̉̉̈̆͂͛̅̄͌͌͌͆̐͛͂̈̇͑̓́̒͛̅̀̄̽̕̕̚̕͝͠͝͠͝‌̛̃̓́͐̓͆̂̃̎̐̋̉̓̇͒̅̾̎̈́̍̾̈́͐̃̍̈́͑͛̽̄͂̂͘̕͘̕͘͝͝͝t͊̎̓̄̂̉͛̈́̄̑̈́̍̎̃̑̉̿̿̆̆͂́̄̿͒̇́͊̓͂́̀̎̕̚͝͝͝͝‌͆̓͋̀̈́̃́̉̃̒̎̂̎́̈́̐̈̋͆̐̔͛̏͋̈͛̿̽͋͑͊̀̿̂́̀̔̊͂̊̊̇̄̈́̒̈́̒͗̈́͂͂̕̚͘͘̕̕͠͝͠͝s̔͛̅͋͌̏̈́̑̉̒̓̿͗̎͘͠͠͝͠‌͒͐̌́͛̈͋̐͗̾̌̍̃̈̀̃͛͐̊̽͑͗̀͂̃̎̎͐͐̐͛͌͆̂͗̄͐̎̾̆̉͗̉̾̊̾̓̈̾̉̍͒̿̒̊̐̇̔́̓͂̋̔͗̈́̽̿̾̑͊̚̕̕̚̕̕͘̚͠͠͝

Fixed the hat chart!

I created the superior hat.

My attempts at making the hat look like a top hat have still failed

6:46 PM

I found a hat generator

trumphat.github.io

Lol the short url is bitly.com/ASSHAT

Hahahaha

Got any ideas what I should call my 3 questions in 5 days hat?

6:58 PM

The Ask-A-Lot hat is now added

Maybe Sir Ask-A-Lot

status-complete

:)

I was going to put a time constraint on, but it's probably too much work

How is the user column populated?

7:01 PM

As soon as a user is found in one of the feeds, they get added

e.g. if you pop up in the new questions or stars feed

Even if you're not yet eligible for a hat, you're still added in if the spreadsheet knows about you

Time to reveal a dirty secret

Look at the columns A, B and C now

What happened to column D?

I shrunk it down because it's empty

Also, while you created the hat thing, i made an even better hat!

̎̿̈́͌ ͋̅̉̐ ̛̛̆́̃͊͐̾̽̂͑́ ̛͑̏̈́͂̿́̔͗͒͘͠ ̛̍̏̀͂́̄̊͒̌̊̿ ͑̒̾̐̈́̐̊̈́̿̉̏̚͘ ̈̏̂̓͂͌̃́̃͌̓̍̔̕͘͝ ̛͒̆̎̽̑̃̍̈́̕̚̕ ̑̑̅̇̃̊͑͑̊̓͂͝ ̃̈́̋͆̒̚ ̎̿̈́͌ ͋̅̉̐

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How are you getting the data into the sheet in the first place?

SE provide an RSS feed for new questions and starred items in the chat

I have an IFTTT applet which fetches those and then appends a new row every time something is added

Truly in the spirit of IoT, don't you think?

Unnecessarily complex, not that much good, and you waste hours making it

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7:08 PM

That's three out of the four IoT basics, with the last being, buying way to expensive gadgets.

Here we go

pbump.net/files/post/trumphat/…

The Phoenix hat is now working

For any question that gets on the hot tab

I don't think private beta questions can get hot

How about a meta hat

I just mean iot.stackexchange.com/?tab=hot

And yeah, meta hats are a good idea

Oh, my mistake, I thought you meant the hot network doomsday queue

Nope, I don't think that has a feed

Hooray, I got the hat!

7:24 PM

stackexchange.com/feeds

I will do the meta hat tomorrow, since I have to do other things for a while

Enjoy your hats.

7:49 PM

@Aurora0001 wait, there's no hat for "not removing the most magnificent Aurora from roomownership"?

8:03 PM

security tip: regularly change your birthplace and mother's maiden name

Tweeted by jhpot on December 15, 2016 at 3:55 PM

8:48 PM

@Ghanima status-declined - that would encourage something I don't want

too bad

I would think the existence of the hat would encourage something you would want

Any other hat ideas?

I'll work on the meta hat next

@Ghanima your hat just got added, congratulations!

Benevolent Dictator

What would be the criteria for that?

"Benevolent Dictator - Achieved by being Aurora0001"

you decide

probably something like that, sure

I am off for now, when I join again tomorrow, everybody will already have plenty of hats :(

8:54 PM

@Ghanima see you later!

@Ghanima status-complete

You get the "hat" for starting any meta discussion

Because Benevolent Dictators love to hear the opinions of others

Then they ignore them and do what they like

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