Chat of Things

Helmar

6:04 PM

Congrats @Aurora0001

Aurora0001

Thanks @Helmar

I'm going to try and vote to delete some terrible questions

Not sure whether this is worth deleting

-9

Q: Is it possible to connect 3.5" drive to IOT device that do not run on Linux

As I know, for using 3.5" hard-drive you need a full operation system (Linux) for device drivers. Is it correct? Do you have an example of IoT device that saves data on SSD hard drive or other hard drive (not flash, or memory stick) using FAT32/NTFS or similar?

it's hideously unclear and off-topic, but the answers should be saved if possible I think

I wonder if we could write a better question to merge the answers into

Helmar

Impossible, if the question gets canned the answers get canned too

Aurora0001

meta.stackexchange.com/a/58844/336144 seems to suggest that you can merge instead to save the answers

Ghanima

@Aurora0001 Praised be thee, oh Madnificence!

Helmar

@Aurora0001 But it's not a duplicate, what do you want to merge it with?

Aurora0001

6:10 PM

@Helmar that's the issue, I don't think it could be merged

unless someone specifically constructs a question that is on-topic

maybe best just to leave it after thinking about it

Sadly I can't retract a delete vote (why???)

Helmar

If I remember meta correctly it was because

Something about the UI being irritating if it was possible

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 By the time you get to that point, you are considered to be responsible enough only to vote carefully, especially with the mod tools.

@Helmar I think you're more onto the real reason there.

Aurora0001

@anonymous2 well voting on the question exclusively it definitely merits deletion

Ghanima

@Aurora0001 you cannot!

it got such a good answer ;)

Helmar

Come on, it's just 65 of your rep :D

Aurora0001

6:13 PM

@Ghanima honestly I didn't see the answers before I voted

oh well, it can't be deleted anyway - not enough voters to get rid of it

Ghanima

that's like half my rep, it cannot be deleted

Helmar

Do delete votes age?

anonymous2

104

Q: Ability to retract reopen/delete votes

It seems that now we can retract close votes but we cannot retract reopen votes or delete votes. I am trying to retract my reopen vote here but it does not allow me to. Can we have that ability?

feature-request vote-to-delete vote-to-reopen

Ghanima

@Helmar I would hope so

but I am not sure

flags do

Aurora0001

@Helmar just looked, don't think they do (frustratingly)

Helmar

6:15 PM

@anonymous2 Yeah, that's what I meant

anonymous2

@Helmar Votes to delete or undelete never expire.

Aurora0001

Also @Ghanima, as long as no-one deletes within 60 days you're fine

28

A: When should I vote to delete a question?

If it's closed, it's fair game: vote to delete unless you can see that it has some value for the site (in which case you should probably vote to re-open). The exception to this (and it's a big one!) are questions closed as duplicates. These can act as "guideposts" to direct users to a question w...

anonymous2

233

A: How does deleting work? What can cause a post to be deleted, and what does that actually mean? What are the criteria for deletion?

How can a post be deleted? By a user: You can typically delete your own posts at will; for exceptions, see When can’t I delete my own post? below. To delete a post, just use the delete link below it. Moderators can delete any post instantly. Users with reputation ≥ 2k (more precisely, the edit...

Aurora0001

not that sorry

Reputation and Historical Archives

Josh Heyer on March 6, 2012

If you've been around Meta Stack Overflow the past few days, you've seen a fair bit of conversation sparked by the recent changes to how reputation is calculated:

if you've contributed something worthwhile to the site, you should keep the reputation for that even if it eventually gets deleted. "Worthwhile" here is defined as,

A score of 3 or greater

Visible on the site for at least 60 days

anonymous2

Section under "How do votes to delete work?"

Argh, I'll get it right yet.

:)

Ghanima

6:18 PM

never mind, keep discouraging users from providing answers :(

Aurora0001

@Ghanima for what it's worth, sorry for voting to delete without checking

although I wish votes to delete weren't quite as permanent

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 If ever it does go through, you can vote to undelete.

Aurora0001

@anonymous2 yeah, and I doubt it ever will be deleted

Ghanima

@Aurora0001 I guess I should try to get pro tem and abuse my powers to undelete it ;)

anonymous2

Or you can bribe a pro-tem to delete and subsequently undelete; thus clearing the votes... Shhh! I didn't say anything...

Aurora0001

6:21 PM

Or I can try and save it through editing :P

Helmar

Apropos, when are the pro-tems picked? Wasn't that around 7 days?

Aurora0001

7 days into public beta

Helmar

Ah

Ghanima

which is why getting into public beta should be our primary goal

anonymous2

@Ghanima Um, I think there are other reasons too... :)

Aurora0001

6:22 PM

@Ghanima in terms of question numbers we're probably ok for public beta

views are not great but probably good enough

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 Honestly I expect we'll make it.

It's fighting up from public to graduation that becomes the long slugging.

Helmar

I checked view numbers from other pages that did get into public beta and they were lower even after going public

Ghanima

@anonymous2 uhm, as I was trying to imply, everything (scope, users, mods) is moot if we not make it

Aurora0001

@anonymous2 IoT permanent beta in the title bar then?

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 ?

Helmar

6:24 PM

@Aurora0001 Until we leave public beta

Aurora0001

As in we'll never escape beta

:P

anonymous2

Oh. ^^

@Ghanima I know, sorry. It's just your message read a bit odd.

Helmar

It's only fitting, all the IoT stuff is in beta anyways :D

2

Ghanima

@anonymous2 it probably did

anonymous2

@Ghanima No worries.

@Ghanima Which is why the smiley face was beside... because you weren't supposed to take it too seriously. :)

Aurora0001

6:26 PM

Do you think editing that terrible question with a lot more detail that the OP didn't say would be too much?

anonymous2

Oops, I just stuck my smiley in my mouth.

Ghanima

@anonymous2 keep piling on, there goes the next broken user

:'(

anonymous2

@Ghanima So sorry... :*(

Ghanima

@Aurora0001 usually the deal of editing is to "preserve the intent of the OP"

so heavy editing is kindof discouraged

Aurora0001

@Ghanima does that still apply to abandoned, closed questions?

Ghanima

6:28 PM

@Aurora0001 not sure, but I have never read otherwise

Aurora0001

I'll do my edit and let you see if you think it's too far

Ghanima

the thing is that "abandoned" is quite hard the be sure of (especially only a few days after the fact)

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 If you really think the question is salvageable, you can ask another question with what you feel would be a question with ideas from the OP's question linking to the closed question.

Aurora0001

iot.stackexchange.com/posts/111/revisions

thoughts anyone?

anonymous2

Well... It's about as good a job as you could do...

Aurora0001

6:32 PM

@anonymous2 I think it was treated a bit more harshly than it would have done if it was posted today

Helmar

It's still kinda two questions

Ghanima

IDK, but I am somewhat biased

Aurora0001

@Helmar that's true, but I think that they're so closely linked that it's hard to do anything

Helmar

Also the physical device doesn't really matter

Aurora0001

No, but I do love an example to add if possible

Do delete votes go away if the question's reopened?

Helmar

6:39 PM

@Aurora0001 Idk

Hm, we still have the usb tag and no idea about the way the hdd (or sdd) is gonna be connected

I guess the intent was using a USB connection

Aurora0001

@Helmar do you think it's worth editing that in?

Ghanima

which is why "guessing" the OPs intent is not encouraged ;)

Helmar

Well we can either edit it out and lose more context or we can edit it in and make the best answer unfitting :/

Aurora0001

My suggestion: just ignore the problem and leave that as it is

Helmar

Of course the Win 10 Core answer might answer that. But I didn't research if core even does support USB.

Aurora0001

6:47 PM

Honestly the best solution would be if the OP could clarify, but it's doubtful that will happen

Ghanima

@Helmar I am pretty sure it does

Aurora0001

The user looks active on Stack Overflow

Aminadav, TLV, Israel

3.9k 14 53

javascript node.js jquery angularjs html express mysql

active 3 hours ago

so maybe the inbox message will be enough to prompt them to come back

Ghanima

@Aurora0001 oh Madnificent, could you try to outline the why your sensor node needs a neural net?

Aurora0001

@Ghanima my idea is something like a smart thermostat that uses regression to predict which level of heat should be used based on time and the current heat setting

although it's also just a question based on curiosity equally

The way I imagine, the boiler level would be set based on past settings for the time of the day and you could train the neural network by changing the temperature setting to improve the model

quora.com/… is quite like what I'm thinking

Ghanima

ok, so I guess I do not have to remove my vote ;)

Aurora0001

6:55 PM

probably locked in anyway :P

wait no

I just edited

Ghanima

yeah, you edited

tricked you!

Aurora0001

@Ghanima you can always just edit it yourself though then change your vote :P

Ghanima

Oh Most Madnificent, not all users can simply edit on a whim

Aurora0001

@Ghanima suggested edit though

Helmar

@Aurora0001 Guess that's #8 on that ninja list

Ghanima

6:57 PM

@Aurora0001 but then you'll probably have to wait for it to be approved

Aurora0001

@Helmar Might need to expand it to my top 20 tips

@Ghanima even better - then it makes it harder to tell who unupvoted :P

Also I wish the chat would actually tell you who left as the icon drifts away

Ghanima

why is that?

Aurora0001

@Ghanima so I know who left :P

How else is your benevolent dictator supposed to keep a firm grip on the chat?

Ghanima

boy we really need to "disown" you soon

Aurora0001

Sounds like a revolution...

Anyone noticed how the "Smart" Bin also happens to be on the sidebar of the site now?

I vote to undelete

Ghanima

7:06 PM

go ahead, undelete it :P

well I don't see why we need a smart waste bin though

Aurora0001

How do you do that when you didn't even delete it yourself?

@Ghanima it was more just a test

Ghanima

users can delete their stuff as they wish, everything else can be flagged if need be

Aurora0001

I'll just leave it to die now

I do love testing shiny new features

Ghanima

@Aurora0001 it doesn't work this way, as it obviously would defeat the purpose

Aurora0001

@Ghanima delete the purpose? :P

@Ghanima did you nuke the bin?

Ghanima

7:10 PM

~~nope~~ yepp

Aurora0001

@Ghanima thanks

I just searched for how to delete

found this

42

Q: How do you delete a room on chat?

I created a test room on chat, but I can't see how to delete it.

support delete chat

then it was already gone by the time I could ask

Ghanima

I would have guessed that you cannot

Aurora0001

A mod's needed

Which is why I was about to ask you

knowing that you have superpowers

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 To delete Things?

;)

Aurora0001

@anonymous2 all competitors to AuroraChat must be deleted

Ghanima

7:12 PM

@anonymous2 things, users, you name it

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 I hope you don't make it to pro-tem then, because you'll be able to delete Askanonymous2, and Shadow's Den, and the Pitstop... ::'(

Helmar

is nothing sacred? https://t.co/rgbeDTcdKS

Tweeted by internetofshit on November 25, 2016 at 10:49 AM

It's all going in there

anonymous2

@Helmar, you're RO?

Aurora0001

@anonymous2 it's alright, you're a loyal supporter

Helmar

@anonymous2 huh?

anonymous2

7:14 PM

@Helmar Room Owner

Aurora0001

@anonymous2 Ghanima added Helmar

anonymous2

Ah, is that it!

I just couldn't find the feed so wasn't sure what had happened.

Aurora0001

So @Helmar also gets the incredibly useful privileges

such as:

- clearing off stars (why?)

anonymous2

Kick-mute

Aurora0001

- kick-mute (yeah, I guess that's useful)

Helmar

7:15 PM

@Aurora0001 sacrilege!

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 When it comes to me...

Aurora0001

@Helmar bye stars!

Helmar

Gross misuse of power

Aurora0001

ARGH

anonymous2

@Helmar You can kick him...

Aurora0001

7:16 PM

"You have fully used your vote allowance for today"

here's a question

anonymous2

@Helmar Or even de-ownerfy him, however you say that.

@Aurora0001 That's a statement. ;)

Aurora0001

@anonymous2 the question's still coming

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 Great. Sorry, jk.

Aurora0001

can I clear off stars from things I've starred

@anonymous2 I know ;)

and if I do, can I get more stars

let's test

Nope

anonymous2

Hey, not that one!

Aurora0001

7:18 PM

Clearing stars doesn't give them back

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 You can put it back on by pinning it.

Aurora0001

Alright, power tested.

Helmar

Why is a neural network called a neural network if it's not networked?

What's it networking?

Aurora0001

neurons

Helmar

On a microcontroller, uhuh

anonymous2

7:19 PM

@Helmar Because the nervous system is networked, and it's based off the nervous system.

Seriously, idk.

Aurora0001

You can pin multiple things?

That's interesting

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 Oh yes.

You can even run up so many pins that some of them aren't displayed.

Hope none of you were watching while I tested in Things.

Aurora0001

@anonymous2 you aren't following my model: test in the main chat room

You get so many test ~~victims~~ willing participants

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 Um, you have to be RO to pin a message.

Aurora0001

@anonymous2 of course

I could always fix that :P

Everyone can be a room owner :P

jk, probably a bad idea

anonymous2

7:25 PM

Funny, I think I just discovered a bug, though.

Aurora0001

@anonymous2 what's that?

anonymous2

A sec.

@Aurora0001 Yes, antechambers, as @Ghanima calls them, can have as many RO's as they like, but the main chat is better stuck to a few. Some have only one. Usually they're frequented by mods in any case.

Aurora0001

@anonymous2 I subscribe to the idea of ~~chaos~~ community moderation ;)

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 Getting a screenshot.

Do you see what I see?

Aurora0001

What?

all the stars?

anonymous2

7:29 PM

The stars beside the messages. The pins have been removed, but the stars stay there.

But they're not really there; they just appear to be there.

Aurora0001

I think pinning gives an implicit star

the one I pinned is showing as starred by me

even though I have no stars to give

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 That screenshot is after the pins are removed.

Otherwise, they look like outlined stars.

Aurora0001

Unpinning perhaps doesn't unstar?

anonymous2

With a yellow star in the middle if you were one of the starrers/pinners

@Aurora0001 No, they're unstarred. Check, some of them are my messages.

Furthermore, they are no longer on the right side.

Do you see the stars on your side?

Aurora0001

yep

all black filled in stars

anonymous2

7:31 PM

Refreshing and they're still there.

Aurora0001

Let me test something

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 Which would mean that someone else starred them, but they're not pinned.

Yep, it's a bug.

Aurora0001

Does the yep show as starred to you?

anonymous2

Yes sir.

(ma'am)

Aurora0001

sir

:P

anonymous2

7:32 PM

Great, sir.

Aurora0001

So you've found a way to give unlimited stars, including ones to yourself

Ghanima

you will address his Madnificence as such!

anonymous2

Sorry, but it occurred to me last minute that I didn't actually know for absolute certain.

Cheater!

Aurora0001

@Ghanima have a (cheat) star

@anonymous2 to be fair it's not a serious, exploitable bug

Room owners can cause far more trouble than unlimited stars

@anonymous2 also good to ask, we don't want to seem like we're excluding anyone

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 True enough. I'll put a post on meta eventually just to let them know it's there.

Aurora0001

7:35 PM

@anonymous2 yeah, bug reports are always useful

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 It's a lot easier in English than French, lol. At least we only rarely have to accord things.

Aurora0001

@anonymous2 German also has some trouble doesn't it? That's why a lot of continental European jobs have (m/f) or (h/f) at the end of the job title

because otherwise you'd have to use both the masculine and feminine

and then make the adjectives agree

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 Think that's right. Same thing in Greek, but who uses that these days?

Aurora0001

@anonymous2 people living in Greece?

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 Lol, true, but I meant around here.

I've met a bunch of German people, but no Greek yet.

Aurora0001

7:38 PM

@anonymous2 oh, makes a lot more sense :P

anonymous2

Of course, there is a Greek language proposal which I'm following, so maybe more on the way...

Aurora0001

@anonymous2 is that proposal for modern or ancient Greek?

or both?

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 Both, I think... at least I hope... Otherwise maybe I should stop following, lol.

0

Q: Unpinned messages stay starred

I just ran across a bug in chat. If you are the room owner, you have the ability to pin/unpin messages. However, recently I ran a test (in my own private chat-room, don't worry! :) ) to see how many messages I could pin and what happens if I ran over the limit. However, I ran across a bug whic...

bug chat chat-stars chat-pins room-owner

Done already.

Aurora0001

You can have my +1 for that

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 Thanks... :)

For posting it or for calling you a friend?

;)

Aurora0001

7:42 PM

Both!

You're missing critical-bug though

2

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 Lol, don't think I'll put that one on.

Out of curiosity, if you pin a starred message and unpin, does it stay at two stars?

Yep.

Aurora0001

You have your answer

However, you can't repin it to get 3 stars

interesting

anonymous2

Some of my messages over in Things have permanent stars. I can't unstar them because they're my messages.

Aurora0001

@anonymous2 it's probably too late to undo anyway

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 Awww, would be cool if you could just keep gradually bringing the number of stars up until it has 10 or 20 or so.

@Aurora0001 You're right, it is.

Aurora0001

7:46 PM

Unstarring then repinning gives the star back

anonymous2

Should have known there is nothing new under SE...

15

Q: Chatroom owners can star their own messages

I was able to star my own message by pinning it and unpinning it. Pinning a message adds a star, even to your own messages, but when the pin is removed, the star remains.

support chat chat-stars

Aurora0001

So it's been like this for 4 years?

wow

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 Enjoy your privilege. ;)

It will probably stay like that for a while.

Aurora0001

@anonymous2 Officially approved now, it seems!

Oh well, I won't abuse it*

* Abuse is defined solely by Aurora0001

Here's an interesting point

Do I count as a user for iot.stackexchange.com/help/badges/69/outspoken

anonymous2

Not unless your messages have been starred by 10 different users.

Aurora0001

7:51 PM

@anonymous2 but do I only need 9 different users now?

anonymous2

There are only 4 or 5 regulars who star; 2 who really star...

Aurora0001

What is going on with these stars?

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 Now that is a good question.

Aurora0001

All I need are 9 sockpuppets so I can test

anonymous2

Sorry, I'm very close to my daily limit, so I'm trying to keep things balanced...

Aurora0001

7:52 PM

@anonymous2 fair enough

you don't get infinite stars

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 No, I don't. ;)

You do, and so does @Helmar, but I don't.

I don't know if @Ghanima does.

I assume he can pin as a chat mod.

STARS AND PINGS FOREVER!!!

Aurora0001

@anonymous2 my guess is yes

And if not he can make himself a room owner

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 True.

Aurora0001

Time to think of another question for today

since we only had 2 in the last 24 hours

anonymous2

@Aurora0001, iot.stackexchange.com/q/329/49

Aurora0001

8:03 PM

Looks good to me

anonymous2

Aww, you didn't have to...

Aurora0001

@anonymous2 I can't resist upvoting good questions :P

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 Yield not to temptation...

Aurora0001

@anonymous2 Sadly, I can't help it

also, why is this starred:

15 mins ago, by Aurora0001

Here's an interesting point

anonymous2

Ahh... I meant to star the one above it.

Aurora0001

8:11 PM

@anonymous2 don't know how someone upvoted your meta answer so quickly before me

I even get inbox notifications and I was still beaten

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 Well, you know how Room Owner can star his own messages? It just so happens that on that one, I'm Post Owner... ;)

2

Aurora0001

@anonymous2 sounds like a good feature

Since you're the post owner you should, of course, get 2 votes

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 It gets really useful on the main site.

Ghanima

we should reconsider who is RO here

Ghanima

8:34 PM

just kidding, btw

anonymous2

@Ghanima His Excellency Aurora will tolerate no competition!

Ghanima

which is why I made Helmar RO before his Madnificence got settled in too well

anonymous2

@Ghanima Goooood moooove, sssir, goooood moooove!

2

But we mustn't let him know we've spoken, eh?

Ghanima

Danger is my second name

room topic changed to Chat of Things: General discussion for iot.stackexchange.com (no tags)

4

^ per meta.iot.stackexchange.com/a/15/54

anonymous2

Yay!

Can't believe my suggestion was accepted by the community... :)

Ghanima

8:44 PM

aaaah, what should I be doing, listen to you or to SE hint?

anonymous2

@Ghanima Umm... well, there is SE and there is the SE community...

:)

Room tags should be stars, stars, stars. :)

Aurora0001

@anonymous2 you need to make it on the main site first though

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 Not necessarily.

Check Things.

Aurora0001

room topic changed to Chat of Things: General discussion for iot.stackexchange.com [stars]

Turns out I was wrong

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 Lol, I cheated, I had already put stars and things as tags on Things.

Aurora0001

8:50 PM

meta.iot.stackexchange.com/questions/111/… one prolific user in particular? :P

Ghanima

uhm, öhm, tss, what should I say?

anonymous2

@Ghanima Speak now! His Excellency DEMANDS an answer. Do you DARE insult him?

Aurora0001

Look, I don't always accept the first answer

6

Q: Can Mosquitto support multiple brokers?

I've been considering Mosquitto for a MQTT message broker for a home IoT network, but I'm concerned that the broker could be a single point of failure which could bring down my whole network if it failed, since all messages have to go through the broker and no messages can be transmitted at all i...

networking mqtt mosquitto

:P

Ghanima

so I was probably not referring to thy Holy Madness

anonymous2

@Ghanima Seriously, it's worth bringing up in a general way, not in an accusative way, whatever the case. There is absolutely nothing wrong with accepting an answer quickly. We're just looking for the best way to promote IoT.

IMHO, that is.

Aurora0001

8:54 PM

@anonymous2 honestly I'm not upset in any way, and it's a good point

which is why I'm writing my own thoughts in an answer

Ghanima

@anonymous2 does it really come off as accusative?

Aurora0001

@Ghanima I don't think that's what he means

anonymous2

@Ghanima Not at all.

Aurora0001

I think he's saying that the way you're saying it (in a general way) is the best approach

and I totally agree

Ghanima

I used plenty of should could consider ;)

anonymous2

8:55 PM

@Ghanima I was speaking in generalities.

@Aurora0001 Right on.

@Ghanima And that (IMO) is the way to do it.

Ghanima

and now I should consider to accept your answer before his Most Holy Excellency finishes his

Aurora0001

9:06 PM

0

A: How fast should I be accepting an answer?

I tend to accept answers relatively quickly, under certain criteria: does the answer cover all of the question in enough detail? am I happy that I don't want any further clarification that another answer might provide? is the question old enough (definitely more than 1-2 hours if possible) to h...

Ghanima

if you believe that the question could be answered more completely, why not answer even if it is accepted? well there's those people looking for the rep (the extra 15)

and there is those people who visit the "unanswered" link where your question won't show up anymore

Aurora0001

If the answer has 1 upvote, it will still be removed

so unless you completely ignore the answer, it'll still be removed from the tab

Ghanima

@Aurora0001 darn, I was not considering that

Aurora0001

Anyway, I'm off now.

bye bye

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 I'm not so concerned about the unanswered link as just a face value glance at main page.

Aurora0001