@HodofHod The decision was that it's good enough that people can download and use as is. We're going to make it better. We could theoretically keep making it better forever, but hopefully, we'll get it to 99.5% by tomorrow morning.
@HodofHod Share, share, share. By the time half the people you share with see the link, the file to download will be better than it is now, anyway.
Hey @Jin, who would we talk with about getting an announcement of the haggadah project out via SE's G+/Twitter feeds? (I see posts show up on G+ from lots of different SE sites, all via one SE account, but I have no idea how those posts are chosen and managed.)
Still editing, so not sticking around. Thanks @Jin, @MonicaCellio. Came here to report my excitement and discovering that global find/replace of a straight quotation mark (single or double) with a curly one makes them all curl the right way automatically. One fell swoop [each]. Woohoo!
This question as inspired by the comments to my answer here. (See also my answer here.)
Is is proper, in the context of this site, to use Christian or other non-Jewish sources (for example, secular Biblical scholars) in answering questions, particularly exegetical questions?
On the one hand, th...
@SethJ I think I've seen the latter spelling more often. In fact, the tag on Mi Yodeya site is Haggadah, also it's spelled that way in the publication proposal post.
hm weird. i guess there's a redirect for haggadah to passover-seder-hagada
@jin the redirect was probably because whoever created the tag preferred that spelling, and it got multiple uses, and later mods realized the other spelling was being used or was likely to be.
I've also seen hagodo, hagodoh, and haggodoh.
@jin not now, because I'm badly in need of some sleep, but perhaps tomorrow could we private chat?
@Derfder, we are not going to argue with you. You are at Mi Yodeya, where one of the axioms is that Judaism's teachings are important. You're doing the equivalent of going onto Islam and maligning their prophet or going to Math and saying that 2+2=5 or going to Stack Overflow and saying that technology is stupid and programmers should all become farmers. And you're doing it rudely. Please stop. You're allowed to disagree, but do it politely and respectfully please.
I don't agree with that, but I do agree with much else you have to say there. This is, however, not the correct venue.
For a start, it's not a question.
> "Nothing could be more idiotic and absurd than the doctrine of the trinity." Robert Green Ingersoll
I agree. So, I suspect, do many of the regulars here.
Focus.
In fact, quite a lot of those quotes are specific to Christianity.
Tell me, did you actually read that massive wall of text before pasting it here?
@SethJ First time I've got that badge, I think. And I never would have expected to get it on this site before I went on that proofeading spree. (Still not entirely sure why I did that, actually. I should have known that once I started I wouldn't be able to stop.)
> "Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beutiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?" - Douglas Adams
You do know the context for this quote, don't you? You're not merely parroting it because it sounds good (or because Dawkins chose to use it in The God Delusion)?
> What do you think about this anti-religion quotes?
That isn't actually an answerable question, is it?
I'm no lover of religion, and I think it as a general rule does more harm than good. I'm happy to make that clear in chat, and now and again it leaks into my actual questions on the site, but I do still try to ensure that questions are questions. They might contain a bit of frustration, but they're not pure rants, and there is actually a question in there to answer.
@TRiG Well, certainly there are people who swallow a lot of nonsense. But how does one quantify it? If someone believes every word of something you disbelieve entirely, is each word a new bit of nonsense?
@Ali, I believe you were asked to stop inviting people from here out of the blue to join Islam chat.
@Jin, Sorry about reporting that s.tk/miyodeya was down yesterday. It seems that the problem is localized to my office, which suffers from web filtering.
@SethJ I've been spreading the link around in various electronic ways. I've printed out one b&w copy at home for personal use so far. I'm sure I'll make more, probably at a copy store, possibly in color if I can do so at a reasonable price.
@SethJ ... I don't know about shipping speed, but it looks to me like color printouts can be had at much cheaper than copy stores charge at moxicopy.com
@Ali, I told you not to invite me into other sites' chat rooms after you did it to me in Islam twice. Just for the record, Christianity's chat room also counts as another site's chat room. Stop it.
@IsaacMoses we don't have a s./tk redirect for every site. it's only used for special stuff. I believe bicycles.se had a promotion thing a while back that's why the shortener was set up for it.
@Jin Just for kicks, can you confirm that s.tk/miyodeya works for you right now? It does not for me, where I am. Maybe I just have stale DNS references, or something.
@Ali "Ali has now been suspended from chat for a month. For repeated attempts to draw moderators from other sites into discussions without context and against repeated warnings not to."
@MonicaCellio Thanks. It's a shame that he's not learning his lesson, but it's a good thing that the network has ways of progressively and effectively responding.
@IsaacMoses indeed. I would prefer that he become a productive and respectful participant, but if he chooses not to do that, at least the network has ways to respond.
p. 2 I would hyphenate "question-and-answer." p. 6 #4 I'm not sure, but I don't think "questions" should be plural. p. 6 bottom "yetziah" p. 11 is a little confusing, because it's not clear how he jumped from 400 to 210.
If someone with Word and dropbox wants to review and address these and the one Seth found, that'd be nice.
@HodofHod If you can: Make corrections in Word. Save as PDF. Upload both to Dropbox. Post links to both here and report which correction messages you've addressed. Update the link on the Meta post to point to your new PDF.
@IsaacMoses indeed. I've had people (say, in the lunch room at work) apologize to me for the pork they're eating, and they seem surprised when I tell them it doesn't bother me at all -- for them to eat it.
@TRiG This may be related to the fact that we don't want everyone else to become Jewish. (To believe in God as we do and be good humans in accordance with how we believe He wants, yes, but to become Jewish and eschew bacon, no.)
@MonicaCellio Two possible reasons: 1) Not eating pig is one of the few things about our lifestyle that's very commonly known. 2) There may be another religion people are aware of with a similar restriction but a different attitude toward the object of it.
It depends what you mean by convert to Judaism. If you mean "accept the god of the Jews as God, do what he says you have to do, and believe in the core Jewish beliefs" (which sounds to me like a good description of a religion, so one can call it Judaism), then that's what people sometimes call No...
@TRiG I suppose. See e.g. Genesis 3:3: God had said not to eat from the tree, and Eve said "God hath said: Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it...'".
@msh210 In practise, inferring what Jews may or may not be concerned about doesn't seem to work at all. There is some rhyme and reason to it, but it's not at all obvious.
@TRiG Fair enough. Assuming that we wouldn't be offended by anything that wouldn't offend a reasonable person in the surrounding culture is probably a policy that will work. One thing we're likely to take more offense at than others, I suppose, is assuming that we're Christians, celebrate Christian holidays, or accept certain basic Christian ideas about divinity.
We welcome questions about Judaism. You will probably get many answers. They will probably conflict. Welcome to Judaism. :-)
A couple things you might want to watch out for:
Try not to call our bible the "old testament"; that's a Christian term. You can call it the Hebrew Bible or the Tanak...
@IsaacMoses I don't see the harm in having them temporarily pinned for easy location. The boldface "please promote" link is visible anyway (for me. For others?)
@SethJ Yeah. I first of the phenomenon from a relative of mine who's a teacher and tertiary-yeshiva advisor in a high school. One of her students/advisees/something texts in her sleep. She (the kid) sends a total of thousands of texts a day.
@SethJ Out of curiosity, did you pray in the middle of sleeping (just happened to say shacharis at 6 am before waking) or sleep in the middle of praying?
See this article by R' Gil Student. He seems to be very familiar with the relevant literature, and he "believe[s] (with perfect faith) that 600,000 men and their families left Egypt," but it's clear to him that if there's any archaeological evidence of the Exodus, it's not great or conclusive. In...
Last night I discovered that once upon a time I totally misread a question and gave an answer that just didn't fit the question that was being asked. I know, I know, how could that even happen? But I got a bunch of votes.
Part of me thinks that I should be self disciplined, earn that disciplined...
This question as inspired by the comments to my answer here. (See also my answer here.)
Is is proper, in the context of this site, to use Christian or other non-Jewish sources (for example, secular Biblical scholars) in answering questions, particularly exegetical questions?
On the one hand, th...
We welcome questions about Judaism. You will probably get many answers. They will probably conflict. Welcome to Judaism. :-)
A couple things you might want to watch out for:
Try not to call our bible the "old testament"; that's a Christian term. You can call it the Hebrew Bible or the Tanak...
