yea i was looking at the artscroll but it was really mamash a whole cholent there
because there are many girsas adn many rabbonim commented on each of their girsas contradicting the other girsas or something along the lines, and artscroll brings the different opinions from the girsas on the bottom, so you have to fend for yourself on which girsa you want to follow, although from what i learned regarding a certain topic in yarushalmi the artscroll went with the "right" girsa according to me
but then again who knows if they went straight throughout the gemoroh that wait or they picked and chose which pieces they wanted
I usually use this analogy... Marcus Jastrow was to semitic languages (especially Aramaic) as Sir Isaac Newton was to physics... Michael Sokoloff is as Albert Einstein.
We want to be able to crowd-source the editing of questions and answers for the haggadah supplement. We can't just take questions "as-is"; among things, links won't work on paper, there may be answers that are somewhat repetitive, and we probably don't want to bring in comments. But we don't wa...
Some of the work might involve effort that is not onsite or can't be done through meta posts. I don't know if/what this may entail. If you are interested in potentially putting in some time to help (and agree to let a mod email you at your registered email address for this purpose), then please v...
From the editor @kashrut.com:
Companies make products kosher that are easy to make kosher
main ingredient is gum base
http://www.ok.org/Content.asp?ID=167
http://www.kosherquest.org/book.php?id=CHEWING_GUM.htm
http://www.ou.org/kosher/daf/advanced/gum.html
To summarize from tho...
Three URLs in a blockquote. The last one isn't a link.
What @msh210 said. First person singular in the question is meant to be read as a narrative to make the question sound more imminent. I did not wrestle with this question at work this morning on a personal level. — Seth J51 secs ago
@msh210, @MonicaCellio or @DoubleAA, whichever one of you reviewed my most recent flag, I apologize; I totally missed which answer it was duplicating. I just saw it deleted and thought, "Well this doesn't do much as an answer, but it's useful information." I just didn't properly process the administrative note (I skimmed it and didn't really think about it).
Hey all (pinging @IsaacMoses, @DoubleAA, and @msh210 in particular since you've spoken up on meta): do we think it's practical to move to the "propose content" phase of the haggadah project by Sunday? I'm thinking that since many of us work or are in school, Sunday might be some people's best day of the week to work on this, so if we can use this Sunday that would be good. But I don't want to push if we're still not settled on style and mechanics. What do y'all think?
@MonicaCellio Yes. If we're going to get this done by Pesach, we need to maintain momentum. There doesn't seem to be much disagreement in the meta threads to date. I think we can trust ourselves to get the format and guidelines right enough by then to work with.
@IsaacMoses thanks for your comment there, by the way. I've had this post fermenting in the back of my head for a week, dithering between asking and not because it's, err, kind of personal and vulnerable and all, but in the end I opted for trying actually get an answer. :-)
@MonicaCellio Thanks. I'm certain that you're not the only person who's faced this issue. (Actually, as you note, Tanach records an instance of it being a mass problem.) So, it's an excellent question for us to host here, hopefully with answers. If we get good enough answers soon enough, it could be in the Nirtza section of our Hagada! (Were you thinking that?)
@HodofHod I guess that was the Chofetz Chaim's approach.
@IsaacMoses Why? As far as I know, he was really poor. I seem to remember stories of his wife running the store and him sitting and learning all day. (And then closing the store because of competition, starting to get fuzzy at this point)
@MonicaCellio Yes. If we're going to get this done by Pesach, we need to maintain momentum. There doesn't seem to be much disagreement in the meta threads to date. I think we can trust ourselves to get the format and guidelines right enough by then to work with.
@IsaacMoses Ah. In my mind the situation was that he was poor. He had no motivation to change that (as others might) since this world is only an antechamber, and this is what his statement means. I don't necessarily think he chose to be poor. (Open to corrections though)
Does the new site search have an OR operator, and I just can't figure out the syntax, or did they really leave that out?
@HodofHod @IsaacMoses I don't think it means he chose to be poor at all. It means he chose to live without excess consumption. For all we know (from that story) he may have been boarding riches beneath his floorboards^W dirt.
If we want to get this done by Pesach, we're a bit crunched on time, but I think it's still doable.
we need just to get the text content ready very soon. I'm going to pass the content you provide to a really talented freelance print designer I've been working with. I think she'll make it fantastic looking.
@Jin ooh! I hadn't imagined that we'd get that kind of help in such a short timeframe. Thanks! How much lead time would this person need for the content? Can we provide sample content early (to work out layout etc) and final content later? Assume we want thsi to be available for download/printing by at the latest early Mon March 25 but preferably Sunday the 24th. (First seder is Monday night.)
@Jin btw, please let Joel know that we'd love it if he wanted to contribute content for this.
@MonicaCellio well, if we treat this as a "thin book," I'd imagine we'd have a forward/intro section, about the site and its history. then table of content for the selected questions. then an end section with site URL, twitter account etc.
are you seeing this as a physical print out or a PDF to email friends and let them print out? this affects how it will be designed.
if it's a physical thing, then we're not bound by the standard A4/Letter paper size.
@Jin PDF that people can print out (at the last minute, this year :-) ). In the future, when we can spend more time on it, it'd be fabulous to have an actual physical book that we could distribute, but that seems ambitious for this year.
Also, no one will be using the online PDF during the seder (because we don't use electricity on holidays), so it has to end up as hard copy.
yeah I can just make the content box slightly smaller so it'd fit on any of the more popular sizes. I'm not too concerned now.
btw, how many questions do you think about having for this?
@MonicaCellio I just read it. I think it's fine. Though I prefer one question per sheet, so it's nice for formatting. Also, for design purpose I think it'd be great to have the same visual consistency in the PDF as on the site. Obviously we don't need voting arrows etc.
@Jin great question. Now it's time to find out how far off all our expectations are. :-) Personally I'm imagining that with the people who've volunteered to help so far, we'll end up being able to do 2-3 dozen. (So who's laughing at me and in which direction? :-) )
@MonicaCellio if it's just a straight copy and paste of then it's not too much effort. however, if you're thinking about adding additional Hebrew text it may take a bit longer.
Agree on style. We have to assume that people will print in black & white, so keep that in mind, but for those who do print in color, let's make it nice for them.
Yup, that's what I'm imagining too. And a place at the end for contributor credits. Think about where you want to put URLs for questions and users -- on the individual question page?
@Jin some of the content has Hebrew (which is already on the site). An experiment with Word 2010 last night suggested that that'll cut/paste just fine. So we need to support that, but we're (or at least I'm) not looking for a lot of new Hebrew text.
@MonicaCellio I don't think URLs for users is necessaryif URLs for questions is there. We canjust say (in the intro or something) "see the question URLs for lists of contributors". But IANAL.
@Jin, sounds good. If there is anything in my proposed template that we should change to make things easier for you, please speak up. I'm hoping to get people actually working on this by Sunday.
@msh210 I'd been thinking of a compromise there: a contriubors' list in the end with names and URLs, but only the question URLs on the individual question pages.
@Jin ok, thanks. I initially designed it so the HTML could be scraped, then Isaac pointed out that it can just be cut/pasted from the browser rendering. So either way...
@Jin Is it allowed to say in the beginning something like: all URLs are pages of mi.yodeya.com/q/ or mi.yodeya.com/users/ and then just list q ID numbers and user ID numbers on each page? That sounds neater IMO
yeah. we can have a footnotes section on the bottom each question page. displaying asker/answers' profile urls, and the question url itself on the site.
@MonicaCellio Are you sure 24th/25th is early enough for release? Many people are heads-down in Pesach prep at that point and far from the Internet. (OTOH, what's feasible is feasible.) I strongly suspect that working together, we can assemble sufficient content in a weekend.
@MonicaCellio I think a good goal would be one page per Seder element plus more for Magid, so 2 dozen seems about right.
Soon we will kick off the content-submission phase of this project, asking people to prepare questions and answers for publication. We'll make separate meta posts (for different sections) for the prepared questions; this post is to collect candidate links so that (a) we can get a head start and ...
Idolatry is a great abomination which G-d wants abolished or nullified, hence I want to know whether the believing people of the past took an action against it even if they were in the minority.
Are there examples, in Tanach or other traditional Jewish sources, of a prophet or his followers des...
@msh210 I think the ones remaining are in response to my comment at the top (that there aren't any examples for what he was then looking for) - which I've just deleted..
@msh210 Well, there are a lot of "what about this guy" comments that are uncharacteristic of the rest of our site. It might be more characteristic of the higher-traffic SE sites, not sure, but it seems weird to me.
@SethJ Any of them could be (in) an answer if written up. I suspect people aren't that interested in answering this question, is all -- possibly because they're worried the question will change substantially, possibly for another reason.
@msh210 I agree with the entirety of your comment. It's just not what I'm used to seeing here (and maybe it just stands out to me because I've seen the revisions and the other comments).
Soon we will kick off the content-submission phase of this project, asking people to prepare questions and answers for publication. We'll make separate meta posts (for different sections) for the prepared questions; this post is to collect candidate links so that (a) we can get a head start and ...
^^ > In shulchan orech: the answer http://judaism.stackexchange.com/a/16010 plus a question that more closely matches it than the one that it was penned as an answer to
@MonicaCellio Not sure if "why not" was rhetorical, but I'll answer it: The idea is that it's a Q&A hagada from the site, and, if someone goes to the URL, he won't find the Q we used.
There are several examples throughout Jewish literature and history. Two of the most famous are below.
One of the more famous incidents is actually not from the Torah, though it is about Avram as a young child. According to Jewish tradition, Abram's father Terah owned an idol shop, where he sol...
@msh210 but having now reviewed the question more closely, what's wrong with just using it straight? Remember that we aren't constraining ourselves for the haggadah by votes and check-marks.
You need a more precise translation.
Had God not taken us out of Egypt, then we, our children, and grandchildren would have been indebted to Pharaoh.
Hebrew me-she-ubad, as used regarding real estate on lien for paying potential debts.
Had things worked out for our release in other fashions, w...
@SethJ I worked that one up as an example (at @IsaacMoses's suggestion), so as soon as we have the posts for submissions up I'll move it over. Where, of course, you're welcome to edit it further. :-)
@msh210 Truth be told, I haven't listened to that file myself, but I'm pretty sure I heard him give a version of that talk in person a long, long time ago
Did any achronim write books comparing Arabic to Hebrew?
From the editor @kashrut.com:
Companies make products kosher that are easy to make kosher
main ingredient is gum base
http://www.ok.org/Content.asp?ID=167
http://www.kosherquest.org/book.php?id=CHEWING_GUM.htm
http://www.ou.org/kosher/daf/advanced/gum.html
To summarize from tho...
There are several examples throughout Jewish literature and history. Two of the most famous are below.
One of the more famous incidents is actually not from the Torah, though it is about Avram as a young child. According to Jewish tradition, Abram's father Terah owned an idol shop, where he sol...
