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At my suggestion, a friend (first-time user) was going to post a question, but his phone brought up the full site rather than the mobile one, and he found it too troublesome to navigate.
I just tried it from my own phone, too, and actually, I can't even bring up the mobile version; the link high...
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@DoubleAA Trying to be true to the proposal, but yeah.
@DoubleAA I can't do a line break, but I can try to simulate one ...
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@DoubleAA Can only do plain URLs. No hyperlinked other text
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@DoubleAA Eh. I don't use the chatroom description editor that often.
@IsaacMoses Sorry. It definitely looks cleaner than before. Possibly someone may come up with a cleaner phrasing, but for the most part I think now it's just a matter of getting used to.
@msh210 See he.wikipedia.org/wiki/… It's not a proof, but it's hard to find vowelized Hebrew words on the internets.
@IsaacMoses On the chat homepage you can only see two lines of the text, so it doesn't give you a good feel for the contents of the room. But that might just have to be the way it is. Unless you want to switch the quote and the description.
The word "goy", used in an English context, can mean:
"Gentile" - colloquially and innocuously
"Gentile" - as a disparaging slur
(It can also mean "Nation" generically and innocuously in a Hebrew context.)
Given that the disparaging usage is, in fact, found ("matzui") in the wild and is, in ...
How come the assignments of Bnei Kehos (at the end of our parshah) are separated from those of the other two families, and from the counts of all three (in Naso)?
@msh210 One's in this parshah, the rest are in next week's. IOW, the question isn't about the arrangement in the Torah, but about the division of the parshiyos.
I was wondering if "degel machane..." in the beginning of the parsha means that the camps actually had flags, or is it just a phrase used for "the encampment of...". And if they did have actual flags, do we know what tey look like?
@Alex Baruch tihye. It wasn't my favorite suggestion, but I thought people might like it.
@Alex Thanks. I wonder if the midrash is making drashas from the text, or if it is a tradition passed down what the flags looked like. I'll have to check it out.
@jake Come to think of it, Rashi doesn't say anything about emblems - if you take what he says at face value, each tribe might have had just a flag with a solid color. The Midrash there adds the idea that באתת means "with symbols."
If I can switch topics? 1:51 says v'hazar hakarev yumas, the stranger who approaches shall die. Rashi: bide Shamayim, at the hands of God. The Tosefes B'racha says Rashi had to tell us this (implying death) because usually yumas without the infinitive (i.e. not mos yumas) means a lesser punishment than death, as in v'gam b'alav yumas (in Mishpatim). Anyone know of another instance where yumas is used without the infinitive to mean death/non-death?
yeah, so it's curious he (Tosefes B'racha) said that instead of saying the obvious "Rashi said this because otherwise we'd think it means court-imposed death"
@msh210 Maybe he'd argue something like this: With Shabbos, and some of the other examples given, since elsewhere the Torah makes it clear (by saying מות יומת\ימות) that the death penalty is called for, then it can say just יומת in other places - whereas with a zar and the Mishkan, it always just says יומת.
But there'd still be the case of the false navi, unless you could say that the expression at the end of that verse ובערת הרע מקרבך makes it clear that it means that we are to execute him.
I'm wondering what's with all the repetition. First we get the names of the nsai'im, then we get the counts per tribe, then we get the assigned camp locations for each tribe repeating the nasi and the count... and the census descriptions themselves have a lot of repetition, when they could have just said the count and not all the 20+, for war, by their tribes, etc stuff. Why is the torah so verbose here?
I know of an explanation for the repition in Nasso, so each gift (and thus giver) gets full honor, but that doesn't seem to apply here?
It seems that the 3rd aliyah in Bamidbar needlessly repeats the information given in the 1st and second aliyah
First Aliyah: Lists the leaders of each tribe
Second Aliyah: gives us the census information for each tribe
Third Aliyah: Describes the order the Tribes camped in.
However, the third...
@jake I wonder if this is the beginning of the "it's gonna be 40 years, not just a few days" phase? But closer to Sh'lach L'cha would be better for that, I would think.
@jake Isn't the purpose of Vayikra basically to teach us the laws of kohanim, korbanos and kedushah? The census information doesn't really relate to any of that.
@MonicaCellio Possibly. The main reason for the census was probably the military, being thet they expected to enter Israel immediately. Then things changed...
@MonicaCellio Rashi someplace (will have to look for it) says that actually, Hashem had in mind the delay in the desert from right after the sin with the Golden Calf; He just bided His time until actually imposing the punishment.
@Alex Plausbile. Although I'm more partial to @MonicaCellio's suggestion. Something along the lines of "Those were all the mitzvos told to Moshe in te Ohel moed. Now back to the story at hand..."
@jake I heard that the plan at this time was still to enter Israel directly, and if you add the parts of Bamidbar until Shelach to Sefer Vayikra you get a book about the same size as Sefer Bereishit or Sefer Shemot
@DoubleAA Well, there is also the opinion that the first 10 chapters of Bamidbar are a book unto themselves, and ch. 11 begins a new book (with the two of them divided by Vayehi Binsoa, 10:35-36). So that would fit with that idea too.
@Alex Yes I thought of that but I don't know if it's necessarily related because the break isn't exactly where I'd want it to be. But it is pretty close.
@DoubleAA nor do I. There's just something that feels right about kedusha laws in one book, back to the travels in another ("back to the story", as @jake said).
But I don't know if I'm projecting a reasoning onto the division we were given or if I would have come up with that division starting from nothing...
@Alex You're assuming the land would be redistributed like it ends up in our Yehoshua. Since this is all hypothetical, it's not so crazy to think the split up in Israel would have been different.
@DoubleAA Not sure I'm following. What's the division of Eretz Yisrael have to do with the fact that they'd put the Mishkan in storage and build the BHMK?
Besides, at least some of the divisions were already implied or stated in Yaakov's blessings.
@MonicaCellio They started the day after Yom Kippur, and it was first set up at the end of Adar. Though there's a midrash that says that they actually finished the work by Chanukah.
Even if it didn't get much use, the Mishkan would still have been symbolic of a proper transfer from Har Sinai to Israel, so it doesn't bug me much if it didn't get too much use. Plus a lot of keilim were/could have been reused.
@MonicaCellio much-much lower bound. I'd assume it would take about the same amount of time it took Shlomo to build it. Possibly even longer, since they didn't have the resources and international connections that Shlomo had.
Yes, stonework is much harder/longer than building planks and sheetwalls. On the other hand, they wouldn't have had to remake the kelim, which helps a little.
And whether it would have been a few months or seven years, using the mishkan for such a "short" time wouldn't bother me either. On a much smaller scale we build a sukkah that we only use for a week... the absolute time isn't the important part.
@MonicaCellio Yes and no, about the kelim. They didn't have to remake the originals, true, but for example we find that Shlomo made ten extra menorahs and ten extra tables.
@MonicaCellio Huh? They still had the original menorah and shulchan, he just added extra ones (not as spares, but actually set up flanking the original ones).
@Alex yes, the question is: were these extras actually necessary, or were they embellishment? If we're trying to figure out how long to a functional temple, do we count that time? (Not knocking embellishment, to be clear...)
@MonicaCellio Got it. Well, in I Chron. 28:11ff David gives Shlomo all of the details of the structure and the vessels (including the extra menorahs and tables), and at the end (v. 19) he says that it is all "in writing from the hand of G-d."
@Alex Probably not deoraita. It's just saying this decision had the approval of God, lest we complain about David adding things (especially foreign molten forms in the mikdash!).
@DoubleAA Not necessarily deoraysa, true, but the Gemara does quote this verse in a few places to show that the blueprint was unalterable.
I have to go too. Thanks, y'all, as always, for a stimulating conversation, and a happy Shavuos to all - with wishes for "receiving the Torah with joy and inwardly," as the Chabad rebbeim used to say.
By the way, if anyone finds a source or sees anyone else say the idea I presented about the first part of Bamidbar 'originally' being in Vayikra please let me know, as I honestly have no recollection as to where I heard it from.
The Data Explorer URLs still use the old name of the site, "Jewish Life and Learning", instead of the new one, "Mi Yodeya". E.g., http://data.stackexchange.com/jewish%20life%20and%20learning/queries.
The word "goy", used in an English context, can mean:
"Gentile" - colloquially and innocuously
"Gentile" - as a disparaging slur
(It can also mean "Nation" generically and innocuously in a Hebrew context.)
Given that the disparaging usage is, in fact, found ("matzui") in the wild and is, in ...
It seems that the 3rd aliyah in Bamidbar needlessly repeats the information given in the 1st and second aliyah
First Aliyah: Lists the leaders of each tribe
Second Aliyah: gives us the census information for each tribe
Third Aliyah: Describes the order the Tribes camped in.
However, the third...
The Data Explorer URLs still use the old name of the site, "Jewish Life and Learning", instead of the new one, "Mi Yodeya". E.g., http://data.stackexchange.com/jewish%20life%20and%20learning/queries.
