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I noticed that for new users they cannot upvote answers until they reach a minimum of 15 reputation points. I certainly see the idea that non-trusted upvotes could degrade the quality of the site.... ...but on the other hand it prevents new users from recognizing good answers to their first (o...

Double AA

15:23

@DoubleAA diction? Is words not good enough? — Isaac Moses 1 min ago

@IsaacMoses I want to make a new category for "differences-between-two-words-with-similar-meanings" but that was long so i made this (diction = word choice) and was going to post in chat soon for ideas — Double AA ♦ 39 secs ago

apparent-synonyms? word-differences? connotations?

Isaac Moses

@DoubleAA I think that's a significant chunk of what words is. Why not just stick with that?

Scimonster

@DoubleAA #2. It's the clearest. But @IsaacMoses is right - what's wrong with just using words?

msh210

17:20

Wikipedia on diction (paragraph1):
>Diction, in its original, primary meaning, refers to the writer's or the speaker's distinctive vocabulary choices and style of expression in a poem or story. A secondary, common meaning of "diction" means the distinctiveness of speech, the art of speaking so that each word is clearly heard and understood to its fullest complexity and extremity, and concerns pronunciation and tone, rather than word choice and style. This secondary sense is more precisely and commonly expressed with the term enunciation, or with its synonym articulation.

In my own experience, it's used much more often with the second meaning ('enunciation') than with the first ('word choice'). Which would mean that using it as the tagname for 'word choice' is poor word choice. But maybe my experience is atypical.

^ @IsaacMoses @DoubleAA

@DoubleAA I approved it.

@DoubleAA True. We could even have it just text... Mi Yodeya Publications -- treats for your holidays... or something.

@MonicaCellio @IsaacMoses Yeah, I wasn't sure on what basis to close it if any, but figured I can cast the fifth vote as a nonmod and pick whatever reason I want, even if it doesn't apply. :-)

@Daniel re your comment: IMO clarifying in the question that the water will be drunk in one place would allow this to be reopened. (That's not the usual case for someone who drinks water all day: sedentary people tend to drink other things. :-)) IMO ideally, also edit into this question something about the question you're not asking, where it is on site, and how this one's different. — msh210 ♦ 15 secs ago

Isaac Moses

@msh210 My experience, too.

msh210

17:38

@Scimonster I'd rather not. (That's my own preference, not my plan for implementation. If the Bam folks want it then I'll implement it.)

msh210

17:51

Any thoughts on this? :

We should probably not have 22×22 of these questions. Maybe it should be closed as a duplicate of the one @DoubleAA has linked to. — msh210 ♦ 4 hours ago

I mean, the question technically is not a duplicate, but I really don't want to see 500 such questions. (Rounding up. :-))

Isaac Moses

18:12

@msh210 if it's a strict subset of the other question, then it is technically a duplicate

msh210

@TheOne poelgroup.com

@IsaacMoses Hm, I guess so. And you say it's a strict subset?

Isaac Moses

18:24

@msh210 I think that if we add/edit an answer with a clear link to ateret4u.com/online/f_00720_all.html , then it's fair to consider any request for a name that's handled by that list to be answered there.

I've made the edit and the close vote.

Double AA

18:40

@IsaacMoses That's only my position meta.judaism.stackexchange.com/a/3508/759

@IsaacMoses How does changing the answer(s) affect duplicity?

Isaac Moses

@DoubleAA Without getting into careful parsing of my chat message here, I believe that this duping is consistent with my position there.

@DoubleAA Technically, the community isn't able to dupe to a question that's not answered. That question is answered, so duping to it is technically fine. Now that it has a link to a complete online list, it's really answered, and so duping to it is also, as I suggested, fair. (I'm admittedly kvetching a little bit because I agree with @msh210 that avoiding the potential for ~500 similar questions is a good outcome.)

Noach mi Frankfurt

21:51

@DoubleAA, @msh210, @MonicaCellio, Would a glossary of Jewish names from Yiddish, Ladino, Judæo-Arabic, et c. be on topic for either a meta- or J.SE question?

Isaac Moses

@MonicaCellio, could you please give each of the three feeds in here a different bot-user? I'm pretty sure that at least one of them, and maybe all, will catch each MY entry on the HNQ, and I want to see which gets them first. I don't think I have the ability to create bots.

Monica Cellio

@IsaacMoses done. If distinctive names (beyond their current numbers) would help, just tell me what you want.

Isaac Moses

@MonicaCellio Numbers are just fine. Thanks very much.

Monica Cellio

@NoachmiFrankfurt hmm, that sounds more like a question "about Jews", if you mean something like "what names have Jews used?", but maybe you mean something else?

@IsaacMoses you're welcome. Mystery: I created them in order down the page, but the users were assigned out of numeric order. Weird.

Isaac Moses

@MonicaCellio (In case anyone's interested: These feeds use the nifty tools at createfeed.fivefilters.org . One finds "judaism" entries in the top 50 HNQ page, one finds them in the bottom 10 page, and one finds them in the top 30 RSS feed. I don't know which of these a given HNQ entry will show up on first, or if that's invariant.)

Monica Cellio

22:04

@IsaacMoses interesting. Since 100 questions are hot at any given time, is there no way to get all 100 (perhaps in two batches of 50 like on the on-site page)?

Isaac Moses

@MonicaCellio The way the URLs are structured, from what I can tell, you can either get pagesize=50, defaulting to first page, which gives you the top 50, or page=#, defaulting to 30 per page, which gives you 1-30, 31-60, 61-90, or 91-100. AFAICT, you can't specify pagesize and page number in the same URL, but you can specify them one after the other in the same browser session, which doesn't help me. ...

... I tried using FiveFilters' merge feature to merge page-based feeds for pages 1, 2, 3, and 4, which seemed to work, but the resulting URL was way too long for the chat bot to accept it.

... so it'd take 3 feeds to cover all of the HNQ simultaneously and 4 to do it with no overlaps.

I'm hoping that at least one of the three feeds in test now reliably picks up our entries sufficiently quickly by itself.

Monica Cellio

@IsaacMoses whoops. I was about to ask if they could be merged.

Isaac Moses

@MonicaCellio I could probably use some other service that merges them into its own, smaller RSS URL, but stacking services like that would certainly introduce complication and probably introduce delay.

Monica Cellio

Sounds like this turned out to be a bigger project than you expected. But it'll be nice to have in here once it's ready.

@IsaacMoses I wouldn't make that complexity trade-off either. If it takes multiple feeds, meh, it takes multiple feeds. There shouldn't be more than a few questions a day anyway.

Noach mi Frankfurt

@MonicaCellio I'm picturing something like the glossary with various common terms. An example entry would look something like "Feivel (פײַוול)- A Yiddish calque for Shraga" or "Leib (לייב)- Yiddish for lion, from German löwe, calque for Yehudah or Aryeh"

Isaac Moses

22:16

@MonicaCellio If we get a method that works well, I'll publish it to Meta Stack Exchange.

Monica Cellio

@IsaacMoses yes, I suspect other sites would be interested in this too.

@NoachmiFrankfurt how do you see it being used? The glossary, for example, provides definitions that can be linked from posts on main. (I'm not objecting; I'm just trying to understand the goal.)

Noach mi Frankfurt

@MonicaCellio I figure it would be a useful resource, one which I am more than willing to start, due to the preponderance of references to individuals with particularly odd names (and the utility for those looking to find Yiddish names, for whatever purpose)

Monica Cellio

22:33

@NoachmiFrankfurt I don't see a problem doing it on meta if you think it'll be useful. I speak only for myself and am curious about what other feedback you get.

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